[9/11] A short message to my cousins across the pond.
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I'm not insulting, I'm stating fact. You've come out on the internet, to mindlessly and shamelessly troll and trample the emotions of people who are grieving. Grieving for lost loved ones, failed attempts to intervene, or possibly because the loss of life was so stunning. Therefor, you are an immature, ignorant, nihilistic brat.Versuvius said:
Now if you care to respond at all to either of the two videos I posted, as a summation of you're viewpoints, I'd be happy to debate you. However, if you have nothing substantive to add, other then issuing callous remarks to grieving citizens of a country, then I would suggest you perhaps do so at O'Leary's Pub, on 121st and Broadway, NY, NY, tomorrow, at 11:00AM sharp. That's where I, and several other fire fighters, police officers, first responders, and soccer hooligans will be gathering to share our grief and remember our good times, by knocking back a few pints. That is if you're not otherwise engaged.
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Thank you for expressing your freedom.
remembrance day commemorates the end of WW1; "the war to end all wars". remembrance day is more symbolic to remember all those who died in service not a specific event.Derek_the_Dodo said:
9/11 is an example of the frenzy in which the media can infuse and the very spiritual side of the U.S. All this faffing around is stupid, if you want to "pay respects" then it a personal thing not something everyone has the endure.
Thank you my British comrade. It's nice to know not everyone outside of America is insensitive when it comes to discussing 9/11 on here.
Ah balls got my history slightly wrong, was never great at it, so thanks for the correction.mad825 said:
And yeah, I knew its a day to remember everyone who has died in service, I just got which war it was wrong.
Due to time constraints of it being 3am i will keep this final bit short.Bradeck said:
Trolling implies i do something for a reaction, not true, couldn't care less either way but as is with anything not everyone can agree on the same thing or be as emotionally hung up for faceless people in an event that happened thousands of miles away in retaliation to an occupying force. Trampling on emotions? After ten years if it's still a major factor in your life a serious reorganisation of priorities is a must. But what i think is pointles so i will bid you adieu to wallow in your grief for another decade, maybe by then someone will have thought about side-lining it for the here and now.
No, but the relatives of the dead do get rather pissed off when you tell them to get over it. Why? If you don't want to remember and you wanna move on, fine go ahead. But you really shouldn't be ruining this day for those of us who want to honor the dead.Versuvius said:
After 9/11 first occurred, The American National Anthem was played at Buckingham Palace in Britain. One person described it as such, "If nations are people and anthems are their lullabies, then here was Mother England singing to her grieving American child."
Personally, I think there couldn't be an analogy more apt.
To my British brothers, thank you for everything you've done for us over the many years. We've had our differences, but my respect for you will know no bounds.
And to Versuvius, while your unfortunate disregard for human life or the emotions of others disheartens me (indeed, your statements are a shining example of the Monkeysphere), I wish you the best in your future endeavors.
Personally, I think there couldn't be an analogy more apt.
To my British brothers, thank you for everything you've done for us over the many years. We've had our differences, but my respect for you will know no bounds.
And to Versuvius, while your unfortunate disregard for human life or the emotions of others disheartens me (indeed, your statements are a shining example of the Monkeysphere), I wish you the best in your future endeavors.
I thank ye, old brother to our East.
If not for you, where would we have spawned? Your starting ideals of democracy by your philosophers opened gateways for our establishment. Your settlers who came forth who, in turn, have produced the offspring of future generations that run through many a strong American's bloodstream.
As previously mentioned, we are brothers, with our youthful tussles, and beginning disagreements that eventually turned into an established brotherhood of friendship and aid. As I raise my corporately mass-manufactured drink to you, my brother, I thank you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwrX-LN9-L0
If not for you, where would we have spawned? Your starting ideals of democracy by your philosophers opened gateways for our establishment. Your settlers who came forth who, in turn, have produced the offspring of future generations that run through many a strong American's bloodstream.
As previously mentioned, we are brothers, with our youthful tussles, and beginning disagreements that eventually turned into an established brotherhood of friendship and aid. As I raise my corporately mass-manufactured drink to you, my brother, I thank you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwrX-LN9-L0
To Arbi Trax, thank you for saying that. It does a person good to hear someone from the UK who doesn't generalize and assume that we aren't all Yosemite Sam crossed with Toby Keith. To Bradeck, if what you say is true, then thank you for your service and your strong feeling of respect for the victims.
To Versuvius, you do have a right to your opinion, and I'm glad you do. Believe me, the bullheadedness with which the media puts 9/11 across is be exasperating to almost everyone else, but we put up with it out of respect for the dead. I think this can be blown somewhat out of proportion sometimes, and I think the grieving should be more personal. I can't speak for every American, but I think most of us would be sensitive enough to grieve for the UK over any terrorism attack. From the evidence that was uncovered from Osama's compound in Abottabad, then something could happen anywhere at any time, something we should have known in 2001.
I realize, for whatever reason you may have, that you are clearly very bitter about a day of mourning for us. I expect the expression of it to decline as time goes on, but my explanation for how long the commemoration has gone on is that we hold grudges longer than others. That's really my only way to explain it, because it sort of surprises me too. If you're being angry at the majority of the population who don't have a deceased loved one from the accident, or who didn't die in service fighting for those who do, then I can at least see where you're coming from, although not commend the strength with which you worded your post. I'm also somewhat surprised with how a simple letter of condolences turned into a debate over how much the actions of an extremist group have been overblown.
If you wish to express your opinion, then please do, partially because it's what forums are for and partially because its what separates people like you and me from the more backward nations and ideals. Bottom line, I think there's a rule that anyone on an internet forum should follow, and that is "If you don't have anything respectful to say, then don't say anything at all." Do they teach that in your schools?
To Versuvius, you do have a right to your opinion, and I'm glad you do. Believe me, the bullheadedness with which the media puts 9/11 across is be exasperating to almost everyone else, but we put up with it out of respect for the dead. I think this can be blown somewhat out of proportion sometimes, and I think the grieving should be more personal. I can't speak for every American, but I think most of us would be sensitive enough to grieve for the UK over any terrorism attack. From the evidence that was uncovered from Osama's compound in Abottabad, then something could happen anywhere at any time, something we should have known in 2001.
I realize, for whatever reason you may have, that you are clearly very bitter about a day of mourning for us. I expect the expression of it to decline as time goes on, but my explanation for how long the commemoration has gone on is that we hold grudges longer than others. That's really my only way to explain it, because it sort of surprises me too. If you're being angry at the majority of the population who don't have a deceased loved one from the accident, or who didn't die in service fighting for those who do, then I can at least see where you're coming from, although not commend the strength with which you worded your post. I'm also somewhat surprised with how a simple letter of condolences turned into a debate over how much the actions of an extremist group have been overblown.
If you wish to express your opinion, then please do, partially because it's what forums are for and partially because its what separates people like you and me from the more backward nations and ideals. Bottom line, I think there's a rule that anyone on an internet forum should follow, and that is "If you don't have anything respectful to say, then don't say anything at all." Do they teach that in your schools?
Thanks OP, although I personally wasn't affected and nobody I knew was it is really great to know that other people see the significance of the cost of human lives. As for American determination, we are willing to go to any lengths to right any wrong commited by anyone not native born TO someone native born. When it comes to the wrongs done BY Americans though... Yeah not so much. The entire Republican party for example.
Flame me, i dare you.
Flame me, i dare you.
Cheers my brother. May we all come closer to a world of love, peace,and understanding,
I must tip my hat to the UK. In spite of your bloody history, your were the guys that helped made us into what we are. We have done some really messed up things, but I hope that we can learn from our failures and truly help make a world God wants. A world of love between his kids. We all make the world so let's make it good until Jesus comes back. To people who don't have faith in God and think I'm an idiot, crazy, or anything else. Roll your eyes, and just read my post as a crazy man wanting love and peace.
I must tip my hat to the UK. In spite of your bloody history, your were the guys that helped made us into what we are. We have done some really messed up things, but I hope that we can learn from our failures and truly help make a world God wants. A world of love between his kids. We all make the world so let's make it good until Jesus comes back. To people who don't have faith in God and think I'm an idiot, crazy, or anything else. Roll your eyes, and just read my post as a crazy man wanting love and peace.
There are two things wrong with your statement.Versuvius said:
1. That is what will happen here.... after we're 70 years removed from it.
2. The Blitz happened during a time of open warfare.
Those are two vastly important things. Your hatred of the US for whatever reasons you have cloud your opinions and make you bitter and resentful. You are being no better than the Americans you supposedly hate.
I think of 9/11 and it saddens me to my core that many people died in a instant and so close to home. One of the worst outcomes of it was the death that came after, Bin Ladin wasn't good but he didn't deserve death no one does. Although that concept and viewpoint could be thought as childish (the idea of no one dying) by some I stand by it because it's what I believe and hope others to understand and possibly even the world to accomplish someday.
If you don't mind me saying, I'm a little vexed about the continual 9/11 fixation...to the point where if you walk into an area with lockers, you won't find one labeled 9-1-1. It's nothing personal to those who ARE bothered, but it's psychologically unhealthy to keep this at the same fervor. I...think this is something that should be kept to our own private thoughts now, instead of dredging it up again. It was a harsh time, and our response to it was not our finest hour. Let's allow the dead to rest in peace
*raises mug of milk*
heres to the preservation of righteous works upon this earth. heres to a better future.
well said friend. Godspeed.
heres to the preservation of righteous works upon this earth. heres to a better future.
well said friend. Godspeed.
As an American, I want to, as many have before me, thank you for your sentiments. They do mean quite a bit.Arbi Trax said:
The last ten years have been taxing on everyone. You may not agree with the things we do and we may not agree with yours, but in the end, we are, in a very literal sense, family. There are no other countries in the world that can claim to have the type of relationship the US and UK have. We may fight like siblings and throw the occasional punch, but in the end, the US will back up the UK and vice versa.
Your sentiments simply reaffirm that and make it justifiable and worth it to do so. We Americans are not as oblivious to the rest of the world as it would like to think. We know the 7/7 Attacks happened and can sympathize in a unique way. The only reason 9/11 is made such a bigger deal is because it was on a larger scale. That's not to say that 7/7 was any better or worse, just smaller.
So I thank you for myself and for the hundreds and thousands of Americans like myself who will not read that post. Thank you.
I thank you very much for your kind words, OT. It's a refreshing and heartening experience to see such understanding and respect nowadays, especially on the internet.
And to those who are accusing the US of overeacting;
I can see your point. To people from other countries, it must seem like any other attack. And I can understand it must be annoying having to deal with whatever personal issues our rememberance brings up.
But keep in mind that many innocent civilians died in 9/11. Men and women who were just living out their daily lives were killed because an enemy was too cowardly and weak to declare open war on us.
Those victims left behind friends and family who still bear their loss to this day.
9/11 isn't about politics. It's not about war. It's about remembering the lives that were lost, and looking toward the future with the hope that, someday, tragedies like this will stop.
If you don't believe that this is worth the publicity, then that's fine. But please, be respectful to the dead, and the people they left behind.
And to those who are accusing the US of overeacting;
I can see your point. To people from other countries, it must seem like any other attack. And I can understand it must be annoying having to deal with whatever personal issues our rememberance brings up.
But keep in mind that many innocent civilians died in 9/11. Men and women who were just living out their daily lives were killed because an enemy was too cowardly and weak to declare open war on us.
Those victims left behind friends and family who still bear their loss to this day.
9/11 isn't about politics. It's not about war. It's about remembering the lives that were lost, and looking toward the future with the hope that, someday, tragedies like this will stop.
If you don't believe that this is worth the publicity, then that's fine. But please, be respectful to the dead, and the people they left behind.
Thanks for the support good sir. Nice to hear from someone elsewhere throwing some support behind people. While I do hold the view that people don't seem to realize this whole 9/11 nonsense is overused and overdone and exploited by many people and government.
However, again, the support is always good, and while I think we should forget for our own sake, it is good to treat it as history is treated. A lesson to be learned so it is not repeated.
However, again, the support is always good, and while I think we should forget for our own sake, it is good to treat it as history is treated. A lesson to be learned so it is not repeated.