A challenge to the Console exclusives

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JohnZ117

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I have both p.c. and Xbox(es) for gaming. I would have the other current-gen consoles if my budget allowed that. So, any debate on which is the superior annoys me. All have their strengths (p.c. has options, consoles have reliability, f.e.) and their weaknesses. And, this debate can get ridiculously heated.

So, in the desire for cooler heads here, I issue this challenge to those who game exclusively on the Xbox 1(or earlier), PS 4(or prior), and/or Wii U(you get the point with this, right?): List what sucks about your chosen platform.
 

Casual Shinji

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- The PS4 only has a 500gig hard drive (technically about 400), which wouldn't be a big deal if the games didn't completely install and weren't 30 to 50 gigs in size, or if you could hook on an external hard drive. Unfortunately...

- The Wii-U has bupkis to play on it if you're not a fan of racing, party, or Platinum games.
 

Elfgore

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What sucks about the PS4!

1. I swear the wifi chip in there is literally a potato chip. One that get's moldy and stale very quickly. AKA, the wifi sucks ass in this thing.

2. The person who decided how downloading works is an idiot. Instead of just letting us download an entire game at once, we get to download a demo first and then have the rest of it piecemealed to us.

3. No one asked for the touchpad. I bet no one likes the touchpad. The fact I can't turn it off on GTA V and Far Cry 4 forgets about it every time I reboot the game up is enough to make me bash my head against a wall.

4. Rest mode is shoved down your throat. It's the largest and first option when you go to shut your machine down. While actually shutting your PS4 down is buried deep within.

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5. How could I forget the memory problem. A total of like seven games will fill your hard drive, especially if you bought it digitally. I love playing the memory game./s
 

Casual Shinji

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Elfgore said:
No one asked for the touchpad. I bet no one likes the touchpad. The fact I can't turn it off on GTA V and Far Cry 4 forgets about it every time I reboot the game up is enough to make me bash my head against a wall.
I like the touchpad. It's the one thing I expected to hate, but I haven't come across any game yet that has hamfisted the feature in anyway. GTA5 even has really handy way of using it to chuck grenades while aiming a weapon. And when the touchpad feature isn't used (which is with most games) it functions as a nice big button for your item screen or map.
 

CaitSeith

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Wii U. The internal hard drive is way too small 32GBs I think. You can connect an external one of up to 1TB, but make sure it has it's own power source or a Y USB cable.
 

Evonisia

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I have both console and PC, but I don't really do anything PC-wise, though I'm sure that'll change in the years to come. I find the arguments really tiresome and largely condescending, especially on this site.

Anywho: Xbox One

The Xbox One's hard drive is pitifully small considering how much space games take up these days (that may be a problem with the games themselves, but the One having a small hard drive won't make them fix that issue).

Downloading things takes way too long and it's highly inconsistent in speed regardless. Installing, however, is fine (if a tad annoying).

The interface is a nightmare. It's not suited to the controller or the Kinect, it's designed for a phone like Windows 8 before it.

The interaction between the 360 and the One user-wise is quite poor, and I imagine that will be a hassle when the 360 games are ported to the One what with the 360's interface coming with it.

Wii U

Again, tiny hard drive (noticeably even compared to the One/PS4). Its keeps prices down, but it's a big ask to make customers go out and buy external ones for themselves.

The Wii U controller is fine. I know that's a rare opinion, but it's not suited to shooter gameplay very well. The limited movement allowed by it is more suited to the likes of ZombiU than it is Black Ops II. That's the major reason I'm not really going out of my way to buy Splatoon.

Overly reliant on exclusives, which does not ensure longevity in the console.

Backwards compatibility involves purchasing a Wii Mote for yourself. I already owned a Wii so I'm lucky, but damn the One/360/PS2 never asked this. It's also not BC with the Gamecube even though it apparently could be like the Wii was until 2011.
 

09philj

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Why limit to those consoles? Let's get them all! Although I really like my consoles...

XBox 360 (Slim 4GB version): By the time the slim version had been released most of the problems with the 360 had been ironed out, and the 4GB internal memory can be expanded with any kind of cheap USB stick so that's a none issue. My only real gripe is that sometimes downloads of games fail to complete properly. It's game library lacks RPGs, but that's what my 2DS is for.

2DS: Er... the d-pad isn't great (although most 3DS games don't use it anyway.) Dust collects on the screen easily, but I have a soft cloth for that. It's also too big to fit in a pocket, but I never wish I had it when out. It's not hugely powerful, but all the games I have look good and run well anyway.
 

Chaos Isaac

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PC: Hah. Good luck not having games crash for like, no reason whatsoever. Or, even better, 2/5 of your friends games crash when trying to play together for like no reason whatsoever. Also when hardware fails for like, no reason whatsoever. Or thing suddenly become incompatible.

PS4: Downloading. It's just... pretty bad. There's also not enough space, and data management kinda sucks the fucking root. Maybe I just haven't found a way to delete DLC and game data separately, but so far, I don't think I can. Which is unfortunate as the 360 could, but didn't require space management of installing everything.

Xbox One: The interface is a mess. Putting in my password like six to nine times doing simple things is obnoxious, still bullshit ads. The interface again. Yes it counts as two.

WiiU: Easily the worst. Little game support, such a painfully slow startup, Amiibos, a unconventional and not really that useful controller, and a too short life span. Apparently.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
- The PS4 only has a 500gig hard drive (technically about 400), which wouldn't be a big deal if the games didn't completely install and weren't 30 to 50 gigs in size, or if you could hook on an external hard drive. Unfortunately...
And if 2TB wasn't the limit for drives that fit. I mean, technically, you can rig something up, but it's bull that they designed with mandatory installs and a HDD cap like this.
 

Neurotic Void Melody

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Yeah PS4 HDD has far too little memory. For all the digital crap they keep trying to push, it is like an art form trying to reconfigure space for what is most used. Also, I do not know if it just me but more often than not, it believes I do not have enough memory to download updates. But I bloody well do! I go through moments of deleting 40gig worth of data i'd rather keep just for it to tell me the same thing (usually with the exact same amount of memory required to delete each notice). It only downloads when it decides it is bored enough.

Marketplace is a bit temperamental, often not accepting that I want to give them gold for their goods or plain forgetting that the goods are even there. 5-6 menu options for one purchase, though that may be to deter drunk impulse buyers.

A strange little detail I have noticed with the Ps store is that the artwork for "kiddies" games are altered to show a moody, mature (or what i'm guessing they hope looks mature) accompanying picture. Pointless, vaguely humourous at best.

They are demo-phobic. Demos for their digital games are like venus gypsy gold tear-dust.
Lastly that nagging feeling that you will never truly own the games they give you monthly. It is only long term rental.

Oh cripes, I forgot the silliest of them all: it does not even play cd's!! A 400£ blue-ray entertainment system that doesn't play cd's? I...just...why? Don't they have to program that out of the hardware? I know nothing of these details.
 

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PS3: I can't chat with my friends unless the game we are both playing supports chat. Was never a big deal to me until we both got PS4s and now we can talk all the time. Also, they pulled out the backward compatibility.

PS4: Uh...give me a second...Okay, so again, no backward compatibility and...hm...I guess the game library is a little small at the moment? But it's getting bigger and I still have a backlog of PS3 stuff while it grows, so does that count?
 

Hairless Mammoth

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Well for platforms that are still getting regular releases, I have a Wii U, 360, PS3, 3DS, and 7 year old PC (runs Skyrim, so it works for me). Also, I haven't used Xbox live in 4 years and never play online on PSN anymore. There's your warning if I display an bias or forget something.

PCs do have the reliability issues. Compatibility between different hardware configs has gotten better, but the are still problems that pop up. Some games don't have proper controller support (when the game could easily work on a gamepad), some games don't let you remap keys/ gamepad buttons. Reselling games is now unheard of in the PC world (and it took years for Steam to make a real refund policy to match the competition). Oh, and you might need multiple accounts (which is more to watch for ID theft) if you want games from different distribution services. Also, some publishers still think DRM that hampers (or even harms) our computers and gameplay is necessary.

Wii U has some big negatives. Third party games is the big one. The difference in architecture between the Wii U and PS4/Xbone/PC also means ports among the Wii U and anything else are extremely rare. The Wii U is for Nintendo games and maybe the ultra rare non-Nintendo game, if you can find a worthwhile title.

The touchscreen gamepad is both a plus and a minus. It offers more flexibility in game design, but it means more thought has to go into games. It's another under-utilized piece of hardware that adds to the cost of ownership.

I got a Wii U right when it seemed to be picking speed, last November. Now it seems like Nintendo is giving up on it early. Whether that's true or not remains to be seen, but Nintendo has been quiet, even more than usual for them, when it comes to Wii U.

The built in flash drive size is poor, even by 2012 standards. They could have made it 64GB and 32GB, or even 32 and 16, but they had to go with another cost cutting measure. 32GB is straining it for a full Wii U game download, and 8 GB is laughable. The limited size might be why they've hesitated to put any other GC/Wii games on the eshop. I don't feel like adding an external drive onto my system, especially when I bought the "deluxe" set.

360 Early in its life, the 360 had way too many proprietary overpriced accessories. Memory cards in the USB flash drive age, charging cables with a custom plug on one end, hard drives, $100 Wifi adapters. Its slogan should've been "I'll nickle and dime your ass." Live also continued to collect money (even require Gold accounts for features that were free on Sony and Nintendo's systems *cough*Netflix*cough*). They even brought Sony in on the fun with the PS4.

They at least phased out the mem cards, included 4 gigs of built-in flash memory in later revisions and included Wifi in the Slim. There is also a way to get certain models of bare (i.e. cheaper) HDDs to work in an empty 360/360s HDD caddy.

I'm also one of those weirdos who liked the original blade UI over all of the revisions MS has done over the years.

Though, this doesn't affect me, but now some games require installs. I got the original 20GB HDD. I doubt I'd have enough room for more than one game even if I did get rid of old stuff. Some also might not like multi-disc games. Those remind me of the PS1 and 90s PC days.

The RRoD also says "hello."

PS3 The PS Store is getting slower and slower on PS3. The mandatory installs on some earlier games were slowwwww. The Blu-ray drive cut out multi-disc games, but its read speed means either slow loading or required installs on some games. The PS3 also didn't have much to play for the first couple years. I can't think of any more points right now, but don't let this short list make you think I favor the PS3 over the 360.

Consoles in general have become more like PCs since the start of the last generation. I've already said some 360 now need a HDD some people might not even have, meaning it's the PC philosophy of "upgrade or don't play." Every system now asks to update. Mandatory installs are on the two big boys. The uninformed don't know why they need 32GB, 500GB, or 1TB, or what those even mean. Before it blew up in their face, one console maker even tried to put in the always online DRM from the PC, the type of DRM that hurts paying customers the most, PC players already voiced their hate for and has been avoided by most PC publishers after it proved to be a sham. Put a disc/cart in and play is becoming a thing of the past. (I know the PS4 has that install as you play feature.)

The power of this console generation is also weak. Games aren't meeting or are making sacrifices to meet the 1080p and 60fps buzzwords the industry was throwing out. Who knows if it will last for more than five years. The leaps in graphical difference are also getting smaller. It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to extend the next generation by making the consoles with upgradable modules, kind of like the N64 memory expansion. Someone might even try to make a streaming only box/service (which scares me a lot) and see if the market is ready for it.
 

Kotaro

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PC: Manually tweaking graphics settings and checking for performance problems over and over, trying to find the ideal setup, is monotonous and frustrating.

Wii U: The tablet controller's battery life is painfully short, making marathon game sessions difficult.

PS3: There is no option to sort downloaded games manually on the XMB, which makes it a chore to find a particular game in the mess if you have a lot of them (and I do). This is especially bewildering as alphabetical sorting--which apparently Sony doesn't believe exists--is a basic feature in pretty much everything.

3DS: The 3D is headache-inducing, so it's almost always better to just turn it off. This means you're ignoring one of the system's biggest features, and the one for which it's named.

Vita: Not much variety in the games library. It's pretty much just JRPGs and other niche Japanese games, and indie ports. As much as I like all these things, more diversity in the games would be appreciated.
 

mysecondlife

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PS4: Backward compatibility for PS2 games for christ's sake. and I'm not even christian! All its doing is making me regret buying a PS3. Also they should stop shafting people who bought physical copies. Find a way to reward those who bought new games instead of used.

3DS: Reduce the price for games that are more than a year old
 

Shoggoth2588

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The Wii U has no integrated trophy/achievement system (which is a tiny, little complaint). The Wii U also has 3rd party support that the Gamecube would make fun of. Then there's the virtual console which is three separate entities (3DS, Wii & Wii U) where it should be one collective. A larger hard drive (another issue) might help with the VC issue. One more thing about the VC; one release per week? That's lame...

The main reason I haven't upgraded to the PS4 is because most of the games I want to play on it are on previous gen consoles (Wolfenstein: TNO, Thief, Dragon Age 3, Far Cry 4, GTAV (currently playing on PS3), Tomb Raider, J Star Victory VS, Shadow of Mordor, Metro 2033/Last Light...). I'm very VERY close to the point where I'm ready to get one but I'm just not there quite yet. Maybe for black Friday but I just know that once I get my PS4, my other issue will be addressed when they launch a 1 or 4 or 8TB version of the console.