A Perpetual Motion Machine!!!!!!!!

[slimeonline]

In Ireland apparently a perpetual motion machine has been discovered/engineered about 5 year ago!!

It got $3,000,000 of backing and for a small nominal fee of only $530 you can look at their awesome design at http://www.steorn.com/

Wow.........

 

[Marter]

I thought that the patent office wouldn't even look at perpetual motion machines.

I'll believe it when it makes real news sources.

 

[slimeonline]

I'll believe it when it makes real news sources.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/07/06/energy-steorn-magnets-tech-cx_bc_0705invention.html

 

[Tireseas_v1legacy]

Perpetual motion machines are impossible simply by the nature of Newton's three laws. While those laws have been broken under very specific circumstances (mainly nuclear fission), they still hold.

 

[The Hairminator]

Hah! I think not. No breaking against the law of conservation of energy on my watch, thank you.

Also, quoting from wikipedia:
Steorn challenged the scientific community to investigate their claim and, in December 2006, said that it had chosen a jury of scientists to do so. In June 2009 the jury gave its unanimous verdict that Steorn had not demonstrated the production of energy.

Reading through their wikipedia page it seems they have said they can produce more energy than they use on more than one occasion, although they have never scientifically proven they can (in fact, failed to do so multiple times), and since all laws of known science are against them I have come to the conclusion that they just want people to pay for their fantasy physics. People do not want to pay to see 'development cycles', that's not how it works at all. You develop something, and then make money from the dazzled crowds. I don't believe a word that idiot says.

They don't even say how it'd work, just throw general terms at us. NOTE: Nowhere in the video does he say he have a complete Perpetual Motion Machine, just that they can show people developement details through the SKDB. What a complete moron.

 

[Axolotl]

Perpetual motion machines are impossible simply by the nature of Newton's three laws. While those laws have been broken under very specific circumstances (mainly nuclear fission), they still hold.

Don't you mean the three laws of Thermodynamics rather than Newton's laws?

Also not only are Perpetual Motion Machines impossible if one were invented it would be utterly useless.

 

[Tireseas_v1legacy]

Perpetual motion machines are impossible simply by the nature of Newton's three laws. While those laws have been broken under very specific circumstances (mainly nuclear fission), they still hold.

Don't you mean the three laws of Thermodynamics rather than Newton's laws?

Right, right... Physics was never my strong suit...

Point is, such a device cannot exist.

 

[The Hairminator]

Perpetual motion machines are impossible simply by the nature of Newton's three laws. While those laws have been broken under very specific circumstances (mainly nuclear fission), they still hold.

Don't you mean the three laws of Thermodynamics rather than Newton's laws?

Right, right... Physics was never my strong suit...

Point is, such a device cannot exist.

Well, that would certainly crush our view of the world as it is today. You shouldn't say "can't". It is, however, highly unlikely. I described why in my other post.

 

[Blueruler182]

Christ, that news threat you posted made me stop believing you. The magic stop button to all our energy problems? Not possible. I doubt our energy problems will end any time soon, but it would be slow going. One machine that does everything? No, not likely. Oh, and the scientific reason that everyone mentioned above.

 

[Quaxar]

A widely unknown fact is that I have constructed a perpetual motion machine once. It runs on people's gullibility.

 

[crudus]

I thought that the patent office wouldn't even look at perpetual motion machines.

I'll believe it when it makes real news sources.

Actually, you can get a charge to go infinitely around a superconductor because the resistance is zero. You just can't get anything out of it. I am sorry I don't have any news sources. I am just relaying what I heard from 3-4 physics grad students.

In Ireland apparently a perpetual motion machine has been discovered/engineered about 5 year ago!!

"only 2 things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity. I am not sure about the former" -Albert Einstein

 

[soilent]

A widely unknown fact is that I have constructed a perpetual motion machine once. It runs on people's gullibility.

OMG REALLY?!

 

[SnipErlite]

Yeah the guy in that video is clearly bs'ing.

I am of the belief that nothing we say is impossible is actually impossible. But perpetual motion.........errhhhhh, no. There will ALWAYS be resistive forces of some kind on any system.

 

[Shru1kan]

Air resistance, gravity, and friction between parts make this impossible. Make me a machine in a 100% vacuum, 100% anti gravity, and NONE of the parts that move touch each other.

Oh, and there's energy loss with natural wires. So give me something that has absolutely no resistance, and make it into wires. If memory serves silver at 0 degrees kelvin comes close, but not close enough to be even attempted (that is, if you can make a temperature that arguably might not exist (where it is so cold that all molecular movement ceases)).

And yes, I've had this debate many a time with many a person.

 

[The Hairminator]

Air resistance, gravity, and friction between parts make this impossible. Make me a machine in a 100% vacuum, 100% anti gravity, and NONE of the parts that move touch each other.

Oh, and there's energy loss with natural wires. So give me something that has absolutely no resistance, and make it into wires. If memory serves silver at 0 degrees kelvin comes close, but not close enough to be even attempted (that is, if you can make a temperature that arguably might not exist (where it is so cold that all molecular movement ceases)).

And yes, I've had this debate many a time with many a person.

Even in your favorable conditions there would be no actual gain of energy, just no loss.

 

[willard14]

sorry to bump this thread.. but i just need to say in response to all this. nothing is impossible. when i say that, i'm not talking about humans. humans may never achieve perpetual motion. but that does not mean it is not possible. just take a moment to think of our small planet. there are quite a few anomalies right under our noses. now broaden your view to our small solar system. compare that with the galaxy. and the galaxy with the universe. and the universe quite possibly among OTHER universes (though not yet proven). there is so much out there that we could never dream of. so many materials that we don't know exist. materials that may have very special properties. how do you explain every exception to the laws of thermodynamics?... now tell me that anything is impossible. laws are made to be broken. the 3 laws of thermodynamics were made based on observation and conclusions drawn from those observations. how can we state that anything is impossible simply b/c these laws state that its not possible. we haven't even scratched the surface on true science. i'm not saying that perpetual motion is possible. i'm merely making it clear that you can't just say something is impossible based on the laws of thermodynamics(which again are simply OUR conclusions on OUR observations[which have been very limited]).

**these laws were made so that we could progress and advance in understanding of the way our physical universe acts; not so that we exclude ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that doesn't fit into our definition of the universe. they should be expanded or even changed as we learn more about everything.

 

[Vault101]

My brother thourght he could create perpetual motion with a pipe and some marbles

yeah he was very bored that day

 

[FalloutJack]

In Ireland apparently a perpetual motion machine has been discovered/engineered about 5 year ago!!

It got $3,000,000 of backing and for a small nominal fee of only $530 you can look at their awesome design at http://www.steorn.com/

Wow.........

Go Ireland!

*Is Irish, natch*

 

[Anarchemitis]

High levels of efficiency can be achieved, but never pure and true perpetual motion.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

High levels of efficiency can be achieved, but never pure and true perpetual motion.

Perpetual motion is, all told, a relatively trivial thing to achieve in the theoretical sense. All you need to do is ensure the system in motion never does any work (i.e. never transfers any energy outside of the system). While this is all but impossible to achieve (completely isolating the system from outside influence is impossible but you can get very very close) in reality this point gives us an interesting fact. If you want your machine to do anything useful, it will have to transfer energy outside of the system. This means the system is going to lose energy as a result meaning that, if you want it to keep going, you're going to have to provide a means of adding energy to the system.

The laws of thermodynamics do not outlaw perpetual motion; they only outlaw perpetual useful motion.