A point I had never considered about sexism in gaming...is it really a valid point?

[FelixNZ]

The biggest problem with battle bunny riven, is that someone at riot does not seem to understand ankles. Her calf ends, and then there's just this, length of bone that just kinda becomes the foot, with no visible talus or tensed Achilles tendon that would occur from extending the foot like that. Also prevalent on pop-star Ahri.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

No it is not, it is a skin so it isn't canon this is like saying the Amumu skins are making light of bullying due to his tragic past. Also I'm fairly sure this was a community skin that was adopted into the game.

 

[Paragon Fury]

Does League of Legends even have a story, or just some basic info for each character?

League had a story. A decent one too. At least entertaining and fun at times.

Then they just jettisoned it before releasing the last character. Now so MUCH of the game doesn't make sense and is out of place. Sona is now a crazy lady talking to voices in her heard, half the characters talk to invisible random people, and Riot retconned the god damn name of the their game and their players out of existence.

 

[Cronenberg1]

The biggest problem with battle bunny riven, is that someone at riot does not seem to understand ankles. Her calf ends, and then there's just this, length of bone that just kinda becomes the foot, with no visible talus or tensed Achilles tendon that would occur from extending the foot like that. Also prevalent on pop-star Ahri.

Ok who gave Rob Liefeld a job at Riot?

 

[Angelblaze]

Umm... pretty sure the Battle Bunny skin is just a joke.

Asking why Riven would fight dressed like a playboy bunny is like asking why Poppy would bludgeon people with a giant lollypop. Answer: She wouldn't, it's a joke.

I feel like I should answer your question. So I will.

Battle Bunny skin was made mainly because of the LOL community suggestion.

It was first suggested by an infamous forum troll called Shaella under the name of "bunny girl Riven".(god bliss him, he made LOL general discussion so much better while he was active)

Bunny girl riven post received one of the highest upvotes(equivalent of "like" in Youtube or Facebook.) in the history up to this date, and later got removed by Riot.(understandably so.)

This is the original content of the Original post according to my memory.

Riot should make Bunnygirl Riven skin because:

1. Riven jumps around like a bunny.

2. Because it will sell well.

Make it happen Riot.

In short: Yes. It was a joke.


While I was trying to search on google to find how to spell "Shaella", I stumbled across on this post posted by Shaella himself.

Read it if you want to, or whatever.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/466620-why-its-so-easy-to-fall-into-the-sjw-trap

So yes, Let's all blame Riot for doing what community wanted. Because reasons.

p.s: Oh, but you can still go for french maid nidalee or police caitlyn skin. Those are probably from Riot.

Edit: Grammars. Why are they so difficult?
Edit 2: Ah, It was all fun and games back then. Now it is all about.... THIS. This is making me depressed.

In short, you're saying that since it was a community suggestion its totally okay and no one can say 'I don't like this'?

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2002829

Please enlighten me, a fellow LoL player, as to why Unprepared Garen - another community suggested skin that received the same amount of popularity, can be found with a simple google search, and was thought up around the same time, did not get a release.

Keep in mind Battlebunny riven is months-years old right now. Meaning they had plenty of time. They even remade Garen's skins - passing up on an opportunity to cross release with the aforementioned skin.

'Let's all blame Riot for doing what the community wanted'

Yes, let's just say that this was the something the WHOLE community wanted and that Riot has just given us absolutely everything ever. It's not like they near-completely ignored wanted sexy male skin ideas in exchange for the 'suit/debonair' series that no one asked for.

Please, please pigeonhole the conversation even more.

 

[Vigormortis]

Objectified female characters in League of Legends?

Say it ain't so!! This is unheard of!!

Honestly, complaining about overly sexualized or objectified female characters in LoL is like complaining that sewers stink.

It's hard for me to believe anyone would be concerned about "feeling sexy" when fighting for her life against monsters.

If this was one of those Dress-Up games or Barbie goes to the Ball then it would make some sense for aesthetics to be a primary concern to the character, but that justification doesn't make much sense in a game like LoL, from what I know of it.

You know what's dumber than blatant pandering fan-service? Blatant pandering fan-service that people try to defend and justify because they're worried about appearing shallow and want to have their cake and eat it too. If you want to have a female character who's half naked then have at it, but don't lie to yourself about what the reason is for it.

Also this.

 

[Saltyk]

Halloween is fast approaching. How many girls/women will be dressed up in sexy outfits? For that matter, how many go to events and cosplay as sexy characters? Something tells me that there is-try to follow this line of reasoning here, I know it's complex-nothing wrong with women being sexy.

As others have said, it's pretty obviously meant as a joke. No one expects that she would wear that in a life and death battle. Seriously, let loose and have some fun. You'd be amazed at how much happier you'll be if you try to play games and have fun rather than try to politicize them and force them to all fit your narrowly defined definition of what they should be.

 

[loa]

Why are you taking skins into lore context?
Wanna try that with gentleman cho gath or forecast janna?
Yeah that skin is kinda poorly designed, I'd have put her in a mario style bunny fursuit and replaced the sword with a giant carrot or something but criticizing it based on the lore kinda misses the point.
Skins are punchlines. Or at least the good ones are.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

I don't really know how to tell them that they're being objectified since as far as they're concerned they think that the guys that can't handle a girl wanting to look and feel sexy are probably just insecure of themselves... I don't know if I agree but when women don't react in the same way guys do to the portrayal of women in video games what does that mean?

I'd say that maybe it means that they have their own minds that they can use to come to their own conclusions about these things, and that those conclusion may not match up with yours. Maybe, just maybe, they're ok with a certain amount of objectification, when you deliberately dress sexy (for want of a better word or phrase), man or woman, you are objectifying yourself to an extent, and I think most adults realise that and are ok with it.

[edit: Maybe I've misinterpreted what you're saying in the first sentence, but it does kind of come across as "oh those poor little flowers, they don't realise how they've been brainwashed into accepting their own victimisation", which comes off as a little bit insulting. I probably shouldn't speak for them, but if I was in their position and just read that I'd be feeling a bit slighted. Still, you did actually ask "what does that mean?" so maybe I'm just overreacting, if so, sorry]

OT:

Now as far as this skin goes, being a character in a video game, "she" doesn't have her own mind, so basically it's probably safe to assume it was for a joke/sexy bunny girl skin = $$$. In which case the character, not being a living self aware entity doesn't give a shit. If you like the skin and you think it's cool because "she" as a character might want to look sexy, then great, if you like the skin because boobs, then also great. If you don't like the skin for whatever reason then don't buy it, and of course feel free to complain if you like, but don't be surprised if most people don't give a flying fuck.

 

[Kopikatsu]

I should point out the context of Battle Bunny Riven. Look at the splash art. Riven is clearly undercover so that she can get close enough to assassinate a Noxian official, as per her lore.

Seriously. Look at this scene.

 

[Schadrach]

Alternate skins in those kinds of games generally don't mesh well with lore. For example, look at Smite. I usually play Ah-Muzen-Cab the Mayan god of bees and honey, in his "Dark Whisperer" skin.

Which makes him Cthulhu.

That's ignoring things like the soccer themed skins and the "Ramerica" skin for Ra (Egyptian sun god) which gives him a bald eagle head, a red-white-blue color motif, and a firework for a staff.

 

[VectorSlip]

OP there isn't actually very much wrong with Riven's skin. Im not a LoL player but I do play another MOBA, SMITE. You may have heard of it but just in case the basic premise is you play as various gods and goddess' from various world religions, both old and new. And for their base models they often have appearances mirroring the gods various canonical depictions.

Since its inception hirez has released tons of different skins for the gods from Cowboy Artemis, to Alienware RA, to Mother Russia Athena. Now its pretty obvious that these skins aren't meant to be taken seriously or treated as accurate representations of the gods. Im pretty sure RA, the Egyptian god of the sun wouldn't even know what an alienware laptop was. And people accept this. They're optional skins for people who like how they look or what effects they add to god abilities, ect. Its pretty clear that its a similar situation in LOL from what i've seen in this thread so far. The lore of a character has absolutely no bearing on their skins and vise-versa unless explicitly stated.

And I also think its great that its optional since people who want it and like it can pay for it and people who dont don't have to spend a dime or touch the skin. Plus there are about 4 more, very different skin options for riven if the model viewer is to be believed so its not like she's being relegated to the token sex appeal dump. All in all its fine. Can it be interpreted as sexist and violating her character? Sure. Can it just as easily be interpreted otherwise as I have? Of course. The important thing here is to keep an open mind take into consideration other perspectives and opinions on the discussion. Thats how discussions are born after all

Does League of Legends even have a story, or just some basic info for each character?

League had a story. A decent one too. At least entertaining and fun at times.

Then they just jettisoned it before releasing the last character. Now so MUCH of the game doesn't make sense and is out of place. Sona is now a crazy lady talking to voices in her heard, half the characters talk to invisible random people, and Riot retconned the god damn name of the their game and their players out of existence.

Now this is interesting. I don't know much about LOL but I want to hear about this. Can you tell me what happened?

 

[Aerosteam]

It's entirely optional, other characters get equally ridiculous outfits and on one plays LoL for the lore.

This skin is not a big problem at all.

 

[Atmos Duality]

I suppose we ought to criticize and condemn Blazing Saddles too; because the subject of racism is simply too serious and offensive to ever be a laughing matter.

Seriously: Jokes, satire, humor...no subject is too sacred too be exempt; it's all a matter of timing and wit.
And as everyone has already said, Battle Bunny Riven is quite obviously a joke.

Of course, we're living in the age of Knee-Jerk-Offense now, where everything is potentially offensive, divisive, morally-bankrupt or promoting some sort of "-ism" (sexism, racism, agism, able-ism...etc.)

 

[Ragnar47183]

I think the better question that no one is asking is, "Can you objectify an object?" Being as Riven is not an actual person and is an object to be controlled by a player in a video game, can you further objectify it? And more to the point, does it matter if an object is more objectified or not?

Is it sexist? No. Is this going to matter 1 month from now? No.

Next topic!

 

[CaitSeith]

I think that kind of out-of-context sexy dress is the equivalent of a "that's what she said!" joke. You know what it means and you know the original context was totally different; but the reaction is the same: you either roll your eyes of how repetitive (and sometimes annoying) it has become, or you laugh (or at least you giggle) to the image; but you'll rarely get aroused because of it.

OT: "Maybe it made her feel sexy."? Yeah, maybe. But my question is, why does she want to feel sexy? Does it make sense for the character? What kind of personality does the character have? Is she extrovert? Does she follow the rules? Does she like to be seen and drooled at? With most characters you can only guess (or pretend to know) the answers, because those particular characters have little to no personality. But in reality, most of time "Maybe it made her feel sexy." is just another way to say "why the heck are we talking about this? Just play the damn game!"

PS captcha: agree to disagree. Captcha, you're awareness of the topic is beginning to creep me out...

 

[Kopikatsu]

Now this is interesting. I don't know much about LOL but I want to hear about this. Can you tell me what happened?

The League of Legends is basically an organization maintained by the Summoners (mages who... well... summon). There was an event called the Rune Wars that caused untold amounts of damage to the world (imagine if everyone developed the A-bomb at the same time in WW2). So to stop that, the city-states of the world joined together to create the League, which is basically where nations would field champions to fight in an elaborate game of chess in order to resolve disputes without open warfare.

Riot decided that this was too constricting as far as lore went because it meant every champion needed a reason to go join the League, and nothing could advance within the world because all conflicts were resolved through the League. So they removed the League and the Summoners from the lore so that the stories could actually have a progression instead of just ending with 'And then they joined the League/and then the League intervened'.

Some people see it as the right step forward and will open the doors to more interesting opportunities in the future, some people believe that Riot is throwing away everything that made League League.

 

[VectorSlip]

Now this is interesting. I don't know much about LOL but I want to hear about this. Can you tell me what happened?

The League of Legends is basically an organization maintained by the Summoners (mages who... well... summon). There was an event called the Rune Wars that caused untold amounts of damage to the world (imagine if everyone developed the A-bomb at the same time in WW2). So to stop that, the city-states of the world joined together to create the League, which is basically where nations would field champions to fight in an elaborate game of chess in order to resolve disputes without open warfare.

Riot decided that this was too constricting as far as lore went because it meant every champion needed a reason to go join the League, and nothing could advance within the world because all conflicts were resolved through the League. So they removed the League and the Summoners from the lore so that the stories could actually have a progression instead of just ending with 'And then they joined the League/and then the League intervened'.

Some people see it as the right step forward and will open the doors to more interesting opportunities in the future, some people believe that Riot is throwing away everything that made League League.

Okay. Its neat that they used to recognize the players so its a shame to lose that. Also I can understand what you mean about story constrictions. In smite when a new god is introduced we're given their lore or a tale about them followed by them joining the battle because of some nebulous danger or because they want to kill stuff (Thanatos & scylla)

I think this is okay for smite since the battleground is pretty much the be all end all of the game. I dont know if LOL has a story mode or something like that but wouldn't they be in a similar situation? With the game and fighting being the end goal and backstory to flesh out how they got there? Eh both reasons seem legit and I cant say much more due to my lack of knowledge about the game. But i could see how someone would get peeved at losing being acknowledged as an integral part of the game's universe.

 

[The Lunatic]

I'm concerned about the fact people are concerned about sexism in video games.


I don't know what that makes me.