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thevillageidiot13

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On MovieBob's recent video on "The Big Picture," he really gave it to pro athlete Michael Vick. Seriously.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/3032-Maddening

And it really seems like followers of MovieBob have suddenly built this image of Vick as the anti-Christ murderer son of Hitler, solely because of what MovieBob said. As somebody who is equal parts geek and jock, I can say that, if the only information you have about Michael Vick came from MovieBob's video, then you are horribly misinformed. If you are basing your opinion of Vick SOLELY on MovieBob's movie, then you should know that Bob isn't feeding you the whole story at all. With this post, I hope to re-establish the balance of forces, and help my fellow Escapist understand the other side of Vick's controversy.

Bob, as much as I respect you, I must respectfully disagree with you. Strongly.

For starters, many professional athletes have done far worse than Vick -- Stephen Jackson (currently playing for the NBA's Charlotte Bobcats) brought a gun to a nightclub and opened fire in the middle of a crowd. He could've killed somebody easily, and he didn't serve 2 years in prison. He was suspended for EIGHT games. EIGHT. That's (literally) 1/10th of a season. For firing a full clip worth of ammo in the middle of a crowd, Jackson had to go for a month without basketball. Vick spent two years in Leavenworth.

Sure, that doesn't excuse what Vick did, but maybe this will. It's obvious that he's genuine about turning his life around -- he's abandoned his old friends (the ones who pressured him towards dogfighting). There's even been a reports of him RUNNING away from old friends who were in cahoots with him during his dogfighting days.

For three years, Vick was in exile. He used to be a cocky punk. Now, he's introverted.

He now actively campaigns against dogfighting, and has made countless speeches for the Humane Society, denouncing his old lifestyle. He spends his days off visiting local schools and condemning dogfighting and animal cruelty in general. I'm not saying he spends SOME of his vacation days doing this. I'm saying he spends the *overwhelming majority* of his free time doing this.

Don't get it twisted, though. I have two dogs myself; I love them both. I took a sledgehammer to my dad's car in protest when he wanted to get an electric fence. I love dogs with a passion. And I wasn't always a fan of Vick either. In fact, I used to hate Vick, even before the dog-fighting scandals. Now, after the time he has spent in jail, he's my favorite player in football because of the way he has changed as a person.

Sure, he's still wealthy. But think about this: He used to have a contract worth $100 million. He now earns $5 million a year, which is only a little bit more than, say, a neurosurgeon makes in America. So, yes, he's still filthy rich, but he only earns 5% of what he used to. And, for somebody in professional sports, Vick is earning a very modest living. Seriously. A *very* modest living.

Think about that. He literally runs away from his old friends like they're the plague. He has re-invented himself from a hated athlete into a redeemed humanitarian.

So there. That's my take on it. I'm not trying to tell you that Vick DESERVES your respect, or that he DESERVES to be on the cover of a video-game, or whatever. I'm trying to tell you that, through a combination of humiliation, rehabilitation, and hard work, the man has truly changed, and maybe some of the criticism and hatred you have for him is a little unfair.
 

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I should also add that I'm a big fan of MovieBob, and I have quite a bit of respect for him, and that I normally agree with him, and this difference in opinion here is an exception to the rule.
 

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DeadSp8s said:
Vick is a piece of shit. But so are lots of other people. Especially incredibly wealthy prim a donas without college degrees.
I agree. You should know, however, that, ever since getting out of prison, he is regarded as one of the most modest and introverted athletes in professional football. So I don't think that "prima donna" is a fair description of who he is today.
 

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He's repented, and made some serious turn arounds in his life. Sure he screwed up, but who of us isn't broken or damaged goods in some way? He just got a really big screwup.

At least he's trying to make some kind of amends, unlike many other famous people who's problems are exposed.
 

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Johnnyallstar said:
He's repented, and made some serious turn arounds in his life. Sure he screwed up, but who of us isn't broken or damaged goods in some way? He just got a really big screwup.

At least he's trying to make some kind of amends, unlike many other famous people who's problems are exposed.
Thank you for agreeing with me. As the Escapist is primarily targeted towards geeks (who are treated as the opposite of jocks), I fear that a lot of the hate for Vick comes from misinformation and ignorance rather than actual understanding. As somebody who both plays sports and plays video-games, I hope to help people understand how misleading Bob's video was.
 

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John Marcone said:
The shitty actions of other athletes has nothing to do with Vick being a piece of shit. Bob was making a show about one waste of oxygen, not the industry as a whole.

As for Vick, he tortured and executed at least dozens if not hundreds of animals for fun. There is no forgiveness for that waste of life.
I do not care if a child molester "changes his ways" and goes around warning others of the evils of child abuse. He should still not be walking around at all. He should be face down in a ditch somewhere with a round in the back of his head.

Vick got a slap on the wrist and is now changing his image to regain his 100mil contract status.
Call me when he donates all his money to animal abuse charities and maybe then I will concede that he should not be dragged out back and shot like he did to all those dogs. But he will still forevermore be a worthless piece of shit.
Vick went bankrupt in prison, and, even though he was quite literally penniless, he donated $1 million to ensure that the same dogs he abused were cared for and rehabilitated and given an opportunity to lead a healthy life moving forward.

For the dog-fighting, yes, he is quite a bastard, but give a man credit for trying to repent.
 

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John Marcone said:
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Call me when he donates all his money to animal abuse charities and maybe then I will concede that he should not be dragged out back and shot like he did to all those dogs.
I'm fairly certain he has.
 

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I'm slightly frustrated that this thread has received such little attention, considering how important this subject matter is to me. >.>
 

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thevillageidiot13 said:
I'm slightly frustrated that this thread has received such little attention, considering how important this subject matter is to me. >.>
it's because this has already been debated to death in several other threads over the past few days. internet attention span, ya know?
 

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Jamboxdotcom said:
thevillageidiot13 said:
I'm slightly frustrated that this thread has received such little attention, considering how important this subject matter is to me. >.>
it's because this has already been debated to death in several other threads over the past few days. internet attention span, ya know?
Yes, and the outrageous amounts of work I had yesterday kept me from showing up in time to contribute to the discussion. X_X
 

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Pretty much agree.

If you treat someone like a lost cause after their screw up eventually they're going to accept that they're a lost cause and stop making such an effort to seek redemption.
 
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DeadSp8s said:
Especially incredibly wealthy prim a donas without college degrees.
Could you flesh this idea out a little? I'd really love to know what the heck you're trying to say.

Is the incinuation that you shouldn't be able to make the-big-money without a degree?
 
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DeadSp8s said:
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DeadSp8s said:
Especially incredibly wealthy prim a donas without college degrees.
Could you flesh this idea out a little? I'd really love to know what the heck you're trying to say.

Is the incinuation that you shouldn't be able to make the-big-money without a degree?
Not at all. Just that the odds are if you grew up with an incredible amount of physical talent, you're not going to work too hard in school. You're going to work at perfecting your physical craft. You're going to listen to praise from friends and fans and that will most likely go to your head. You become a self-centered prick who thinks the law does not apply to him. Mike Vick before prison: Knowingly gave women genital herpes, busted with marijuana residue at the airport, ran a dogfighting ring. (I'm a sports fan, not a PETA activist.) To be "the man", you've gotta be able to afford to be "the man", that's why they take the big contracts over the education.

It's not just Vick, look at Wayne Rooney, that guy is a classless piece of trash. Look at all of the arrests in the NFL every week. Rae Carruth killed his fiancee, OJ Simpson, Lawrence Taylor, Pacman Jones, Chris Henry...and on and on and on. The NBA is no different, Gilbert Arenas stored loaded guns in his locker.

I'm not saying everyone who plays professional sports is a piece of shit. Look at Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Look at Adrian Peterson and Larry Fitzgerald; good athletes, good people. You won't hear about them getting busted for fighting dogs.

If you grow up in a neighborhood with gangs, it doesn't make you a gang member, but it does increase the odds that you will be one.

A person who does the things Mike Vick did, and probably still does, is a piece of shit. I'm a forgiver, but I won't forget.
You're still talking about a few individuals out of thousands that are playing, and these are highly publicised and scrutinised people...of course you're going to find some hatable characters.

In my view, it's the white-collar world that is far more deserving of our ire, "great crimes beget great fortunes" and yadda yadda yadda. Not to mention that educations are bought, and fortunes are very often inherited. If you have money, you get interest. If you don't...fuckin' bank charges. The world is so ridiculously stacked in favour of the already rich, that it's hard to respect.

Sports on the other hand, are a far purer meritocracy...I think that comes in to why they're so loved. If you're good, you ascend. It very much bucks the hideous trend.

I only object because you made a point out of them not having degrees...as though that matters. Degrees are specialised job training, that's about it...it's not a bigger qualifier in life than that.