I agree, it's kind of like what Nanomachines did to all the GI Joe style super soldiers from Metal Gear Solid. Took away what made them magical. Made them mundane. Uninteresting. Science tends to do that to things, it's wierd.Furburt said:It distracts from the magical, spiritual heart of the series, which is the victory of faith and uncertainty over cold mechanical oppression. If you want to see a religious subtext in this, go ahead.
It reduces a series that is totally about fantasy to plain logic, and by doing that, you make it boring. I mean, it's a series for escaping from this worlds certainty about everything into a world we can't explain!
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It just makes them boring!
I always thought that was the whole fucking point.Furburt said:It reduces a series that is totally about fantasy to plain logic, and by doing that, you make it boring. I mean, it's a series for escaping from this worlds certainty about everything into a world we can't explain!
Not really, midi-chlorians are simply offered as the agent and source of that energy and the science behind Force use was always unknown to those who weren't themselves Force sensitive.madcap2112 said:In A New Hope, Obi-Wan explains outright that the Force is "an energy field that surrounds all living things." Han Solo refers to it all as a 'hokey religion'. Midi-chlorians contradict the explanation given in the original movies.
Couldn't that "energy field" be created by the midi-chlorians? This is just a thought; I'm not exactly a Star Wars "fan" (like the movies, but haven't seen much more of it).madcap2112 said:In A New Hope, Obi-Wan explains outright that the Force is "an energy field that surrounds all living things." Han Solo refers to it all as a 'hokey religion'. Midi-chlorians contradict the explanation given in the original movies.
Not a problem, glad we could helpRebellionXXI said:Furburt said:It distracts from the magical, spiritual heart of the series, which is the victory of faith and uncertainty over cold mechanical oppression. If you want to see a religious subtext in this, go ahead.
It reduces a series that is totally about fantasy to plain logic, and by doing that, you make it boring. I mean, it's a series for escaping from this worlds certainty about everything into a world we can't explain!
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It just makes them boring!DominicxD said:>Implaying that a magical mystical power can be scientifically analysed through some blood.I had a feeling it was something like this. Now it makes sense. Thank you, Escapist!snowfox said:I agree with everyone above.. It drained all the mystery out of what the force actually is.. It was not needed at all, and the film wouldn't have changed in any way whether the explanation was added or not.
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Also the way it was added so randomly to the film makes it seem like Lucas created a reason off the top of his head just to have a reason to put in his film...
I myself just pretend that little accident never happened. So I could live in my ignorant bliss that is what the Jedi are really supposed to be...
This.Tranka Verrane said:Star Wars, the original trilogy, is not science fiction. It is a sword and sorcery fantasy epic that contrives to add in to that the hardware, and therefore the visuals, of science fiction. The sword and sorcery is central to the action, the SF is secondary. By pushing it into the realm of fantasy rather than SF it gives the viewer permission to suspend disbelief and not analyse the SF elements too closely. Start analysing the science of Star Wars and it all unravels very quickly.
By adding in the midichlorians it is like Lucas is trying to argue that it is all SF. That simple action breaks the fourth wall, and calls attention to the million other inconsistencies.
Look at it this way: Star Trek is SF. It goes to great lengths to create an internally consistent universe, and can provide answers for any question you care to name about its science (accepting that some of the science relies on theories that have yet to be discovered). If Trek introduced something that could only be explained as magic then it breaks the genre and the story. It is as jarring as a rape scene in the middle of Sesame Street. In the same way the midichlorians are a painful and unnecessary device in Star Wars.
For another example of how to break a beautiful story by wrenching it out of its genre watch Highlander and then Highlander II. The sequel not only is rubbish, but breaks any nostalgic memories of the original.
And i will add; if it an be analysed, (considering its the future and all their super-duper techs) it can be replicated in some way. Meticliorans ?(sp) just clone a bunch of the stuff, then inject it into people = force powars for the mass! Bascialy, Rapture meets star wars.DominicxD said:>Implaying that a magical mystical power can be scientifically analysed through some blood.
Grounogeos said:Couldn't that "energy field" be created by the midi-chlorians? This is just a thought; I'm not exactly a Star Wars "fan" (like the movies, but haven't seen much more of it).madcap2112 said:In A New Hope, Obi-Wan explains outright that the Force is "an energy field that surrounds all living things." Han Solo refers to it all as a 'hokey religion'. Midi-chlorians contradict the explanation given in the original movies.
An energy field as powerful as the Force created by micro-organisms? That seems kind of silly. It's hard for me to watch characters in the original movies say 'May the Force be with you' and think they're talking about midi-chlorians. The point is, the introduction of midi-chlorians debunked the mystical element that made the Force interesting. It was completely unnecessary and we would have been fine without it. No one wanted the Force explained, certainly not with that reasoning.Eldritch Warlord said:Not really, midi-chlorians are simply offered as the agent and source of that energy and the science behind Force use was always unknown to those who weren't themselves Force sensitive.
Wow.. I will never look at Sesame Street the same way ever again... One of these kids is different from the other!! Can you guess which?! OH DEAR GOD!!!Tranka Verrane said:Star Wars, the original trilogy, is not science fiction. It is a sword and sorcery fantasy epic that contrives to add in to that the hardware, and therefore the visuals, of science fiction. The sword and sorcery is central to the action, the SF is secondary. By pushing it into the realm of fantasy rather than SF it gives the viewer permission to suspend disbelief and not analyse the SF elements too closely. Start analysing the science of Star Wars and it all unravels very quickly.
By adding in the midichlorians it is like Lucas is trying to argue that it is all SF. That simple action breaks the fourth wall, and calls attention to the million other inconsistencies.
Look at it this way: Star Trek is SF. It goes to great lengths to create an internally consistent universe, and can provide answers for any question you care to name about its science (accepting that some of the science relies on theories that have yet to be discovered). If Trek introduced something that could only be explained as magic then it breaks the genre and the story. It is as jarring as a rape scene in the middle of Sesame Street. In the same way the midichlorians are a painful and unnecessary device in Star Wars.
For another example of how to break a beautiful story by wrenching it out of its genre watch Highlander and then Highlander II. The sequel not only is rubbish, but breaks any nostalgic memories of the original.
All energy is the sum of infinitesimally small components. That would only seem silly to someone who doesn't really understand forces to begin with. Therefore midi-chlorians should be indistinguishable from magic to yourself and the mysticism of the Force is preserved making your complaints of no consequence.madcap2112 said:An energy field as powerful as the Force created by micro-organisms? That seems kind of silly.