A conundrum to drum. No-one under 18.

[hooksashands]

I want you to try a mental exercise. Imagine this girl naked. Now imagine her leading you into a bathroom. "We can do it," she promises, "but first I need to take care of something." Now imagine her sitting down and proceeding to take the smelliest, loudest, longest dump ever. Just an hour of her grunting and shitting.

You're welcome.

 

[Xaio30]

Last time that happened to me, she turned out to be a psycho.
I decided to back away from our (very early stage) relationship and she decided to make my life a living hell.

I wish you good luck whatever path your choose.

 

[warprincenataku]

Listen, you're young, these things you have to learn on your own. Personally, if I were you I'd have fun with her, don't things too serious and see where it goes. If it implodes then fine, if it goes on long-term, then deal with it once it reaches that status.

On a related note, I have seen good students get pulled down by the friends they keep and especially a girlfriend or boyfriend who is an 'underachiever'. So just be wary of that and you'll be fine.

 

[Buzz Killington_v1legacy]

In this thread: some good advice, but a large proportion of people saying "Hey, go ahead and stick your hand into the box marked ACTIVE BEAR TRAP INSIDE...it might not even go off. Go for it!".

 

[Gunner 51]

I say "hit it." You're only young once, now's the time for a dangerous relationship. I missed that boat when I was your age, OP and have since regretted it.

 

[senorfatso]

I don't see how any level of forum preaching is going to convince your penis not to.

OT, I can't see what the dire consequences are. Are you afraid that it will affect your studies? Piss off your parents? I'd get a head start before uni if I was you, you can still get good grades whilst rowing, drinking and shagging.

 

[ultimateownage]

You're under 18 and you wrote it. So seeing as you've essentially broken your own rule instantly, I went ahead and read it anyway.

Long story short: Don't do it you idiot. Just have a wank and then don't see her again.

 

[sam42ification]

Why is no one under 18 allowed to read this??? I'm under 18 and can understand the trouble you are having. Your situation reminds me of a new sitcom (i think it's new. It's new in Australia) called Raising Hope. Raising Hope is about a kid (well i think he is about 18 or 19) who is driving to the store one night and finds a women who running for her life. He invites her into his van and drives her away from the trouble. She then thanks him by having sex with him. He brings her home to meet the family. They're all watching the news and a report goes out on the news about a murderess girl who has sex with guys then kill them. So the family rings the police. They catch and she is sent to prison to be killed (the chair). They discover she is pregnant so she has the child and then she is killed. the kid is dumped with the guy who then has to raise the child in a white trash suburban home.

Now this girl you speak of has a crimal record like the one from the show. If you have sex with her she is likely to brutally murder you. I suggest you hand the phone number into the police and relocate to mexico...

Thank god tv is there to teach us valuable lessions like this.

 

[northeast rower]

No-one under 18 and you're 17...

Figure out what the criminal record's for. Then bang her anyway.

 

[Thyunda]

That guy J-e-f-f-e-r-s said earlier that there are too many 'if's and 'why's to conclude anything about the girl. I'm going to have to disagree with him. There is plenty of information to judge the girl. But your judgement went completely in the wrong direction if you ask me.

True, I did say that. My reasoning, I should hasten to add however, is that it's pointless to go "Oh no Son, stay away from her, she's obviously a crazy slut crackwhore who wants to infect you with the STDs!!1!" when all we really know is that he likes her, she likes him, and she at some point in her life did something to get a criminal record. The girl could be a crazy psycho *****, or she could be the hottest, nicest, friendliest girl in the whole county. We know fuck all about her, so passing moral judgements about her, as many are doing on this thread, seems ludicrous.

That said, the fact that she was honest and upfront with the OP about her criminal record and foster family situation suggest to me that she's alright. She obviously wanted to lay all the awkward stuff out on the table and get it out the way (which must have taken some guts, as not all guys are mature or responsible enough to handle girls with criminal records or foster families), rather than trying to hide it from the OP and springing it on him at a later date. She seems to be acting open and honest about herself with him, which is the most important thing.

Slightly off-topic, but I can't help but notice that the product of abstinence only sex-education seems to be manifesting itself in some of the thread replies. A lot of people going "Oh noes, sex is a beautiful, lovely thing that should be kept for someone you care about. People who do the naughty with someone they don't know are baaaaad people." To them I say, grow the fuck up. We're living in the 21st Century, not the Middle Ages.

I knew a girl like this once. Actually, she'd be 19 now. Huh. Anyhow, she set me on fire once. Two years later, my friend introduces me to his new girlfriend. It's her. Soon after, they break up. She appears at his door over and over again, insisting she's pregnant and demanding baby supplies. Within a matter of weeks, the baby is a stillbirth and is buried in a local cemetery and there's a lynch group after my friend.

Yeah. Alright. That sounds truthful. The description of the girl in the OP does sound spookily like her though.

Yeah. Don't do that. Sex is rarely just sex, there is a life afterwards. I'm not saying it should be reserved, I'm just saying, it has consequences. The alcohol is the main problem here, not so much the criminal record. Also, the forceful forwardness? That's usually a bad sign. You can tell me how women like sex and that's why it was - don't you think I know that women enjoy sex too? However, look at it this way. You like sex. You meet a girl. Do you just launch into it? No, I suspect not, because most of us like to gauge the target first, unless we're in a club or some such place, and even then, alcohol is heavily involved.

Can't you see the problem here?

 

[thylasos]

Use a condom. Apart from that, go for it, if you've sussed out her situation.

Sometimes people like to fuck. Fair enough.

 

[Boba Frag]

Ok, not to sound nasty, but I think you should ignore any advice that starts freaking out about the criminal record thing.

It sounds like the girl has had a fairly rough life, but that in no way makes her a bad person.
As has been said to death, everyone has baggage.

I well remember the joys of being a sexually frustrated 17 year old, so I totally understand where you're coming from.

I think that you should make sure you're not going to end up hurting either this girl or yourself- you don't need to launch into a relationship at all, just make sure you both know what's going on. There's clearly chemistry there, so anyone who starts spouting off about 'ewwww they're trying to use you! Sex that early is EVIL!!' etc etc has no fucking idea what they're talking about.

A former girlfriend of mine was very much a buttoned down respectable girl and still is, but we were still sleeping together quite early in the relationship. That doesn't make her any less at all, it just means that we fell for each other very quickly and needed the human comfort the other provided.

Just have fun, relax, and buy a condoms. For God's sake know how to use one as well.

 

[Athinira]

Yeah. Don't do that. Sex is rarely just sex, there is a life afterwards. I'm not saying it should be reserved, I'm just saying, it has consequences. The alcohol is the main problem here, not so much the criminal record. Also, the forceful forwardness? That's usually a bad sign. You can tell me how women like sex and that's why it was - don't you think I know that women enjoy sex too? However, look at it this way. You like sex. You meet a girl. Do you just launch into it? No, I suspect not, because most of us like to gauge the target first, unless we're in a club or some such place, and even then, alcohol is heavily involved.

Can't you see the problem here?

I actually can't.

It's my opinion that it's good for people to experience sex, since it's one of the things that will help you later in your life when you are trying to make something happen with a girl who isn't so straigthforward about it. I have plenty of females friends who broke of with an otherwise great guy because he simply was inexperienced in bed. Women loves sex too, and they instantly become addicted to skillful lovers. For a young guy like OP, jumping at the chance to get some experience can very well serve him later.

I think you're letting your friends story cloud your judgement, because that's certainly not the general story. I'd say your friend has been very unlucky (and depending on whether or not he used a condom, stupid), but that's not a scenario that's going to happen often, even if the girl might seem like the one in your story. If he is careful, plays his cards correctly, he stands to gain a lot more than he can lose on this. That's the one great thing about what happened to your friend: Others can learn from you sharing his experience here

 

[smithy_2045]

Is she hot enough to be worth the risk? If yes, go for it, if not, move on.

 

[Thyunda]

Yeah. Don't do that. Sex is rarely just sex, there is a life afterwards. I'm not saying it should be reserved, I'm just saying, it has consequences. The alcohol is the main problem here, not so much the criminal record. Also, the forceful forwardness? That's usually a bad sign. You can tell me how women like sex and that's why it was - don't you think I know that women enjoy sex too? However, look at it this way. You like sex. You meet a girl. Do you just launch into it? No, I suspect not, because most of us like to gauge the target first, unless we're in a club or some such place, and even then, alcohol is heavily involved.

Can't you see the problem here?

I actually can't.

It's my opinion that it's good for people to experience sex, since it's one of the things that will help you later in your life when you are trying to make something happen with a girl who isn't so straigthforward about it. I have plenty of females friends who broke of with an otherwise great guy because he simply was inexperienced in bed. Women loves sex too, and they instantly become addicted to skillful lovers. For a young guy like OP, jumping at the chance to get some experience can very well serve him later.

I think you're letting your friends story cloud your judgement, because that's certainly not the general story. I'd say your friend has been very unlucky (and depending on whether or not he used a condom, stupid), but that's not a scenario that's going to happen often, even if the girl might seem like the one in your story. If he is careful, plays his cards correctly, he stands to gain a lot more than he can lose on this. That's the one great thing about what happened to your friend: Others can learn from you sharing his experience here

The girl wasn't pregnant. There was no miscarriage. The girl was off her head.

Now. Sex is good. The more the better. However, is it worth the consequences? Always consider the consequences. I know it's cool to just say 'forget the consequences', but then, when it comes back bad, the fuck do you do then? What happens when YOU want to break it off and she doesn't? She's already demonstrated that she likes to have what she wants, when she wants it, given her aggression already, and the fact her foster mother hovers awkwardly by the door means that she's clearly taken the run of the house.

What foster mother allows a daughter to do all that? Not one that expressly cares for her adopted daughter's welfare. This is something you don't want to be involved in. This won't be anonymous. It'll be a calamity.

 

[The Gatherer]

Some good game talk this. Keep it up

 

[LiftYourSkinnyFists]

Correct term is "Mash'n'Dash" Girls already used to men in her life being let downs she'll expect it move on to the next lucky bloke she finds at a bus stop :|

 

[Scarim Coral]

Err did you by any point mention her that you were 17?

OT- You maybe a lucky git but it sound way too fishy (not the criminal record but what everyone else before me had pointed out).
It sound like you may get something bad out of it than the good (sure sex is great and all but is it worth dealing with that aftermath that you may face). I getting a feeling that you may end up one of those bitter guy who post why your girlfriend or relationship suck in the future.

Regardless it's your action to take so you should be prepare for any unforseen consequences in the future.

 

[Athinira]

The girl wasn't pregnant. There was no miscarriage. The girl was off her head.

Now. Sex is good. The more the better. However, is it worth the consequences? Always consider the consequences. I know it's cool to just say 'forget the consequences', but then, when it comes back bad, the fuck do you do then? What happens when YOU want to break it off and she doesn't? She's already demonstrated that she likes to have what she wants, when she wants it, given her aggression already, and the fact her foster mother hovers awkwardly by the door means that she's clearly taken the run of the house.

What foster mother allows a daughter to do all that? Not one that expressly cares for her adopted daughter's welfare. This is something you don't want to be involved in. This won't be anonymous. It'll be a calamity.

I'll say to you what i said to another guy earlier in the thread: You're not as good at judging people as you think you are.

First of all, you say the girl has shown aggression. In fact, she has shown very little aggression. It's true she hasn't been subtle about the fact that she wants something to happen (and eventually did make something happen), dropping several impossible-to-miss hints on the way, but dropping hints isn't aggression, and it was OP who decided to pursue it. She hasn't pushed herself on OP in any way, and he had the chance to walk away at any time he wanted.

She buys him, a complete stranger, a beer for no specific reason -> He accepts, breaking another agreement with a friend.
She tells him about her background and habits -> He doesn't back off.
She invites him over -> He accepts.
She doesn't ask him to kiss her, HE asked if he could. She just said yes.
Finally, and most importantly: She gave him HER number, leaving the initiative to continue this relationship in HIS hands. She didn't ask for his number (unless OP left that out).

In fact, the only aggressive act she did was ask him if he had a girlfriend or was looking for one, and that happened after they had made out. The rest (the beer and inviting him over), while on her initiative, is not aggression, it's dropping hints (something which girls are very good at) to see if he bites. The girl has shown that she likes the guy and wants him, but aggression is the very last thing she has shown. She simply dropped hints that she liked him, while at the same time getting also letting him know what he was walking into, giving him the chance to back off. The OP decided to bite.

Also, you can't judge anything based on the foster mother. People have very different philosophies to live by. My youngest sister of 15 recently asked my mother about P-pills (contraception pills that is) while i was in the room, meaning that she is either touring her first experiences with sex now or in the very close future, and my mother didn't reprimand her or anything. Does that mean my mother doensn't care about her welfare? Of course not. But the girl in question is 19 years old, which is considered grownup in most countries, and that's a point where many decisions about your own life is in your own hands, and some parents prefer to stay out of business they don't consider their business.

You are grossly misjudging the girl for starters, and the rest of your paranoia is based on jumping to conclusions (read: poor guesswork) based on very little information. I agree the guy should be careful, but forgive me if i don't find your assessments very convincing after your last post.

 

[EvilMaggot]

Ok, so here's the thing. Don't read if you're under 18.
My mate asked me yesterday if I wanted to go to this charity concert thing. As he frequently does, he turns up late, but I had stopped waiting for him- a fairly attractive girl has asked me the time and we've started talking. She asks if I want to go to the pub and she buys me a beer; I try to pay her back but she told me not to worry. It's all cool, we're still talking. My friend rings but the girl invites me to her place, so I ignore my phone. We get to her place. By this time she's told me that she smokes, is a frequent vodka drinker and has a criminal record. To put things in context, I'm trying to get into University and while my parents aren't exactly... well, snobby... this girl isn't the type that I'd want to introduce to them.
But I'm trying to live in the moment and stuff. This girl is in a foster family because her step-father kicked her out, so I get introduced to her foster mum. She seems cool enough with me being there, so me and this girl go into her bedroom. I ask if I can kiss her and she said yes, and within about half an hour I realise I'm at third base and wondering what the fuck is going on and what lucky prick's life I'm seeing through my eyes. She's giving me oral, but every time we start getting anywhere, we can hear her foster mother moving around outside the door, like she's trying to catch us in the act.
Anyway. This girl gave me her number before I left and kept asking if I had a girlfriend and if I was looking for one. I didn't say anything committal, but left with her number. I've got her number on my phone right now. Now, being a 17 year old guy who's fairly frustrated at this point, I think a lot of you can appreciate how much I want to... alleviate this frustration. But as much as I want to just let my cock do all the thinking, I'm feeling that I should be a bit careful as well. The criminal record is going to be a problem. I'm well aware that this is a slippery slope I'm looking down, but I really, REALLY want this fuck, and I think I'd be throwing away a lot of happiness if I don't keep hold of this.

So anyway, seeing as how I don't think I can talk about this to people I know and definitely not my family, I thought I'd instead confide in total strangers to give me advice.

EDIT: It's not the fact that she has a criminal record that bothers me, it's the fact that I'm wary that she might get me into trouble before I know what the fuck. Also, yes I know what her charges are for.

Do it... everything has thier mistakes and live with it... if you both a looking for a good time.. do it and ive had a girlfriend that also was like her.. just far worse (though found that out later) but fuck her, date her try and get a relationship going and see where it takes you and fuck your parents... they dont have the right to judge before they know her (was the same prob with my later psycho gf xD..)