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Hey yknow the riddler right and how hes a hard batman character to tackle and such.
Well I was reading the new dc new 52 batman with mr freeze and they changed up his origin a bit
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Nora fries is not actually his wife and he also had traumatic past event with his mom that sort of made him cold and detached from the world. I thought this was cool and made sense.
The I thought how the riddler needs to come back and well how about this:
The riddler was born an autistic child
he had very bad social skills and it was very hard to communicate
Though his mother found that he loved riddles and word games and playing with his toys in very particular way, most notably making rube goldberg-esque situations and also being elaborate with dominoes. He communicated very little other than with his mother and would spend hours playing with toys.

His father never liked or wanted him but his mother loved him dearly, he knew both their feelings but had a hard time with emotion as he didnt quite understand them.

Already in a strained relationship the father seeks solace in another woman. One day Ed sees this as he is with his father and is angered by the betrayal. The father taken aback by his son opening up as he didnt expect this from him beats him horrifically and repeatedly tells him to not tell his mom or he will beat him again. Ed recedes back in his shell more than ever, his mother wonders what is wrong but Ed cannot even though he wants too.
The affair continues and anger builds inside young nigma. One day during a game with his mom he he gives her a strange riddle that makes her become suspicious of her husband. She confronts him but he denies anything and says to think nothing of what nigma says, angering ed. Later while his mom is at work and his father is watching him, the other woman comes over. Furious ed steals his fathers phone, calls his mom but does not say anything but instead let her listen to the other two. She comes home immediately to confront them, ed is pleased by this, but the confrontation grows out of control. Eds father attacks him but his mom steps in, the father pushes his mother who thenhits her neck on a table she is comatose.
In the hospital she eventually dies. Ed with this loss has lost his only window into the world and the only person he loved and loved him. His father does not care and only complains about hospital bills. All ed can think about is revenge on his father.
Ed puts on an act to lead his father into the garage. When he enters he sets off a trap that kills him to look like an accident. Nigma is pleased. Authorities soon arrive after calls from worried neighbors only to find nigma playin with his toys an his father dead in the garage.
Nigma is taken by police to be moved into care and while at the station playing happily with his toys when he notices a boy crying. He offers him a toy but the boy does not respond, ed does not understand as toys usually make him content. Ed offers until the boy eventually takes it and they play for a short time. The two play in silence until officer gordon tells the other boy a man has come to take him home. Ed doesnt want him to stop playing but is told he has to go. Ed asks for the boys name which he gives, Bruce.

Ed is sent into foster care and has a rough life with other. He doesnt form any real relationships but becomes good with computers and does very well at school. He reflects on the days of riddles with his mom, ridding himself of his father and the fun he had playing with bruce wayne. Poor and on his own he devises plans to gain wealth through scams and hacking. He gets great joy in this until one day the police catches on to him. Riddler becomes aware of this and flees but before he does writes down something, a note and leaves it on his door. On the note is a riddle. Ed does not know why he did this but grins heavily then leaves.

Many instances later, commissioner gordon gives a file to the batman filled to the brim with riddles. Batman looks these over and finds when solved they give locations, actions and insults.
Batman takes the case and heads out to find the man.

Eventually he finds him, the riddler is shocked, angered and in disbelief. But also he is happy that someone solved his riddle and found him.
Batman wishes to take him in and the riddler agrees. The riddler stares at the batman, studying him. He must know who he is. In jail, locked up, the riddlers obsession grows. He begins to act crazy, threatens staff(all an act). He is moved to arkham where he will devise a plan of escape.
what dyu think?
 

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I actually don't like the new Mister Freeze origin. It turns him from a sympathetic villain (who, if any of you have a lover you'd do anything for, can relate to even if he does evil acts). The new Mister Freeze is just some creepy stalker.

As for your new Riddler origin, the family history is a bit... much. The playing with Bruce Wayne seems almost arbitrary, and I especially don't like the idea of Batman just being handed a case file of all these riddles. The Riddler challenges Batman specifically because he's called the "World's Greatest Detective." He wants to challenge Batman himself because if he manages to outsmart Batman, he really can prove himself to be the smartest person alive.

I feel as though the Riddler doesn't need much of a backstory (He barely has one as is). All I see him as is an obsessed genius with a wild quirk who wants to beat The World's Greatest DetectiveTM. And that's all he needs to be for me.
 

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I've always liked the idea of the Riddler being like of the "brains" from shows like Bones or Lie to Me. I think that it would be much more interesting if he were someone who was contracted by the FBI or something like that to profile criminals which Batman most definitely is. In this vision I have, The Riddler isn't crazy, he is just a normal genius who so happens to enjoy a good riddle now and then, in large part to, in a way, assert or remind other people of his intellectual dominance over others. He spends so much time playing cat and mouse with Batman that it begins to drive him to the point where he becomes obsessed with finding out who Batman is, and beating him through his intellect. He begins to commit criminal acts so as to draw Batman out but the more and more he does it, the more he realizes that this is what his intellect would be better used for, not to mention he can continue to do battle with Batman.

We don't need all this autism crap, it just adds a layer that feels forced. I think that the Riddler would be better if he was the inadvertent result of Batman's vigilantism, as I think that as with all Batman villains, there needs to be a certain flaw of Batman to make the character really belong in the world.
 

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AngelOfBlueRoses said:
I actually don't like the new Mister Freeze origin. It turns him from a sympathetic villain (who, if any of you have a lover you'd do anything for, can relate to even if he does evil acts). The new Mister Freeze is just some creepy stalker.

As for your new Riddler origin, the family history is a bit... much. The playing with Bruce Wayne seems almost arbitrary, and I especially don't like the idea of Batman just being handed a case file of all these riddles. The Riddler challenges Batman specifically because he's called the "World's Greatest Detective." He wants to challenge Batman himself because if he manages to outsmart Batman, he really can prove himself to be the smartest person alive.

I feel as though the Riddler doesn't need much of a backstory (He barely has one as is). All I see him as is an obsessed genius with a wild quirk who wants to beat The World's Greatest DetectiveTM. And that's all he needs to be for me.
The one mr. freeze with his wife nora wasnt his original origin though. It was from batman the animated series which was then adopted as it was better and it made him sad. While that was okay, it doesnt give him a real reason to be a villain. I prfer the new one where he just a cold detached human whos slightly crazy and hope it stays.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
Fell into a vat of radioactive questions.
Riddle me this
Why cant a superman win just one game, rock, paper, scissors, when batman always picks the same???
let me know if u needz hint.
 

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CODE-D said:
Kahunaburger said:
Fell into a vat of radioactive questions.
Riddle me this
Why cant a superman win just one game, rock, paper, scissors, when batman always picks the same???
let me know if u needz hint.
Because Batman always picks Kryptonite? I dunno haha.
 

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CODE-D said:
AngelOfBlueRoses said:
I actually don't like the new Mister Freeze origin. It turns him from a sympathetic villain (who, if any of you have a lover you'd do anything for, can relate to even if he does evil acts). The new Mister Freeze is just some creepy stalker.

As for your new Riddler origin, the family history is a bit... much. The playing with Bruce Wayne seems almost arbitrary, and I especially don't like the idea of Batman just being handed a case file of all these riddles. The Riddler challenges Batman specifically because he's called the "World's Greatest Detective." He wants to challenge Batman himself because if he manages to outsmart Batman, he really can prove himself to be the smartest person alive.

I feel as though the Riddler doesn't need much of a backstory (He barely has one as is). All I see him as is an obsessed genius with a wild quirk who wants to beat The World's Greatest DetectiveTM. And that's all he needs to be for me.
The one mr. freeze with his wife nora wasnt his original origin though. It was from batman the animated series which was then adopted as it was better and it made him sad. While that was okay, it doesnt give him a real reason to be a villain. I prfer the new one where he just a cold detached human whos slightly crazy and hope it stays.
I think it gives him the perfect reason to be a villain. It's the same as the question on morality that's posed to developing children. The question is: If a person's lover was dying from something medical-related and they were too poor to afford treatment, would it be alright to steal either the drugs that would be used to heal the person or steal the money used to pay for treatment? (the question is sometimes worded differently.) Most children will answer "No, because stealing's wrong." As a person gets older, though, you'll find that it changes. More people will say, "No, but I completely understand why they would do that." or "I would probably do it if I were in that situation."

And that's why Mister Freeze's character appeals to me and other fans so much. He would do anything to help his wife, to make sure she gets better, but the problem is that he can't do it through legal means anymore. He loves her enough, though his aims are misguided and have twisted him, that he will literally do anything and everything to make sure she can get better. Everyone loves a tragic romance.
 

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Kahunaburger said:
CODE-D said:
Kahunaburger said:
Fell into a vat of radioactive questions.
Riddle me this
Why cant a superman win just one game, rock, paper, scissors, when batman always picks the same???
let me know if u needz hint.
Because Batman always picks Kryptonite? I dunno haha.
......damn, first answer....
Well yeah he picks rock and its kryptonite.

Now im mad....mad enough to commit crimes and.... come up with better riddles.
 

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AngelOfBlueRoses said:
CODE-D said:
AngelOfBlueRoses said:
I actually don't like the new Mister Freeze origin. It turns him from a sympathetic villain (who, if any of you have a lover you'd do anything for, can relate to even if he does evil acts). The new Mister Freeze is just some creepy stalker.

As for your new Riddler origin, the family history is a bit... much. The playing with Bruce Wayne seems almost arbitrary, and I especially don't like the idea of Batman just being handed a case file of all these riddles. The Riddler challenges Batman specifically because he's called the "World's Greatest Detective." He wants to challenge Batman himself because if he manages to outsmart Batman, he really can prove himself to be the smartest person alive.

I feel as though the Riddler doesn't need much of a backstory (He barely has one as is). All I see him as is an obsessed genius with a wild quirk who wants to beat The World's Greatest DetectiveTM. And that's all he needs to be for me.
The one mr. freeze with his wife nora wasnt his original origin though. It was from batman the animated series which was then adopted as it was better and it made him sad. While that was okay, it doesnt give him a real reason to be a villain. I prfer the new one where he just a cold detached human whos slightly crazy and hope it stays.
I think it gives him the perfect reason to be a villain. It's the same as the question on morality that's posed to developing children. The question is: If a person's lover was dying from something medical-related and they were too poor to afford treatment, would it be alright to steal either the drugs that would be used to heal the person or steal the money used to pay for treatment? (the question is sometimes worded differently.) Most children will answer "No, because stealing's wrong." As a person gets older, though, you'll find that it changes. More people will say, "No, but I completely understand why they would do that." or "I would probably do it if I were in that situation."

And that's why Mister Freeze's character appeals to me and other fans so much. He would do anything to help his wife, to make sure she gets better, but the problem is that he can't do it through legal means anymore. He loves her enough, though his aims are misguided and have twisted him, that he will literally do anything and everything to make sure she can get better. Everyone loves a tragic romance.
yeah but its not good for a long lasting villain because eventually she either has to die or get better and then hes just motivated by anger and I dont think that fits his cold motif.