A fad to hate?

Captain Gamer

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Hating anything becomes a fad. Even if the founding hatred has sound reason, there will be followers whose campiness will dilute the purpose of the original hatred's purpose. Halo was immensely popular because it was a functional FPS on a console with a lot of visibility to the Western audience. The new players were amazed, the longtime FPS players smirked with amusement and agreeably passed Halo over.

Then, FPSs began to emulate Halo in a desperate attempt to make money and be popular. As Yahtzee summed it up, "Let's be like Halo." Longtime FPSers took notice and tried raising their voices, saying that now that FPSs are visible to the mainstream eye, emulating a lower common denominator was no longer necessary. Words were unheeed and tempers rose. Eventually, the campy, tribal gamers with too much free time came in, arms flailing, spamming chatspeak and expletives, becoming much louder than the FPSers, who merely wanted the variety back in their genre. Now, Halo takes as much blind hate as it does blind love from all the frat boys.

The same logic can be applied to all the hate that the Wii gets. It has a lack of core following, core gamers raise their voices. Anti-fans join the fray, mic-spamming their hatred of Nintendo as if that has anything to do with their support for their console of choice.

Playstation 3... It's widely criticized as being overpriced and with too little first-party action. Anti-fans join the fray, recycling old jokes about the ridiculousness of the existence of Old Snake and calling Heavenly Sword a watered down God of War with boobs, without having played either of them.

To answer the thread title, yes, it is a fad to hate. In fact, hate is worse... it's a spectacle which gets in the way of the real issue.



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tomtom94

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I have played Halo and Halo 2, luckily I have grown out of my "Nintendo fanboy" phase.
I did once try playing the latter with a controller that was always running backwards, that was pretty gay.
I found it like I found GOW, fairly average. Probably because I don't particularly rate the genre or currently own a 360.
 
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It's like everyone lives in a bizarro world, where only mediocre things sell well, and no one buys anything good. Or, at least, the more people who buy a game, the worse the game is. Therefore, the worst game ever made is Wii Sports, followed by Super Mario Bros. and Tetris. And the best game ever made for consoles and/or PC is Grim Fandango.
 

ironmace2.0

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Halo 1 was kick ass! Halo 2 ws still very good but not as fun. Halo 3 multiplayer was fun but the rest was very very very very very boring :( but Halo 3 was to hyped but im not actualy talking about what this topic is about so I will end this post now before I kill you all with this pointless post so sry for this pointless post, this is a good time to end it.

Sry about the bad grammer I sort of did this without paying attention to what I was doing.
 

Nargleblarg

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Haloe 2 and 3 you can hate I don't really care but the first one is exempt from being hated because it was the only game the actually got it right.
 

Grimm91

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Well I've hated Halo before it became a fad to hate Halo. So does that mean that my opinion is a fad?
 

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Xan Krieger said:
Personally I prefer Halo 3 to Half-life 2 though I gotta admit Halo 3 (and for much that matter Halo 2) could never live up to the original Halo.
OMG really?

Ok, the hating thing - I don't hate Halo, I just don't find it that fun, perhaps that's because I play games on PC, and I don't like the xbox's control system, but it runs deeper than that.

From what I've played, the online's solid (although it could use a few gamemodes that I miss from UT2K4, it's nice) - maps are limited as it's on a console, and you can't create any custom maps (forge mode, yes - but it's not as good as a proper map editor).

Hl2 and halo are totally different, you play half life for the story, the engrossment - the end of HL2:EP2 brings that home, I was moved by that scene after becoming attached to the characters (not mentioning specifics because it's so good I don't want to spoil it).

For Halo, you're playing it for the online, it's a mutiplayer shooter first and a single player game second.

Flame me if I'm wrong.
 

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why/ how is it mediocre?
Really because there was/is nothing new or innovative in Halo 3. It is a shooter and you can't walk into a game store and throw a rock without hitting a shooter. Having a huge online community doesn't raise it from mediocricity. Maybe the first Halo would have since online was a big deal back then. It isn't a bad game or the worst game ever but it doesn't deserve the praise it always gets. I personally have played FPSes with better controls, a much better story, atmosphere, better AI and better graphics. And the online was solid so why aren't they mentioned?
 

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I dont think it has anything to do with halo, sure it may be overplayed and yes it does get tiring if your not missing your frontal lobe. but i think being contrary in general.

lets look at the following

[Query] "do you like halo" [answer] "no i think, it sucks" [Additional Query] "really why not"
[answer] "(opinionated rant on whatever)"

as compared to'

[Query] "do you like halo" [answer] "yes its great" [Additional Query] "ok, wanna go play it"

the second option ends conversation and does nessicarily not allow for the expression of opinion. i believe (note exercize of free speech)that a good number of gamers happen to be slightly socially inept and have a hard time carying a conversation with out ample promt. a side effect of hours looking at a screen rather than a face. also the end of a recent fad know commanly as emo has poisoned allot of aspects of young adult and teen (main halo fan base) civilization. for instance complaining is more comman than complimenting, ergo bleeding gets more attention that civility.
 

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I think it's a fad to like halo 3. I love Halo 1 and had a ton of fun with halo 2, but for me, halo 3 was "really? again?".
 

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squid5580 said:
supermaster1337 said:
why/ how is it mediocre?
Really because there was/is nothing new or innovative in Halo 3. It is a shooter and you can't walk into a game store and throw a rock without hitting a shooter. Having a huge online community doesn't raise it from mediocricity. Maybe the first Halo would have since online was a big deal back then. It isn't a bad game or the worst game ever but it doesn't deserve the praise it always gets. I personally have played FPSes with better controls, a much better story, atmosphere, better AI and better graphics. And the online was solid so why aren't they mentioned?
name me what game is on your mind.
 

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You know what? It ticks me off because its starting to become a trend to call anyone hating anything a fad. As if I hate something because its cool to hate it.


God forbid I have a brain and can form my own fucking opinions about things. But no, i've just got a James Dean fetish and long to be the Rebel Without a Cause.
 

squid5580

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@ supermaster1337 (I knew I should have quoted :( )

FEAR (for the 360) comes to mind. I could list off a few more FPSes I really liked more than Halo 3 but either they don't have online (like Bioshock) or by the time I got them the community had left the building.
 

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supermaster1337 said:
Tenmar said:
supermaster1337 said:
why/ how is it mediocre?
I can give one reason why the Halo franchise was mediocre. It was the franchise that actually reduced the arsenal of FPS players from the average of 6-unlimited weapons down to 2. If you have played Doom or other early FPS games weapons were very plentiful and players got to keep them all and decide which one they wanted to use in a situation. Halo took that away and even to this day most FPS games now only support players carrying two weapons instead of as many as they ran over.
that is the designers choice and i personally agree with it. I think that having a rocket launcher, sniper, shotgun, sword, all at the same time would be kinda cheap. im not saying your wrong, im just proving a valid point that contradicts the unlimited weapon thing.
Its just a matter of opinion.
Yeah, because magically regenerating health totally isn't cheap...
 

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I hated Halo 1-3 because the controls, the speed and the weapons and story did not suit me. I prefer a game like Condemned or Bioshock, where it is not about guns, but more about wits and utilizing everything you have.
 

supermaster1337

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Bored Tomatoe said:
supermaster1337 said:
Tenmar said:
supermaster1337 said:
why/ how is it mediocre?
I can give one reason why the Halo franchise was mediocre. It was the franchise that actually reduced the arsenal of FPS players from the average of 6-unlimited weapons down to 2. If you have played Doom or other early FPS games weapons were very plentiful and players got to keep them all and decide which one they wanted to use in a situation. Halo took that away and even to this day most FPS games now only support players carrying two weapons instead of as many as they ran over.
that is the designers choice and i personally agree with it. I think that having a rocket launcher, sniper, shotgun, sword, all at the same time would be kinda cheap. im not saying your wrong, im just proving a valid point that contradicts the unlimited weapon thing.
Its just a matter of opinion.
Yeah, because magically regenerating health totally isn't cheap...
not when everybody has it.