A possible conflict between Daedra?
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The greatest misunderstanding of all is that people assume when I say [HEADING=3]"I will devour your soul and trap it in a Petty Gem to feed my ever hungry flaming sword"[/HEADING] that I'm joking.SirBryghtside said:MISUNDERSTANDINGS. They're everywhere...Count Igor said:Patronising?SirBryghtside said:
No no, there's just a bit of a... change, at the end of the quest line. Sorry, I didn't mean it like that.
HAHAHAHA.
Isn't life funny. o.o
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One of the issues with Skyrim in my opinion. I ended up doing all the various Daedric and guild quests, because I wanted to see what they are like, but it ruined any role playing I might have done with the character.
A bigger problem connected to this is that they make these quests so that anyone can do them, but it waters down the experience since none of the Theives guild quests require mastery of theivery, none of the College quests require mastery of magic, etc....
Oh Oh OH! and while we are on the subject.... This kind of "everyone has to be able to do every quest" is probably the reason there aren't *crafting* quest lines. I would love for a modder to add a blacksmithing questline which has you crafting better and better armor and looking for better and better ingredients.
A bigger problem connected to this is that they make these quests so that anyone can do them, but it waters down the experience since none of the Theives guild quests require mastery of theivery, none of the College quests require mastery of magic, etc....
Oh Oh OH! and while we are on the subject.... This kind of "everyone has to be able to do every quest" is probably the reason there aren't *crafting* quest lines. I would love for a modder to add a blacksmithing questline which has you crafting better and better armor and looking for better and better ingredients.
If it was between more chaotic/envious Daedra, there'd be a problem, but Hircine and Nocturnal both aren't very confrontational.
Call me when you're dual-wielding the Mace of Molag Bal and Mehrune's Razor.
Call me when you're dual-wielding the Mace of Molag Bal and Mehrune's Razor.
Okay. I'm here.KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life said:
And let me tell you, it's a deadly combination.
My plan is to get someone to cast soul trap on me and laugh about it when I'm used to re-charge a weapon. :3
Because they give you shiny, unique armor, while all hermaeus gives you is a bunch of skill levels that can easily be gained elsewhere.Chicago Ted said:Pfft...
Be a servant of Hircine or Nocturnal? As if.
I'm the Champion of Hermaeus Mora, Prince of lost secrets, Demon of Knowledge.
Why should I follow those that are incapable of knowing the real truths of the world?
Yeah, it's one of the main flaws with the game. This coming from a TES enthusiast, the writing is just lazy. Well, let's make him the chosen one... of everybody. Also, Alduin saves you from your execution because... fate. Fate/destiny is a lazy explanation for why things occur in fiction. They just couldn't be bothered to come up with something decent, now I would shrug that off if the questlines were actually fun to play but many of the faction quests are just go here, kill/get person/item and bring it back. Urgh, it's frustrating. I hope the DLC/expansion(s) add something worthwhile like Shivering Isles.snagli said:
But when you do that quest when level 55+ those skill levels are HUGE. Plus you can buy/craft/enchant better everything than most of what the Daedra give you (notable exceptions are nifty hats and the Wabbajack which are rewards given for keeping a few Daedra company rather than being their BFFs like most want you to).Hijax said:Because they give you shiny, unique armor, while all hermaeus gives you is a bunch of skill levels that can easily be gained elsewhere.Chicago Ted said:Pfft...
Be a servant of Hircine or Nocturnal? As if.
I'm the Champion of Hermaeus Mora, Prince of lost secrets, Demon of Knowledge.
Why should I follow those that are incapable of knowing the real truths of the world?
Heh the daedra have no control over my soul, however since I've done my best to screw over each and every one of them (including using the black star on Azura's priestess as the first victim, heh I thought you goddess could see the future and protect you). I'm sure they are all going to send their followers to try and kill me and somehow harvest my soul for their chosen daedra. I know most of the time screwing over the daedra means I don't get their artifact but I take extreme pleasure in bringing them down a notch and any worshipper I come across I kill. It would be nice when the construction set comes out to create a mod where you could corrupt/purify each of their artifacts to remove it from their power (Mehrunes Dagon Healing Shiv).
SPOILER ALERT!
If you're that concerned about it, you can always cure your lycanthropy. Just drop one of the Glenmoril Witches heads into the vat you used to cure Kodlak Whitemane, and you don't have to worry about being a werewolf anymore. And, you'll get your Well Rested bonuses back from sleeping in a bed.
If you're that concerned about it, you can always cure your lycanthropy. Just drop one of the Glenmoril Witches heads into the vat you used to cure Kodlak Whitemane, and you don't have to worry about being a werewolf anymore. And, you'll get your Well Rested bonuses back from sleeping in a bed.
The last one you pledged your soul to, in the companions questline the Nord wanted to go to Soverngarde, but he became a werewolf later in life and was claimed by Hircine.
You said it Action Hank!Chicago Ted said:Pfft...
Be a servant of Hircine or Nocturnal? As if.
I'm the Champion of Hermaeus Mora, Prince of lost secrets, Demon of Knowledge.
Why should I follow those that are incapable of knowing the real truths of the world?
Hermaeus Mora's got this awesome Cthulhu feel that none of the other Daedra come close to matching in awesomeness. Though, Sheogorath and Azura are neat too.
Actually by completing each ones quests and gaining their token, you're supposedly selling yourself to all of them. So there's the Nine Divines, Sovengarde, all the Daedra, plus Padomay/Sithis void concepts.
Honestly the Dragonborn likely will choose Sovengarde, and as none of the Daedra are powerful enough to try and claim him without having to fight each other and deal with Akatosh and/or other divines.
Lorkhan, also known as Shor and Shezzar, was the one who convinced the Aedra and Daedra to construct the Mundus the plane upon where Nirn resides, it had the side effect of draining the divinity of some of the gods, who supposedly became the Elven ancestors, so the Aedra and Daedra killed Lorkhan, his body became the moons and his heart created life on Nirn, and subsequently man. All the stars and the sun are where fleeing Aedra and Daedra tore holes to their planes of Oblivion. 8 Aedra remained and they gave up part of their powers to stabilize the Mundus, by becoming 8 other planets. These are the 8 divines.
This is of course all from my memory and the lore, both aren't 100% reliable.
Honestly the Dragonborn likely will choose Sovengarde, and as none of the Daedra are powerful enough to try and claim him without having to fight each other and deal with Akatosh and/or other divines.
That's not too far off one of the theories around the night mother, that she is Mephala. As the Dark Brotherhood seperated from the Morag Tong who worshiped Mephala. He/She is a liar, so I could see her/him misleading the DB with some padomay/sithis stuff when they actually go to her plane.Pat8u said:
Nope, well sort of. In TES lore, there was Anu and Padomay (Sithis), Anu was a force for creation and life and Padomay destruction and entropy. Anu created the majority of the Aedra, Padomay the majority of the Daedra.Syzygy23 said:
Lorkhan, also known as Shor and Shezzar, was the one who convinced the Aedra and Daedra to construct the Mundus the plane upon where Nirn resides, it had the side effect of draining the divinity of some of the gods, who supposedly became the Elven ancestors, so the Aedra and Daedra killed Lorkhan, his body became the moons and his heart created life on Nirn, and subsequently man. All the stars and the sun are where fleeing Aedra and Daedra tore holes to their planes of Oblivion. 8 Aedra remained and they gave up part of their powers to stabilize the Mundus, by becoming 8 other planets. These are the 8 divines.
This is of course all from my memory and the lore, both aren't 100% reliable.
The way *I* saw it wasSirBryghtside said:
after you helped break the leader free of the spell and he then went to the proper Nord heaven, he said that he was going to get a group together to free the companions of the Daedra's spell, so only those that wanted to would go to the hunting grounds.
Ok, so I asked the guy and here's what he said:
"Tough question. Mostly because it's conflicting on overall source. Souls are stated to go into Aetherius unless constrained, by all accounts it depends who's harsher on collections. I don't know the basis, it's a difficult question to determine who would 'get it'. I'd assume, given evidence that some Daedra (such as Azura) are all knowing that they'd have 'snatched it up'.
The problem is there's never been any real definition what exactly is the method for souls until the end of Skyrim which was somewhat obscure in ways too. I'd assume it went to whoever was promised the soul first and there might be just a mechanical problem on who the soul is given too. It might even be avoided by having the soul sucked into a soul gem, thus avoiding teh bargain entirely.
Some speculate, including myself, that the relative sizes of the various Aedra are determined by their physical structures as planets. Thus there is some ascending and descending order of power amongst the et'Ada. Clavicus vile is seen as one of the weakest Daedra, thus whoever is stronger of the Daedra would likely reap the soul. People speculate that arguably Nocturna has the larger following, thus she'd have the most power and strongest 'claim' to the soul in question. It's also probably presupposed that if you're in their domain that they'd have claim IE, went into a plane of Oblivion. Beyond that, no official lore statement I can find.
I should note that the dragonborn thing -might- have some effect, but given that all the previous dragonborns of the septim dynasty were soul trapped in the Amulet of Kings it seems they aren't expressly immune to anything."
So there you have it. It's all just speculation for now. No actual official lore has been released about this.
"Tough question. Mostly because it's conflicting on overall source. Souls are stated to go into Aetherius unless constrained, by all accounts it depends who's harsher on collections. I don't know the basis, it's a difficult question to determine who would 'get it'. I'd assume, given evidence that some Daedra (such as Azura) are all knowing that they'd have 'snatched it up'.
The problem is there's never been any real definition what exactly is the method for souls until the end of Skyrim which was somewhat obscure in ways too. I'd assume it went to whoever was promised the soul first and there might be just a mechanical problem on who the soul is given too. It might even be avoided by having the soul sucked into a soul gem, thus avoiding teh bargain entirely.
Some speculate, including myself, that the relative sizes of the various Aedra are determined by their physical structures as planets. Thus there is some ascending and descending order of power amongst the et'Ada. Clavicus vile is seen as one of the weakest Daedra, thus whoever is stronger of the Daedra would likely reap the soul. People speculate that arguably Nocturna has the larger following, thus she'd have the most power and strongest 'claim' to the soul in question. It's also probably presupposed that if you're in their domain that they'd have claim IE, went into a plane of Oblivion. Beyond that, no official lore statement I can find.
I should note that the dragonborn thing -might- have some effect, but given that all the previous dragonborns of the septim dynasty were soul trapped in the Amulet of Kings it seems they aren't expressly immune to anything."
So there you have it. It's all just speculation for now. No actual official lore has been released about this.