A nostalgic question
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Speaking as someone who is a child of the late 80's early 90's... those 60's people have a very valid point. "Their" music was faaaarrrr superior to the 70's disco cringeworthy "music," the cold synthesized early electronica of the lame 80's, and today's meaningless factory-generated pop. There were without question gems within all of that (even some disco was ok), and I find some portion of the 1990's could stand toe-to-toe with the 60's... but it's not "durrrr nostalga is dumb, old people suck huh-yup."Launcelot111 said:
It's that there is a finite amount of time between true innovations in music (or any medium of entertainment really) and that moment when folks realize "that's just a lame attempt at being _______" (fill in the blank with whomever the "new" artist is ripping off the most.)
You can actually rip off a music style and as long as you are good and talented enough... there's nothing wrong with success in that regard. Look at Gaga, the same kind of glam/bubblegum pop that's hasn't been new since the late 70's. Not the kind of thing I like, but there's talent and work there and I won't begrudge success just because I don't like that kind of music. Looking in on the same genre though... Katy Perry? Every single note autotuned and highly edited and processed. The same as her shotgun makeup-ed and botoxed into a single-expression mask of a face? That's somehow popular? How? If you can't tell what she sounds like or what she even looks like, how do we know if there's any talent?
Or even getting into a genre I like, rock. Can anyone really favorably compare someone like Nickelback (the most boring, generic rock sound ever) to any of the 60's bands that defined rock and roll (Stones, Beatles, ELO... that crowd.) No, but that doesn't mean that rock isn't and CAN'T evolve or even be just done very well now. There just has to be some ("real" or "more", pick one) talent there. System of a Down, Avenged Sevenfold... some artists "get it" and do it right. But it takes real talent. Innovation doesn't require as much talent really, because you are defining a style. The Sex Pistols were on the front side of Punk. Are they the musicians that say even... Green Day are? Doesn't really seem like it.
What the 60's had was a change of popular styles of music that hasn't happened to such a large degree since. That does not mean that "good music can't be made these days." But it does mean that you either have to innovate, or perfect a style to be considered better than just "a lame copy."
I can't wait until it does, so I can tell my children that they listen to shit music. That's only if they don't take in my teachings about awesome music.Endocrom said:
Absolutely. I especially act like a grumpy old man craving the nostalgia of the "olden days". Oddly enough, it should be the 90's since that's when I was a kid but somehow I feel a strong connection to the 80's since I grew up watching movies from the 50s-90s.