A few computer questions

[ToastiestZombie]

So I've had my gaming rig for 9 months now and I'm pretty siren it's time for a clean, since I've been having some performance and heat issues. Only problem is I have no idea how to do it without killing my computer. I saw you could use an air compressor, but then I heard that causes static discharges. I really need a bit of help with this.
Second i am planning on upgrading my processor to an intel one, which of course requires a new motherboard. When you upgrade those things do you have to reinstall windows? Or can you just do it the same way you change a graphics card.
Finally, should I buy a Gtx 670 to replace my two 560 ti cards? Ive been having a few problems with sli, but I'm not sure if it's worth it.

 

[Tallim]

You can get specific aerosol dusters which are anti-static. But I've never really had a problem with the regular ones.

As far as I recall you *might* have to reinstall windows if you change enough components in your computer. Or it might just require you to re-validate which used to be annoying and complicated but it might be more streamlined now.

 

[Kordie]

So I've had my gaming rig for 9 months now and I'm pretty siren it's time for a clean, since I've been having some performance and heat issues. Only problem is I have no idea how to do it without killing my computer. I saw you could use an air compressor, but then I heard that causes static discharges. I really need a bit of help with this.
Second i am planning on upgrading my processor to an intel one, which of course requires a new motherboard. When you upgrade those things do you have to reinstall windows? Or can you just do it the same way you change a graphics card.
Finally, should I buy a Gtx 670 to replace my two 560 ti cards? Ive been having a few problems with sli, but I'm not sure if it's worth it.

Thats a simple guide to cleaning out your computer, doesn't take long. As well use the store sold aerosol dusters. An air compressor could pick up foreign particles or have too high a pressure and damage componants.

As well for the motherboard, it "shouldn't" need you to reinstall your OS, but I'd keep the discs or install files on hand if you have them just in case.

Graphics cards, I suck with those... but for a rough guide check out... http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=669&card2=641# And according to that, your better off with the 2 560's

 

[ToastiestZombie]

You can get specific aerosol dusters which are anti-static. But I've never really had a problem with the regular ones.

As far as I recall you *might* have to reinstall windows if you change enough components in your computer. Or it might just require you to re-validate which used to be annoying and complicated but it might be more streamlined now.

I need more than might, sorry. It's just my computer didn't come with the windows 7 Cd or key, so if I do have to reinstall it'll mean I have to get a new copy, adding more to my price.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Thats a simple guide to cleaning out your computer, doesn't take long. As well use the store sold aerosol dusters. An air compressor could pick up foreign particles or have too high a pressure and damage componants.

As well for the motherboard, it "shouldn't" need you to reinstall your OS, but I'd keep the discs or install files on hand if you have them just in case.

Graphics cards, I suck with those... but for a rough guide check out... http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=669&card2=641# And according to that, your better off with the 2 560's

Thanks for the help. I might just get a 680 for Christmas then. I can still run any game I want, I think maybe other problems are causing the issues.

 

[Tallim]

Huh apparently changing the motherboard invalidates your OS license. You can change anything else freely but changing the motherboard counts as being a different computer. So really I have no idea what would happen there if you don't have the discs.

EDIT: Oh it's not just a microsoft thing, that is industry wide so any software that came specifically for your computer (if there was bundled stuff) also shouldn't be used on a new one.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Huh apparently changing the motherboard invalidates your OS license. You can change anything else freely but changing the motherboard counts as being a different computer. So really I have no idea what would happen there if you don't have the discs.

Well, since I shall now no be getting the new graphics card I'll have enough money to get a new copy. Is the Proffesional version worth it?

 

[Tallim]

Huh apparently changing the motherboard invalidates your OS license. You can change anything else freely but changing the motherboard counts as being a different computer. So really I have no idea what would happen there if you don't have the discs.

Well, since I shall now no be getting the new graphics card I'll have enough money to get a new copy. Is the Proffesional version worth it?

Honestly I have no idea offhand as it depends what you need it for. There is a comparison of the versions here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart

Professional has the WinXp mode which can be handy. But I doubt you'll need much of the other stuff. Only you will know.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Huh apparently changing the motherboard invalidates your OS license. You can change anything else freely but changing the motherboard counts as being a different computer. So really I have no idea what would happen there if you don't have the discs.

EDIT: Oh it's not just a microsoft thing, that is industry wide so any software that came specifically for your computer (if there was bundled stuff) also shouldn't be used on a new one.

That edit shouldn't be a problem, windows 7 was the only thing in y computer when I got it. Since I'll have to format the hard drive I'll just back up a few Steam games, and stuff like Battlefield 3. I've got a 500gb external, so that should be fine.

 

[Tallim]

Huh apparently changing the motherboard invalidates your OS license. You can change anything else freely but changing the motherboard counts as being a different computer. So really I have no idea what would happen there if you don't have the discs.

EDIT: Oh it's not just a microsoft thing, that is industry wide so any software that came specifically for your computer (if there was bundled stuff) also shouldn't be used on a new one.

That edit shouldn't be a problem, windows 7 was the only thing in y computer when I got it. Since I'll have to format the hard drive I'll just back up a few Steam games, and stuff like Battlefield 3. I've got a 500gb external, so that should be fine.

Not really a problem then, you're replacing the only thing it applies to (The OS) so you're all good. Good luck with all this, it's a bit intimidating the first time you start fiddling about like this but as long as you apply common sense it's not really that difficult. Like really expensive lego.

Just be wary of static when you are handling the components as that's the big risk. Just be wary of where you are doing the maintenance and component switching to minimize static build up. If you are really worried get some anti-static bangles from an electronics shop.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

Huh apparently changing the motherboard invalidates your OS license. You can change anything else freely but changing the motherboard counts as being a different computer. So really I have no idea what would happen there if you don't have the discs.

EDIT: Oh it's not just a microsoft thing, that is industry wide so any software that came specifically for your computer (if there was bundled stuff) also shouldn't be used on a new one.

That edit shouldn't be a problem, windows 7 was the only thing in y computer when I got it. Since I'll have to format the hard drive I'll just back up a few Steam games, and stuff like Battlefield 3. I've got a 500gb external, so that should be fine.

Not really a problem then, you're replacing the only thing it applies to (The OS) so you're all good. Good luck with all this, it's a bit intimidating the first time you start fiddling about like this but as long as you apply common sense it's not really that difficult. Like really expensive lego.

Just be wary of static when you are handling the components as that's the big risk. Just be wary of where you are doing the maintenance and component switching to minimize static build up. If you are really worried get some anti-static bangles from an electronics shop.

I know loads about static, and I will be buying those dangles. I know everything I need to upgrade, I just needed some clarification on those things. Two more questions. Where is the best place to upgrade your computer? I'm talking about stuff like tables and such. Second, with the money I'll save from not getting the new graphics card, should I get a solid state drive or a really good water cooler?

 

[Tallim]

Huh apparently changing the motherboard invalidates your OS license. You can change anything else freely but changing the motherboard counts as being a different computer. So really I have no idea what would happen there if you don't have the discs.

EDIT: Oh it's not just a microsoft thing, that is industry wide so any software that came specifically for your computer (if there was bundled stuff) also shouldn't be used on a new one.

That edit shouldn't be a problem, windows 7 was the only thing in y computer when I got it. Since I'll have to format the hard drive I'll just back up a few Steam games, and stuff like Battlefield 3. I've got a 500gb external, so that should be fine.

Not really a problem then, you're replacing the only thing it applies to (The OS) so you're all good. Good luck with all this, it's a bit intimidating the first time you start fiddling about like this but as long as you apply common sense it's not really that difficult. Like really expensive lego.

Just be wary of static when you are handling the components as that's the big risk. Just be wary of where you are doing the maintenance and component switching to minimize static build up. If you are really worried get some anti-static bangles from an electronics shop.

I know loads about static, and I will be buying those dangles. I know everything I need to upgrade, I just needed some clarification on those things. Two more questions. Where is the best place to upgrade your computer? I'm talking about stuff like tables and such. Second, with the money I'll save from not getting the new graphics card, should I get a solid state drive or a really good water cooler?

Large flat worktop of some kind where you can lay everything out comfortably. I also have a little dish for screws and bits so you don't lose them. Almost anywhere is fine except for carpeted areas as that's when you can build up static without realising it.

Can't really answer the second question. Does you pc have a heating problem? If so then I'd probably get the cooler. Otherwise I'd imagine the faster access time would be a real boon. But I'm not up to date on SSD details so you might need to do some research.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

research.

I think a water cooker is the best bet. Also, I bought my computer from a site that builds a computer for you and you pick the parts. When I got it the big lighted fan on the site wasn't powered at all, which leads me to believe I don't have enough watts to power it. I want to power it for obvious reasons, but how can I without removing more things? And another thing, how does one install a water cooler, and does it need power? I know how to install a normal fan.

 

[Tallim]

research.

I think a water cooker is the best bet. Also, I bought my computer from a site that builds a computer for you and you pick the parts. When I got it the big lighted fan on the site wasn't powered at all, which leads me to believe I don't have enough watts to power it. I want to power it for obvious reasons, but how can I without removing more things? And another thing, how does one install a water cooler, and does it need power? I know how to install a normal fan.

I've never dealt with a liquid cooler myself so I'm sorry it's not something I know about from experience but I believe it takes a LOT more work than just slapping in the components like a fan does.

They use a pump so they will require power.

If you suspect the PSU isn't up to snuff you might want to take a look into those too.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

research.

I think a water cooker is the best bet. Also, I bought my computer from a site that builds a computer for you and you pick the parts. When I got it the big lighted fan on the site wasn't powered at all, which leads me to believe I don't have enough watts to power it. I want to power it for obvious reasons, but how can I without removing more things? And another thing, how does one install a water cooler, and does it need power? I know how to install a normal fan.

I've never dealt with a liquid cooler myself so I'm sorry it's not something I know about from experience but I believe it takes a LOT more work than just slapping in the components like a fan does.

They use a pump so they will require power.

If you suspect the PSU isn't up to snuff you might want to take a look into those too.

Hmm, my PSU is 850 watts, I don't know why there isn't enough watts to power a fan. Do fan take much? Also, I think I might just get a better CPU fan instead, easier to install and probably cheaper.

 

[Kordie]

Hmm, my PSU is 850 watts, I don't know why there isn't enough watts to power a fan. Do fan take much? Also, I think I might just get a better CPU fan instead, easier to install and probably cheaper.

850 should be more than enough. For the water cooler, I'd say pass on that. Any leaks or mistakes installing could cause a lot of damage. Personally, I have never installed one though so maybe it's easier than I think.

For the fan, make sure its connected to the power supply and hasn't gotten loose. Then double check that it is turned on (there should be a small switch attached to it) and that nothing is obstructing it. Last, just buy a new fan. a cheap one should do it, they are around 14 bucks and really easy to install. Give it a bit after cleaning and dealing with the fan to see if that solves your heat issues before going for anything too expensive.

If you are going to go ahead with a new install of windows, I'd say grab an SSD to put it on. While I don't know how the numbers, installing your OS and drivers/system files on an SSD can speed everything up.

*edit* FYI a fan with an LED takes under 5W power, so that should rarely be an issue

 

[ToastiestZombie]

research.

I think a water cooker is the best bet. Also, I bought my computer from a site that builds a computer for you and you pick the parts. When I got it the big lighted fan on the site wasn't powered at all, which leads me to believe I don't have enough watts to power it. I want to power it for obvious reasons, but how can I without removing more things? And another thing, how does one install a water cooler, and does it need power? I know how to install a normal fan.

I've never dealt with a liquid cooler myself so I'm sorry it's not something I know about from experience but I believe it takes a LOT more work than just slapping in the components like a fan does.

They use a pump so they will require power.

If you suspect the PSU isn't up to snuff you might want to take a look into those too.

Hmm, my PSU is 850 watts, I don't know why there isn't enough watts to power a fan. Do fan take much? Also, I think I might just get a better CPU fan instead, easier to install and probably cheaper.

850 watts is beyond overkill, the fan may just not be working/the cable may not be working. Don't get water cooling for such a trivial reason.

The reason isn't a lack of power.

Alright then, I'll probably Try powering it when I do the upgrades. Should I get a better heatsink for the CPU? I've heard that the stock Intel ones aren't good at all.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

research.

I think a water cooker is the best bet. Also, I bought my computer from a site that builds a computer for you and you pick the parts. When I got it the big lighted fan on the site wasn't powered at all, which leads me to believe I don't have enough watts to power it. I want to power it for obvious reasons, but how can I without removing more things? And another thing, how does one install a water cooler, and does it need power? I know how to install a normal fan.

I've never dealt with a liquid cooler myself so I'm sorry it's not something I know about from experience but I believe it takes a LOT more work than just slapping in the components like a fan does.

They use a pump so they will require power.

If you suspect the PSU isn't up to snuff you might want to take a look into those too.

Hmm, my PSU is 850 watts, I don't know why there isn't enough watts to power a fan. Do fan take much? Also, I think I might just get a better CPU fan instead, easier to install and probably cheaper.

850 watts is beyond overkill, the fan may just not be working/the cable may not be working. Don't get water cooling for such a trivial reason.

The reason isn't a lack of power.

Alright then, I'll probably Try powering it when I do the upgrades. Should I get a better heatsink for the CPU? I've heard that the stock Intel ones aren't good at all.

what price range should I be aiming for for a new CPU fan? I've seen some that are about 70 pounds, But they are all very big, I'm not sure if they would fit in my case. Would a medium sized 40-50 pound heatsink do well for moderate overclocking? I only really plan to overclock from 3.3ghz to 3.6-3,8ghz, so not much.

If you intend to overclock then definitely get a new one. If you are going to keep it at stock speeds then there is no real need to upgrade.

You can, for less noise and heat but it's not essential.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

To Matthew94 (please snip, iPod typing is terrible). The CPU I have now is irrelevant. The CPU I'm getting is the i5 3570k, and the motherboard is an Asus P8Z77 pro. Do those seem good for overclocking,?

 

[Laughing Man]

Did I miss a large part of the topic somewhere?

Can I clairfy it started with the OP considering a mobo, CPU and GPU change. The OP was concerned about having to reinstall Windows because he didn't have the key or install discs it was clarified that you need to reactivate Windows if you do such a change.

Anyway the OP didn't say anything about having to reinstall Windows or how he planned to do this without the key or install CD but has instead decided to dump the GPU upgrade and go for a new mobo and CPU.

Is that right?

Okay why a CPU and Mobo upgrade what's wrong with the current set up if it's running along side a pair of 560Tis it has to have a bit of power behind it.

Based on that assumption would it not be better to upgrade the GPU, OC the current CPU, get the new SSD and a new CPU cooler and in turn you will see much

1). A faster PC from both the new SSD and the new GPU as well as the OC'd CPU
2). A cooler PC, you swapped two 560Tis for a single GPU that has the same power draw under load as one 560Ti. You've installed a better CPU cooler and if the SSD is replacing a mechanical HD then you have a cooler running slimmer (better airflow) drive than before.
3). You won;t have to reinstall Windows so that resolves the lack of CD or install Key.

and just because I love linking it and it has nothing to do with the fact that I've added more to my own rig here's a total noobs guide to watercooling, literally I had never done any of the things in this build log until I did them there.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=360030