A Discussion about Time: The Blinovitch Limitation Effect

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Lt.Snuffles said:
I wonder what would actually happen if you created a paradox...
That's what the Blinovitch Limitation is actually about. In order to create a paradox, you'd have to overcome the potential energy behind it. This would take a colossal amount of energy in the same way that leaving the planet's atmosphere would. Once that paradox is created (see The Sound of Drums), you're basically sitting on a temporal bomb.

The Limitation says, in a similar way to Einstein's Theory of Relativity, that as you get closer to creating a Paradox, the energy needed to overcome it builds exponentially.

The TARDIS can overcome that though, by slipping out of the time-stream, but it's still incredibly dangerous, which is why the safety circuits are there.

The real problem with a paradox though exists depending on whether you're in a linear stream or a cubic (or more dimension) stream.

For a linear stream, Effect follows Cause, so the creation of a paradox would destroy the paradoxer (and probably the paradoxee).
For a cubic stream, Effect probably follows Cause, so you're allowed to create a paradox, but the ripples forward will disrupt your own time stream.

For the pie-eating, this may just be indigestion. But if you released Nelson Mandela, say, then the Anti-Apartheid movement would lose potential, this may mean that racial tensions increase to the point where Apartheid never is denounced. This then knocks on to the appearance of Black people in the media. Maybe Louis/Rochelle aren't created in Left4Dead because in this new world, Valve think that a black protagonist is too risky? Maybe Barack Obama takes a even worse battering and the American public bring in McCain? The World Cup is in jeopardy because it can't be held in South Africa, so it's moved to England early. The English Government can't cope with this after the credit crunch (fueled by ongoing racism against the extra immigration from South Africa) and martial law has to be declared.

It's all about potentials, and that's why there's certain key points in history where the Doctor fears to tread.
 

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TimeLord said:
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It's mathematically impossible to "travel" back in time-space.
Do you have proof of this?
I don't know enough to have an opinion on it yet but after impulsively making that stupid statement I'll try to redeem myself by at least directing you to this link (which is one of those online news articles so it's a bit dirty), not that it's right or wrong...
am i digging myself into a hole? i dunno
 

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PoliceBox63 said:
TimeLord said:
PoliceBox63 said:
It's mathematically impossible to "travel" back in time-space.
Do you have proof of this?
I don't know enough to have an opinion on it yet but after impulsively making that stupid statement I'll try to redeem myself by at least directing you to this link (which is one of those online news articles so it's a bit dirty), not that it's right or wrong...
am i digging myself into a hole? i dunno
Anyone who says something is "mathematically impossible" as not explored all options. Something can be "physically impossible" but not mathematically

EDIT: [HEADING=2]Example Time[/HEADING]

It is possible to travel into the past by exploding a star while at warp speed and slingshoting through said star as it is exploding.

That means, it is possible "mathematically"
But is impossible "physically"
 

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bodare said:
Umm... why is everyone so obsessed with travelling back through time? People rarely mention travelling forwards. Which is strange, considering it is not nearly as hard as going backwards.

BTW, if we all have our separate timestreams, you would destroy yourself by travelling forward, right?
I'm travelling forward in time right now. As are you.

OT: There's some guy in the states who's building a time machine... Using light... Basically, because enegy has mass, it projects a gravitational field, we know this to be a fact. So, by aranging lasers in a circle he could twist and bend spacetime, much in the same way any super-massive object does. If he bends it enough then he could cause a loop in space time, allowing instantaneous travel though time and space.

I'll see if I can find a link.
 

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stinkychops said:
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So what you're saying is that there is a way to circumnavigate time in order to change events fated to happen?
More to circumnavigate time in order to change events fated to happen by creating (accidentally or otherwise) a paradox in your own time stream
If someone did go back in time to prevent a paradox, they would have to fail. Or else the paradox wouldn't exist for them to travel back and resolve. Right?
That is what I am going to go into detail about in my Time Loops article
 

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This was an interesting read. I wish I could better understand....that ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff. I will hope to tune into your next thread.
 

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Random thought; if energy can neither be created nor destroyed, and if we assume the sheer amount of mass or energy on Earth is static, that ignoring space debris raining down upon us, the amount of matter present is a constant, this leads me to what seems to be a problem with time travel;
Going back in time would effectively introduce "extra" matter, from effectively no where, as your "past self" would be there, but you would have added yourself as well.

You can say you have simply transferred the matter from the present to a time in the past, but assuming it's a one way trip, you would have technically "created" matter; where there was nothing, you have added another, more recent, 'you'.

Let me make an example; time as we know it in every day terms is a steady progression towards "future", which upon reaching it becomes "present" obviously. If you were to use a time machine in the present to jump 20 years into the future, you have interrupted the stream of things, as in the intermittent 20 years, you do not exist, your matter has simply disappeared, and then 20 years on, your matter has reappeared from nothing.
Or let me put it another way, if you were to jump back in time, there is then 2 of you in the past. Your "past" self will then reach your "present" and go back in time himself, as it has already been done, and yet then this would mean there would be your past self, you and yourself that you originally jumped back in time to.
You can see the problem with this, in that it creates an endless amount of "you's", and thus an endless or infinite amount of energy, which is an impossibility.