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A Person Uses Transgender Law To Expose Gender Discrimination
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Well it probably still doesn't balance out the gender pay gap anyway. Oh and there is the tampon tax due to apparently being considered a luxury item to our right-wing government; shock-fucking-horror there. I wonder how bitter he is that ladies generally get more free drinks on nights out. Whatever will he do to prove to us all of this terrible hypocritical injustice? I am on the edge of my seat in anticipation. If you hate women, why do you claim you want to be one? Hmm. Meanwhile, might I suggest a little counseling? That bee in the bonnet has built a nest it seems.
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Yeah but that marketing exists because venues weren't getting enough female customers. At least I know many places like that, maybe its a where you live deal. But yeah, low female turnouts due to the interactions at these events. So incentivations to get women to take the plunge.
We've got a new civil rights hero now... you can move aside Rosa Parks. (that joke works in two ways)
1. Gender dysphoria and the right to be accepted as your chosen gender doesn't work like that, they checked his license and it said "male" therefore he is legally male. This is the kind of misunderstanding that arises when your view of gender dysphoria and transgender rights isn't from psychologists, law-makers or experienced experts but from right-wing bloggers reposting the dumbest sounding comments they found after hours of trawling tumblr and twitter.
2. Discount pricing for women technically is sexist and I think you may have a chance arguing that it is unlawfully discriminatory if you didn't act like a totally clueless hateful fuckwit in the process.
This feels vaguely similar to a situation in the UK where there used to be a company called "Sheila's Wheels" that only offered car insurance to women [since women are safer drivers and have fewer accidents on average] and that is no longer allowed... and insurance companies now can't use gender as a factor when calculating insurance premiums.
3. The discount pricing is less about "female privilege" and more about balancing out the fact that women get harassed groped and risk being date-raped. Without the discount pricing fewer women would turn up, which means that fewer men would turn up as well and the event fails to make a decent profit.
1. Gender dysphoria and the right to be accepted as your chosen gender doesn't work like that, they checked his license and it said "male" therefore he is legally male. This is the kind of misunderstanding that arises when your view of gender dysphoria and transgender rights isn't from psychologists, law-makers or experienced experts but from right-wing bloggers reposting the dumbest sounding comments they found after hours of trawling tumblr and twitter.
2. Discount pricing for women technically is sexist and I think you may have a chance arguing that it is unlawfully discriminatory if you didn't act like a totally clueless hateful fuckwit in the process.
This feels vaguely similar to a situation in the UK where there used to be a company called "Sheila's Wheels" that only offered car insurance to women [since women are safer drivers and have fewer accidents on average] and that is no longer allowed... and insurance companies now can't use gender as a factor when calculating insurance premiums.
3. The discount pricing is less about "female privilege" and more about balancing out the fact that women get harassed groped and risk being date-raped. Without the discount pricing fewer women would turn up, which means that fewer men would turn up as well and the event fails to make a decent profit.
Horner has a fact. He does not have a point. Ladies' Night is sexist, but they're approximately as sexist against women as they are against men, since the goal of such a thing is to attract lots of women as a selling point for the bar ("Hey guys! Pussy inside! Inquire within!"), which he doesn't even consider. If he had a genuine point about such pricing being a violation of the ERA, then the method of approach is to take the law to court, not to spout transphobic garbage about how he feels like a woman "in this moment" that buries any validity beneath a mountain-sized grudge he has against women.KissingSunlight said:
If he sincerely thinks there is a sexist problem in Las Vegas that needs to be addressed, then he is the sloppiest, most useless shitminstrel of an advocate for thinking this childish outburst is the way to expose it.
I'm trans so I can say with quite a bit of authority that's not how being trans works in the real world. In support groups and close inter personal situations the claim might be enough, but in general practice if you claim to be trans, but aren't presenting as the sex opposite the one you were assigned at birth. If you just claim to be trans to get "special benefits of trans status", without doing anything else to show it, you're rightly going to get called out on that shit. Claiming to be trans when you're not trans is a transphobic tactic of invalidating trans identites after all. Also trans people don't switch pronouns, or expect to be treated as they wish, until they start transition and present as the gender they identify as at least part time. Further more unless that person is full time, they don't expect to be respected as the gender they identify as, unless they're presenting as the gender they identify as at the time.LysanderNemoinis said:
Also DNA? Well there's strong evidence that transgenderism has genetic factors, so a genetic, or DNA argument is out the window. Biology? Well considering how transgenderism is physically identifiable in the brain, by a person having physical neurological structures of the gender they identify as, not the sex they physically are. Also reducing someone to their sexual anatomy is total sexism rooted in in the concept that all men are sexual predators and all women are helpless. Genitals don't define a person's personality, the brain does, that means what the brain says about who a person is is what matters. Lived experience? The majority of trans people know we're trans from a very young age, many live a lie about themselves for years, or decades, depending on when they transition. Also the assumption you made here totally ignores people like me, who transitioned durin childhood. I didn't have decades of living as a male for decades, I started social transitioning at age 5.
Yeah basically, the assumptions in Lysander's posts are rooted in cissexism and transphobia... And really because these sorts of biases are always targeted at trans women, it's also transmisogyny.TheLaughingMagician said:
OT: So the guy doesn't even attempt to look like he's in transition, demands special treatment, and is known misogynist... Yeah that's pretty typical of an internet slacktavist MRA/Redpill bigot...
Also ladies night promotions aren't sexist, they're demographic marketing that works as follows: Demographically men spend more in bars, men go to bars with more women in them, bars give women a special deal for free, or cheap drinks to attract women... More women in the bar attracts more men who spend more money on average. That's not sexism, it's basic economics.
The guy exploiting protections for transgender people to make a point that's meaningless and sexist on his part... Yeah he's not just an insensitive troll, what he's doing is criminal fraud, because he's defrauding the state's law on protections that don't apply to him. He needs to be charged with a crime for that, it's a misdemeanor, but it's still more than just trolling, it's criminal fraud.
All I can really take away from this is, transgender law is pretty complicated. Law isn't something I spend much time thinking about, but this sounds like a sign that people will need ways to legally identify themselves as a particular gender, otherwise, transgender law can be freely exploited by anyone.
Actually transgender legal protections are insanely difficult to abuse, while the people who abuse them do such as blatant false flag political move... There really isn't any incentive to abuse trans protections in the law. For instance trans bathroom access laws don't make peeping in a public restroom any less illegal, there are already people who peep int their own restrooms, and trans people are easy to identify in these situations. No trans person who hasn't transitioned is going to have the need to, or will, use trans protections, that means any trans person who needs to be verified is transitioning, or has transitioned. Which in turn means there is a medical and often legal record of the transition, which means proving transness is rather easy. Gender non-conforming people are outliers, but also fairly easy to identify when evaluated.sageoftruth said:
Your idea is either throw the baby out with the bathwater in a way that hurts the most vulnerable in society, or anarchy... Which is unrealistic when there is a middle ground. That middle ground is to punish people who abuse the system, because they're not flipping hard to identify.
I haven't met anyone at a lady's night ever. That could be specific to bars (I don't drink) but everywhere I go that has a lady's night just seems pointless. I've had my heart ripped to shreds by a "won't work out" started by a chance meeting at a comic shop. My friend and I used to go to book stores together where we met a pair of women that did the same (still chat occasionally). These places had lady's/women's nights, but why would I be happy with someone who doesn't share my interests that was just lured out by discounts?
Unless all these places are counting on it just being alcohol leading to hookups in the creepy "you can't legally consent" way.
Unless all these places are counting on it just being alcohol leading to hookups in the creepy "you can't legally consent" way.
Well, if that's the case then I think this thread is officially concluded. I don't see any practical argument to be had from this incident other than the structural integrity of transgender law. My only question is, how do you legally prove that someone was abusing the system?KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
Well currently it's all false flag stuff, so you just point out that the abuser has done nothing to transition... As unfair as this will sound to my trans fellows on the forum, anyone who uses a trans protection, then breaks the law in that context, is also abusing the system. Luckily the vast majority of trans people are law abiding and use the protections properly. Just because a trans person can use the facilities that feel safest, or/and match the ones of their identity, doesn't make any illegal activity in those facilities more legal for them. Anyone who isn't trans who uses trans protections to abuse things like ladie's night... Well they haven't even tried to crossdress to make the point yet... Although attempting to abuse ladie's night isn't illegal, it's just a shitty thing to do. If said person filed a lawsuit because they were 'discriminated against', it'd be fairly easy to prove the case a frivolous abuse, by looking into their history.sageoftruth said:
Law is always complicated, but these things aren't that difficult to prove in court all considered.
Well, yeah. I mean, it's obviously sexist to charge differently based on gender.
Likewise, it'd be pretty racist to charge differently based on skin colour.
So, I do agree that this kinda stuff should really be shown the door.
Is this the guy to do it? Noooooope.
Likewise, it'd be pretty racist to charge differently based on skin colour.
So, I do agree that this kinda stuff should really be shown the door.
Is this the guy to do it? Noooooope.
Thanks for that. Looks like this guy's demonstration was pretty pointless then.KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
So, hold on, are you saying that "social justice advocates" are in favor of allowing people to just lie about their gender?
And that they don't think ladies' night is scummy?
I have a feeling that you don't actually listen to many actual "social justice advocates", but rather imperfect facsimiles of them created by people who hate them.
And that they don't think ladies' night is scummy?
I have a feeling that you don't actually listen to many actual "social justice advocates", but rather imperfect facsimiles of them created by people who hate them.
Really, getting cheap drinks at bars is a privilege?
It doesn't matter that a woman is four times more likely to be raped than a man, or that an entire wing of American politics wants to use them as little more than breeding stock, the real injustice is that some bars give women a discount. Feminism defeated, we can all go home now.
It doesn't matter that a woman is four times more likely to be raped than a man, or that an entire wing of American politics wants to use them as little more than breeding stock, the real injustice is that some bars give women a discount. Feminism defeated, we can all go home now.
That's a gross oversimplification of the situation.KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
Male and female brains are very similar. Why? Because we are all human.
Yes, there are some statistically significant variations between males and females and those have a statistical correlation with a person's gender identity, but to imply that means it's possible to test for someone's gender-identity by scanning their brain is utter nonsense.