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Yeah, I'm not reading all that nor do I care at this point. I got work to do. You don't like or disagree with what I have to say on this then it's not my problem. Your argument is making excuses for their shitty work ethics and behavior. We're done here as far as I'm concerned.
Yes, most vigilantes don't like to have to reflect on or explain whether they genuinely had a good case for running some poor sap down and stringing him up.
 

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don't think you can honestly just say well IGN can review whatever they want, they have time. They actually don't.
Most of a time they do. And what the publishers should do get off their asses and give these reviewers more time. Give them at least a month in a 1/2 or something when it comes to long single player games. That way they can at least beat the deadline early. Or if there is an update, they can add a pending for their review. Let the reader know of any updates and changes they will make to the review.
 

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Most of a time they do. And what the publishers should do get off their asses and give these reviewers more time. Give them at least a month in a 1/2 or something when it comes to long single player games. That way they can at least beat the deadline early. Or if there is an update, they can add a pending for their review. Let the reader know of any updates and changes they will make to the review.
For sure.

I would love to see an outlet give a game a 2/10 score because they got the review code too late or something. Yes, it would be petty but it would certainly be reflective of our times.
 

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Most of a time they do. And what the publishers should do get off their asses and give these reviewers more time. Give them at least a month in a 1/2 or something when it comes to long single player games. That way they can at least beat the deadline early. Or if there is an update, they can add a pending for their review. Let the reader know of any updates and changes they will make to the review.
As someone who has worked in the games industry I can tell you, a month and a half out from release a lot of games are still a mess. Technically playable, but they often still have broken HUD elements, placeholder textures or models, sometimes broken or unfinished quest lines, missing sound effects, etc. Companies can't send review copies of games out to reviewers a month and a half in advance because the games literally aren't done yet.

So what you're actually asking is for developers to delay releasing their games for a month and a half until reviewers have finished reviewing them, which is never going to happen. Fans are willing to riot whenever there's a delay to a highly anticipated game, and developers aren't going to eat the cost of delaying a game for a month and a half just to please some third party that leaches off their industry.

On the other hand, review outlets are never going to delay their reviews for a month until the writer has a chance to fully experience the game because a month after release the game is no longer in the spotlight and any review is pointless because people have already bought and played the game. Late reviews don't drive clicks and don't make money.
 
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I know this wasn't meant for me but it's an interesting question.
I used to think a good reviewer should finish a game, which mains critical path plus a significant amount of meaningful side content (which cannot be easily defined given how wildly different games are but I could confidently detail that for any game I have finished), and I still do think that for smaller games because I strongly believe that endings are the most underrated and underconsidered aspect of video games.

But now as games get so damn long... nah, insisting on finishing a game is crazy. I just think a review should outline what was played. "I was able to get through most of the campaign and a good amount of side content, putting in about 30 hours of play time" or something.
Yes, I think that's exactly the sort of right idea: transparency. "I played X much". I guess some could lie (pretend they played more to be thought of as more reliable?) but I doubt that many would bother.

I have no idea how much game journalists get paid (I'm guessing not that much), but I figure there's a de facto notional hours played per review. I'd hope it's probably upwards of 20. 20h is plenty to "finish" some games, but in others it might only be scratching the surface.

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Arguably endings are often overlooked, because games are mostly about playing, and the ending happens when the playing stops. Plus that looking at the completion rates for most games, it's something a lot of players don't experience because they never finish it.

I'm a little mixed on them. I would say that I usually don't care if the ending is little more than a "That's all, folks" screen, but on the other hand a great ending can be very powerful.
 

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As someone who has worked in the games industry I can tell you, a month and a half out from release a lot of games are still a mess. Technically playable, but they often still have broken HUD elements, placeholder textures or models, sometimes broken or unfinished quest lines, missing sound effects, etc. Companies can't send review copies of games out to reviewers a month and a half in advance because the games literally aren't done yet.
Then change the system and give some fucking leeway. It ain't that hard. This is why I prefer the AA and indie. They ain't perfect either, but they at least give themselves time to develop games, because most of them aren't beholden to share holders or are privately own. It's simply called: have the game in a finished or near finished state, and give the reviewers a month or two depending on the game and scope/size of it.

Fans are willing to riot whenever there's a delay to a highly anticipated game
Like I give a shit. I had to wait nearly ten years for DMC5 and 26 years on Streets of Rage 4. The impatient man/woman child fans can fuck off and play something else. New games come out every day. Fill that waiting with something more meaningful or go outside. I don't care which they do.

On the other hand, review outlets are never going to delay their reviews for a month until the writer has a chance to fully experience the game because a month after release the game is no longer in the spotlight and any review is pointless because people have already bought and played the game. Late reviews don't drive clicks and don't make money.
Which is why I don't bother with the major outlets anymore in the first place. I can rely on the individuals who care about doing reviews on their own time, not beholden to advertisers, rushed deadlines, nor obvious echo chambers. The contractors and those on YouTuber are still involved in the algorithm/system in some way, but they usually make it suck less for them or get a benefit in some way depending on who they are.

I do appreciate the insider info, but most of this was already known to me by this point.
 
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Then change the system and give some fucking leeway. It ain't that heard. This is why I prefer the AA and indie. They ain't perfect either, but they at least give themselves time to develop games, because most of them aren't beholden to share holders or are privately own. It's simply called: have the game in a finished or near finished state, and give the reviewers a month or two depending on the game and scope/size of it.
Change what system?

How does it benefit a development studio to give an unfinished product to reviewers? How does it benefit a development studio to have a finished product sitting around for an extra month and a half before release just so reviewers have time to play it?

AA and Indie games aren't any different in this regard. Indie devs aren't sitting on their hands for a month before releasing their game just to give reviewers time to play it.

The phrase "time is money" applies here.
 

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AA and Indie games aren't any different in this regard. Indie devs aren't sitting on their hands for a month before releasing their game just to give reviewers time to play it.

The phrase "time is money" applies here.
No shit, but they at least treat each other like humans. No soulless machines that can run 24/7. It's possible to change the system, but you have greedy bastards that won't do so otherwise, despite having all the money in the universe. Even then, that's still not enough for the greedy bitches at the top.
 

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No shit, but they at least treat each other like humans. No soulless machines that can run 24/7. It's possible to change the system, but you have greedy bastards that won't do so otherwise, despite having all the money in the universe. Even then, that's still not enough for the greedy bitches at the top.
I think you're completely misunderstanding the dynamic between game reviewers and developers.

Publications are the ones who request review copies from developers, developers aren't the ones going to game publications asking for their product to be reviewed.

The developers aren't setting the timelines for the review, they just say that a review can't come out before X date, and obviously developers aren't going to give reviewers a copy of a game that hasn't gone gold yet. Developers also aren't the ones overloading reviewers with work.

The fact of the matter is that game review publications just don't make that much money, therefore they have less staff, and the staff they have end up getting overworked because they need to constantly output as many reviews as possible as fast as possible to maximize the number of clicks they get from the ad revenue algorithm.

None of that has to do with developers.

"Developers should give them more time." Why? How would that benefit the developers? Why would they sit on their hands for a month+ to give reviewers time to review a product they they are ready to ship and sell?
 

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I understand perfectly, I just don't give a shit anymore. I stopped a long time ago. Plain and simple.
You seem to care enough to spend multiple pages of a thread blaming the wrong parties for just about everything possible.