Since when where politicians scientists? People treat it like its the freakin Bible, its not. The earth has been and always will be changing at a constant rate. To think that we, the product of evolution could actually harm the planet is ignorance of the highest degree. The earth will be around and changing long after we nuke ourselves because we couldn't agree on anything.PoisonUnagi said:Ugh. Hasn't anybody here seen Al Gore's presentation?
It's direct and obvious proof that global warming is a HUGE problem that is DEFINITELY cause by humans. Go and look it up and stop whining.
Well, you're just going to have to eat those words when we create our first Planet Smasher. =PTomo Stryker said:Since when where politicians scientists? People treat it like its the freakin Bible, its not. The earth has been and always will be changing at a constant rate. To think that we, the product of evolution could actually harm the planet is ignorance of the highest degree. The earth will be around and changing long after we nuke ourselves because we couldn't agree on anything.PoisonUnagi said:Ugh. Hasn't anybody here seen Al Gore's presentation?
It's direct and obvious proof that global warming is a HUGE problem that is DEFINITELY cause by humans. Go and look it up and stop whining.
It's actually pretty ignorant of you to think we can't. Just because this planet was here first doesn't man we're not able to seriously fuck it over.Tomo Stryker said:Since when where politicians scientists? People treat it like its the freakin Bible, its not. The earth has been and always will be changing at a constant rate. To think that we, the product of evolution could actually harm the planet is ignorance of the highest degree. The earth will be around and changing long after we nuke ourselves because we couldn't agree on anything.PoisonUnagi said:Ugh. Hasn't anybody here seen Al Gore's presentation?
It's direct and obvious proof that global warming is a HUGE problem that is DEFINITELY cause by humans. Go and look it up and stop whining.
I'm not saying we can't screw this planet over, hell we could make is space crumbs if we really tried. All I'm saying is that nature is infamous for balancing itself out. Its like a forest fire, oh sure the fire burnt down a glorious forest. But that doesn't mean things won't regrow on it.PoisonUnagi said:It's actually pretty ignorant of you to think we can't. Just because this planet was here first doesn't man we're not able to seriously fuck it over.Tomo Stryker said:Since when where politicians scientists? People treat it like its the freakin Bible, its not. The earth has been and always will be changing at a constant rate. To think that we, the product of evolution could actually harm the planet is ignorance of the highest degree. The earth will be around and changing long after we nuke ourselves because we couldn't agree on anything.PoisonUnagi said:Ugh. Hasn't anybody here seen Al Gore's presentation?
It's direct and obvious proof that global warming is a HUGE problem that is DEFINITELY cause by humans. Go and look it up and stop whining.
yeah ok so climates change naturally. but in my oppinion humans are accelerating the climate change.Rosetta said:There have been 6 major extinctions wherein the majority of the Earth's life died that we humans know of. All of them happened before we were here and all of them happened due to massive climate change. The ice age was the most recent.
Humans do not affect the climate.
The Earth will cool and warm long, long after we go extinct and the cycle of life and death will be unaffected.
The hippies are wrong. The science is right.
Oh good, I was worried for a sec that you were going to use facts instead of opinions. Sorry bout that, it just poked out to me that you used your opinion instead of facts. Nothing personal mate.Merkavar said:But in my oppinion humans are accelerating the climate change
That doesn't mean we can't from adversely affecting the enviroment. For example, the extintion of animals is completely natural due to natural selection, but so have we as a result of not knowing any better or just not caring what happens to the enviroment, such as, deforestationRosetta said:There have been 6 major extinctions wherein the majority of the Earth's life died that we humans know of. All of them happened before we were here and all of them happened due to massive climate change. The ice age was the most recent.
Humans do not affect the climate.
The Earth will cool and warm long, long after we go extinct and the cycle of life and death will be unaffected.
The hippies are wrong. The science is right.
Acctually it's possible you could be getting more rain/snow whatever, that still kind of points to global warming. If your area is suddenly getting huge increases in rain/snow there is probably somewhere that is lossing huge amounts of rain.bdcjacko said:Here is Kansas City it has been on the coldest, snowiest years for like 3 years in a row. It sure is cold for Global Warming. Then I'm told Global Warming isn't the correct term, it should be called Climate Change. K, the have scientifically proved the climate has been changing for billions of years before man. Big deal.
And while we're on the topic of actual consensus, let's not try to focus on single scientists? Especially ones cherry picked by the likes of the Heartland institute as speakers for their "climate discussions", or featured in the thoroughly debunked "The great global warming swindle" documentary [http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Roy_Spencer]. (For anyone interested in reading about the Heartland institute [http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute])TheTutonicDrone said:First I would like to say that the science of climates, if it can even be called that, is not like normal science. The side that believe in man-made Global Warming have no more proof than the scientists who don't. There is no control version of the earth with no humans on it we can look at and say: Hey that earth isn't heating up! I guess its humans that are causing this.Deepzound said:I find it hilarious reading all these nay-sayers' replies in this thread, basically talking like they're experts on the subject and none of them presenting any evidence for their claims.
If you are actually interested in learning about global warming, I recommend going to Skeptical science [http://www.skepticalscience.com/] and checking out some of the facts like 97% of climatologists say global warming is occurring and caused by humans [http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0122-climate.html].
Also worth checking out is a little documentary called The Denial Machine [http://documentaryheaven.com/the-denial-machine/] to learn where a lot of the propaganda regarding climate skepticism is coming from.
Second I would like to point out that the poll you linked was answered by 30% of the climatologists they contacted. 97% of which did as you say respond in the positive concerning the question are humans a significant factor. I don't feel any scientist would ever say humans aren't a large factor. There are a whole lot of us. The poll did not ask if burning fossil fuel is a large factor.
Polls aren't science. If we took a poll a thousand years ago about what stars are we would not get the right answer.
Finally you wanted supporting documents here you go. This is a link to a climatologist's report to the senate: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=e12b56cb-4c7b-4c21-bd4a-7afbc4ee72f3
I can link more but I figure you won't bother reading it so there is no point. Ask me and I will though. There is plenty of other research information from this side. The mass media just isn't spoon feeding it to everyone.
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I would also like to add that another reason this information isn't out there is the amount of donations to climatologist's research has increased drastically since this first started. Many scientists try and keep their findings quiet because as soon as people find out donations will go way down.
For a more thorough reading of whether or not there is a consensus, I direct you here [http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?p=7&t=350&&a=17].Sourcewatch said:Spencer and colleague John Christy "published a series of papers starting about 1990 that implied the troposphere was warming at a much slower rate than the surface temperature record and climate models indicated..."; but the discrepancy turned out to be an artifact of their having applied incorrect adjustments to their UAH satellite temperature record data. As Ray Pierrehumbert at RealClimate [http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/05/how-to-cook-a-graph-in-three-easy-lessons/] put it:
"Spencer and Christy sat by for most of a decade allowing ? indeed encouraging ? the use of their data set as an icon for global warming skeptics. They committed serial errors in the data analysis, but insisted they were right and models and thermometers were wrong. They did little or nothing to root out possible sources of errors, and left it to others to clean up the mess, as has now been done"
Besides your (laughable) attempts at trivializing the sum of human knowledge at this point in time (I mean really, a poll among medieval people regarding the stars compared to a poll among climate scientists regarding the climate), I'd like for you to expand on what else besides the burning of fossil fuel the "human factor" could be?TheTutonicDrone said:The poll did not ask if burning fossil fuel is a large factor.
Polls aren't science. If we took a poll a thousand years ago about what stars are we would not get the right answer.
I'm guessing you didn't read the link, but that's ok, here's a more thorough look at the consensus of global warming [http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?p=7&t=350&&a=17].ravensheart18 said:You know what is funny about the link you gave? The document behind it doesn't support what you are saying. You've fudged which numbers mean what.
The laws of physics do not apply to weather or anything besides physics. Huge pet peeve.Death_Korps_Kommissar said:Acctually it's possible you could be getting more rain/snow whatever, that still kind of points to global warming. If your area is suddenly getting huge increases in rain/snow there is probably somewhere that is lossing huge amounts of rain.bdcjacko said:Here is Kansas City it has been on the coldest, snowiest years for like 3 years in a row. It sure is cold for Global Warming. Then I'm told Global Warming isn't the correct term, it should be called Climate Change. K, the have scientifically proved the climate has been changing for billions of years before man. Big deal.
Everything has an equal and opposite reaction.