Kinda curious why you would chime in if you weren't familiar with the material, but I won't judge. Basically someone is going out of their way to make a character that's incredibly broken so they can take the spotlight from everyone else and make the game all about them and everyone else gets pushed aside as a result. He's wanting to do everything without regard to the fact he has 4 other people he's pretty much sucking the fun away from.Dr. Pepper Unlimited said:
I was responding to someone else on this thread. That would be my reasoning for "chiming in".Jitters Caffeine said:
Don't have to get bent out of shape, just thought it was a weird thing to do.Dr. Pepper Unlimited said:
Luckily the issue was discussed and has just about been resolved. He's in the process of remaking his class and is making sure the DM signs off on everything before proceeding.Caramel Frappe said:
Fun fact the reason the first season of Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters is like that is because Kazuki Takahashi was more familiar with RPG's, so he essentially wrote the card game like an RPG where you just make crap up as you go along. In fact, he did an RPG mini-arc prior to this in the manga and the final arc is all just one elaborate RPG. Yu-Gi-Oh! is really more about RPG's than card games, well at least in the original manga.Jitters Caffeine said:
Sounds like you have a metagamer/min-maxer on your hands. And it sounds like your GM should toughen up, I'm afraid to say. Every tabletop RPG group I've been in in the last twenty years have treated min-maxing in pretty much the same way - as a punishable offence. Warnings followed by level drains followed by suspension followed by banning from the group. Min-maxers spoil the game for everyone else (as you've discovered), turning a roleplaying game into an exploit ridden numbers-fest. Your GM needs to address this behavior before it becomes habit.Jitters Caffeine said:
It's a big problem for me personally, because I specifically DON'T want our game to be an MMO style game that's all about how high your numbers can get. I want people to make characters that make sense. He KNOWS his character is going to break combat, that's what he's TRYING to do. He's trying to be a fucking flying gorilla person now, and I'm just about fed up with it.Grouchy Imp said:
This may sound harsh fella but I'd boot him if he were in my group, friend or no. I suppose the complication you have is that if no rules were set in place regarding the penalties for min/maxing before he made this broken character then by seeming to invent rules partway through a campaign you risk making him feel victimised. If it were me in that situation I'd take him quietly to one side and explain the situation; allow him to re-work his character, changing skills and feats so as to unbreak his character. If he still responds negatively to this, refusing to do so and continuing to try and meta game his character, then maybe you need to take the view that he will always be a disruptive force in your group and restructure your group accordingly - by which I mean boot him.Jitters Caffeine said:
Unfortunately, we DO need his role filled. We NEED a Striker who can kill people easy, which is what he wanted to be. But he just took it WAY too far.Grouchy Imp said:
Nah, stuff like that just breeds distrust between players and the DM and can absolutely RUIN future campaigns if everyone is afraid of dying at the whim of the DMSmeggs said:
Like I say, just have the GM take him to one side and explain that he's taken things too far and needs to bring things back a bit. If he's genuinely interested in the success of the group he'll fall in line. If he still kicks up a fuss there are things that can be done but as I mentioned they will most likely make him feel victimised. One example that springs to mind is because you mentioned he has a thing for selecting goofy races; well there are level adjustments for unusual races, perhaps increase the standard level adjustments for unusual races by one or two levels. He might like playing flying raptor death machines to begin with, but if he's constantly three or four levels behind all of the normal players in the group my bet is that he'll soon get bored and eventually opt to play more conventional characters like everyone else.Jitters Caffeine said:
He's INCREDIBLY careful about picking races that don't have level adjustments. He scours every book possible just so he can make sure his numbers are the highest possible, of course at the expense of a character that makes any goddamn sense. Luckily, the issue has been discussed with everyone involved, and with a little arguing with our DM, he's agreed to talk to the guy in question about not being such a min/maxing shitberg.Grouchy Imp said:
That's some good news at least. With any luck that should help sort things out.Jitters Caffeine said:
His new rule is each person can use the Core Books and no more than two tertiary source booksGrouchy Imp said:
Most prestige classes only require a +5 BAB, if you're an attacking class you'll have that at 5 no problem.Jaythulhu said:
I see. My group has only ever played Forgotten Realms in D&D, aside from a brief dalliance with dragonlance in 2nd ed, and a couple of planescape campaigns. All the FR prestige classes have pre-reqs that take a bit of dedication to aquire.Jitters Caffeine said:
I assume one of you has his wings nailed to their shield?
Don't invite him for 2 game sessions, and have someone else run his character as a hireling. Tell him why. If he's still being an utter knobchugger of a player after that, it's best to bounce him and find someone who hasn't gotten all his gaming experiences playing single-player video games. Powermunchkins tend to shatter gaming groups if that's not the style of the rest of the group.
