A Guide To Piracy.

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CrysisMcGee

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Arrrr!....Okay this isn't a guide to doing something illegal so much as it is when you are doing something that won't hold up in court.

Games. You bought it, as long as you still currently own it, or Lost it, which makes that copy still yours, You are free to back up, copy, or download for your own personal use. Such as if you break it. Are you allowed for lending the copy to others? Oddly enough, no, but you can lend them the original. Ultimatley, it boils down to have you paid for the license to use the game?

Music. Probaly a moot point thanks to the internet, as anybody can copy music as it is playing on a PC. Such as playing a song on youtube, or playlist.com, you can record it as it is playing. File sharing programs, everyone knows about these, and these are the ones people police. Some college kids have been fined for using these.

So recording music like this is the same as recording off the radio.
However, we are talking Legal, (Even though it is extremely unlikely this method will get you caught, in fact I have no idea if it was ever made illegal to copy music off the radio.)
But, the point is, you never paid for the music. Again though, you are allowed to backup the music for personal use. Myself, I copy every CD I get, then use the copy and leave the original in the case.

Films. Now this is an area that is fuzzy. This argument extends back to when the Betamax and VHS players were released. In the end, the courts ruled people can record whatever they want for personal use only. Aside from sport shows. In fact it is still legal to copy a VHS tape of a film, on to another.

Now everything changed with the Digital Age. Any movie that is still in theatres, and not been released on DVD, is illegal to own. When released on DVD, Purchase the DVD, and you purchase a license. Again, you are allowed to copy for a personal backup. Again, you are allowed to load out the original, but not the copy.

As for Television. Recording off TV has been Legal since Betamax, so you can watch it at a later time. For some reason, they expect you to watch it only once. Same with films that are broadcast on TV.

For the most part, try to remain legal, but the vast majority of us have commited piracy in one form or another.

What it boils down to, aside from it being legal, is this. If you had a million dollars, would you still pay for it?
 

timmytom1

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Interesting..... you`d think that most modern governments would be looking to tie up all these loose legal ends
 

Kollega

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I do have one thing with piracy to trip over. You see,i live in a backwater country,and it's impossible to walk into the store and buy,say,old Ratchet & Clank games,or Leslie Nilsen films like Spy Hard,because no shop sells these!

As for the music,i don't buy it,and don't pirate it. At all.
 

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I'd save my million dollars to start a business or invest in something that could create some form of profitable return.
Media spreads almost uncontrollably, because of the inherent human nature commonly referred to as "the need to know."
As long as people want to know, they'll find a way to get it anyway they can.
 

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CrysisMcGee said:
Avaholic03 said:
That's a ton of misinformation you managed to fit into a single post.
Misinformation? What do you mean?
For example, it's not legal to backup a movie you bought. That's a common misconception. Also, if you're going to make all those claims, you should cite any legal precedents or news articles that back you up. Otherwise you're just talking out your ass.
 

CrysisMcGee

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Avaholic03 said:
CrysisMcGee said:
Avaholic03 said:
That's a ton of misinformation you managed to fit into a single post.
Misinformation? What do you mean?
For example, it's not legal to backup a movie you bought. That's a common misconception. Also, if you're going to make all those claims, you should cite any legal precedents or news articles that back you up. Otherwise you're just talking out your ass.
It's not legal to backup a movie you bought?
Really? Then why is it legal to sell software that does just that? In fact, when using DVDxcopy, It asks you if you are backing up this film for personal use. IT asks you if this is a borrowed or rental, and will close if you say yes.

For another argument, at the beginning,
http://www.connectedhomemag.com/HomeTheater/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=47021
 

Nmil-ek

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Avaholic03 said:
CrysisMcGee said:
Avaholic03 said:
That's a ton of misinformation you managed to fit into a single post.
Misinformation? What do you mean?
For example, it's not legal to backup a movie you bought. That's a common misconception. Also, if you're going to make all those claims, you should cite any legal precedents or news articles that back you up. Otherwise you're just talking out your ass.
US copyright laws =/= the rest of the worlds.
 

Berethond

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Nmil-ek said:
Avaholic03 said:
CrysisMcGee said:
Avaholic03 said:
That's a ton of misinformation you managed to fit into a single post.
Misinformation? What do you mean?
For example, it's not legal to backup a movie you bought. That's a common misconception. Also, if you're going to make all those claims, you should cite any legal precedents or news articles that back you up. Otherwise you're just talking out your ass.
US copyright laws =/= the rest of the worlds.
Actually, almost all copyright laws are the same internationally.
 

zombflux

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It's illegal. Whether or not it should be illegal is another story, there are hundreds of laws that I could argue should not be laws, but I don't, because laws only matter if you plan on getting caught or if you think that the law is the definition of right/wrong.

The fact is, these people made something, they put time and effort and (maybe) creativity into something and they expect reward. Even if you think the price is silly or unfair, it doesn't matter. If you make a macaroni necklace and want to sell it for seven million dollars, no one will fucking buy it, but you'd still probably be a little annoyed if someone went and stole it from you. Pirating = stealing, don't try to sugar-coat it just because it's easier and you can get away with it.

All this aside, I have nothing against stealing.
 

jim_doki

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Hello again!

CrysisMcGee said:
Arrrr!....Okay this isn't a guide to doing something illegal so much as it is when you are doing something that won't hold up in court.

Games. You bought it, as long as you still currently own it, or Lost it, which makes that copy still yours, You are free to back up, copy, or download for your own personal use. Such as if you break it. Are you allowed for lending the copy to others? Oddly enough, no, but you can lend them the original. Ultimatley, it boils down to have you paid for the license to use the game?
ok, this isn't TECHNICALLY true. The exact terms of the licence vary, but more often than not they say you can make ONE copy of the game for personal use. The legal argument is that in case the original disk gets damaged (or stolen or lost or whatever) you have a backup. there is no mention of a download anywhere on most storebought computer programs. Owning something doesn't give you the right to download it.


CrysisMcGee said:
Music. Probaly a moot point thanks to the internet, as anybody can copy music as it is playing on a PC. Such as playing a song on youtube, or playlist.com, you can record it as it is playing. File sharing programs, everyone knows about these, and these are the ones people police. Some college kids have been fined for using these.

So recording music like this is the same as recording off the radio.
However, we are talking Legal, (Even though it is extremely unlikely this method will get you caught, in fact I have no idea if it was ever made illegal to copy music off the radio.)
But, the point is, you never paid for the music. Again though, you are allowed to backup the music for personal use. Myself, I copy every CD I get, then use the copy and leave the original in the case.
You are crossing a few grey areas here. Strictly speaking recording songs from the radio is illegal. this is one of the reasons blank cassettes have a surcharge which goes to the record label. Essentially they've come to an agreement in that they accept that songs are gonna get taped off the radio regardless, and have comprimised that some of the medium sold goes to help recoup losses. The problem with this is a lot of singles, which is more or less what you hear on the radio, are given away for free by the label or the band. Singles aren't meant to make money, they are essentially advertising for the album. this is why i have no problem downloading anything I hear on commercial radio. That doesn't make it legal tho.

CrysisMcGee said:
Films. Now this is an area that is fuzzy. This argument extends back to when the Betamax and VHS players were released. In the end, the courts ruled people can record whatever they want for personal use only. Aside from sport shows. In fact it is still legal to copy a VHS tape of a film, on to another.

Now everything changed with the Digital Age. Any movie that is still in theatres, and not been released on DVD, is illegal to own. When released on DVD, Purchase the DVD, and you purchase a license. Again, you are allowed to copy for a personal backup. Again, you are allowed to load out the original, but not the copy.
The film thing isn't as fuzzy as you think. Essentially all you need to understand is that you are "buying" a licence to see the movie. This includes paying 10 bucks to see a movie once, paying thirty bucks for the dvd to see it as many times as you want, or buying a can of coke to watch the film on tv. There is nothing in that licence that allows you to copy the film, ever. There is no backup or personal use for films, it's all illegal.

CrysisMcGee said:
As for Television. Recording off TV has been Legal since Betamax, so you can watch it at a later time. For some reason, they expect you to watch it only once. Same with films that are broadcast on TV.

For the most part, try to remain legal, but the vast majority of us have commited piracy in one form or another.

What it boils down to, aside from it being legal, is this. If you had a million dollars, would you still pay for it?
Again, this is very similar to the radio issue above. Taping things off tv is still a very legally grey area. Taping things off the TV is strictly speaking illegal, but again, everybody does it. The reason we get away with it is because there are still plenty of people buying TV on DVD, and not a lot of people are watching TV these days. There is a good chance that TV is going to die soon, but the people who work in it will just make direct to DVD shows, possibly installment based, similar to the Half Life series