No, I'm in public, so I don't care who sees me, if I found out there was a CCTV camera in my house, then I would have a problem, but as I said, no, I'm in a public place so I couldn't give two hoots.
A question for you Britons here.......
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no not really, camera's round by my neck of the woods are mainly in the city centre, so not much to complain about in terms of a privacy breach
Wtf? Fined for swearing? I remember hearing about some initiative somewhere.... but if anyone ever had the audacity to complain about me uttering a rude word in a public place I'd want to defend my right to talk as I please as long as I'm not deliberately doing it to be obnoxious ><.CannibalCorpses said:
i think most of the camera footage is watched only if something was reported as going down in the area or if its somewhere really crowded.
Plenty of security cameras have in built speakers so that the security people can address the public with them, so yeah, his story is most likely true.Shadowsafter said:
Whilst some people go overboard with the whole "orwell was right!!" crap, it certainly is not a pleasant situation we are in with this country, people are getting more and more paranoid and spout the absolutely stupid chant of "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!".
Its a slippery slope.
Not really, where I live theres only one set of cameras at a library but no where else, at least that I know.
I have one right outside my house, I rather like it.
Mostly because prior to its instillation we had 6 murders in a 5 year period - just on my street. Including one man who was stabbed in the gut with a broken bottle outside my home, and crawled two streets away with his guts dragging behind him before dying.
Oh and two gunfights in the same period, and about 15 drugs raids.
Ooo! And a Brothel!
Mostly because prior to its instillation we had 6 murders in a 5 year period - just on my street. Including one man who was stabbed in the gut with a broken bottle outside my home, and crawled two streets away with his guts dragging behind him before dying.
Oh and two gunfights in the same period, and about 15 drugs raids.
Ooo! And a Brothel!
Yeah, the police officer who arrested me thought that me telling my mate to fuck off on the telephone while standing in the taxi queue to go home was the precursor to violence. Because i was under the influence of alcahol i wasn't allowed to defend myself properly. Damn i hate the police and the system that allows them to get away with shit like that.tharglet said:
The cameras are really only a problem for the people who actually do something worth observing (namely the sorts of people we should be keeping tabs on).
If you seriously think that the cameras are watching you and marking down everywhere you go and everything you do then either you're doing something shadey (in which case I'm glad you're aware that we're onto you) or you're paranoid and delusional (in which case it was probably the tin foil hat and X-Files shirt that drew attention to you).
If you seriously think that the cameras are watching you and marking down everywhere you go and everything you do then either you're doing something shadey (in which case I'm glad you're aware that we're onto you) or you're paranoid and delusional (in which case it was probably the tin foil hat and X-Files shirt that drew attention to you).
it doesnt bother me until we turn into a megacity and get thought police.
btw the term is briton.
btw the term is briton.
I'm not against it in principle, however, I'd scrap 80% of them and use the money saved to get GOOD ones, that can produce decent face shots and legally admissible evidence, because without that, there's no point having them except to intimididate the public.
My main bugbear with camera is parking cameras, private companies have cameras and just use them to flood the country with seemingly random fines, knowing at about 50 pence a letter, and £60-80 a ticket, they can send a sackful of IRL spam, and if one person pays up, they're in profit.
My parents recently got done, for dropping me off to do some shopping, then coming back to pick me up and do their own. They're contesting it tho, and I've also done my research, and they've got no legal basis to apply a fine, so fuck em.
Even if their 'no return in 2 hours' thing applied to a drop off of a customer, they're not the government or police, they can't just make the law, and if you're fining your own customers for coming to shop with you, then you're not doing 'customer service' very well.
Anyways, partially irrelevant rant aside, I'm generally for them, but they need to be better, and we need to have some kind of standards on them, so it doesn't end up being run by the same kind of twats who run car parks.
Else we'll be getting letters stating 'we have camera footage of you lowering your arm, and later on a coke can was seen in the area, therefore we are issuing a £80 fine for littering'.
Fuck em.
My main bugbear with camera is parking cameras, private companies have cameras and just use them to flood the country with seemingly random fines, knowing at about 50 pence a letter, and £60-80 a ticket, they can send a sackful of IRL spam, and if one person pays up, they're in profit.
My parents recently got done, for dropping me off to do some shopping, then coming back to pick me up and do their own. They're contesting it tho, and I've also done my research, and they've got no legal basis to apply a fine, so fuck em.
Even if their 'no return in 2 hours' thing applied to a drop off of a customer, they're not the government or police, they can't just make the law, and if you're fining your own customers for coming to shop with you, then you're not doing 'customer service' very well.
Anyways, partially irrelevant rant aside, I'm generally for them, but they need to be better, and we need to have some kind of standards on them, so it doesn't end up being run by the same kind of twats who run car parks.
Else we'll be getting letters stating 'we have camera footage of you lowering your arm, and later on a coke can was seen in the area, therefore we are issuing a £80 fine for littering'.
Fuck em.
Well the cameras aren't allowed in private residences or at an angle where they can see things like inside changing cubicles or what you're doing on the toilet and with them being so omnipresent throughout our lives most people don't even realise it's an excessive number until it's pointed out to them. We all just kinda assumed this is how the rest of the world had it.
Personally, they don't bother me. But they don't seem to do much either, they don't statistically prevent crime or lead to arrests significantly but they're not really doing me any harm.
Personally, they don't bother me. But they don't seem to do much either, they don't statistically prevent crime or lead to arrests significantly but they're not really doing me any harm.
murders, rapists and paedofiles have all been caught because there faces were shown on CCTV as they went to and from wherever they did the deed so I tolerate them so long as these horrible people keep getting caught out by them.
But if the Daily Mail is to be believed they jump off the walls and look into our houses to constantly spy on us and our wheelie bins.
But if the Daily Mail is to be believed they jump off the walls and look into our houses to constantly spy on us and our wheelie bins.
I hate CCTV cameras and I'm kinda pissed about how casually they are thrown around TBH. So long as they don't start tracking us via oyster cards and cams on a whim (in london) then I won't kick up TOO much of a fuss.
What I do plan to kick up a fuss about, however is the new restrictions on strike action.
What I do plan to kick up a fuss about, however is the new restrictions on strike action.
Amused me on that Russell Howard show, the English Defence League, complaining about 'Muslamics' and wearing the Burka, while wearing a balaclava.b3nn3tt said:
IF Cameron wanted to earn some brownie points, he'd replace a few of these cameras with visible police officers. I know you can't just hire people and have them on the streets tomorrow, but most people want a more visible police presence, and they'd be more effective at preventing crime than a dozen cameras.
As for the cameras telling people what to do, it was a trial in one area if I remember correctly. Let's face it, most people are being a dick in public, mostly at night, as they think no-one's looking. Having a camera go 'You there, in the Primark hoodie, stop kicking that bin! might actually shock them into stopping being a twat for a bit.
In the end tho, a camera isn't seeing anything a police officer in that area wouldn't see, it's just a question of money.
Do you know what causes more accidents than speed cameras? speeding. I'd be willing to bet that a good portion of the accidents caused by speed cameras are actually caused by people speeding, going "OH SHIT A CAMERA" and then slamming on the brakes losing control of their car.CannibalCorpses said:
It is not the cameras fault you're breaking the law and traveling at a speed that has been deemed dangerous.
You cannot blame speed cameras for causing accidents due to people speeding and needing to suddenly brake any more than you can blame a Judge for being the number #1 cause of people being sent to jail. It is the criminals fault, not the thing that catches the criminal behavior.
If you're driving safely, and at the speed limit, A speed camera is no more a hindrance to your driving than a postbox or street light. You'd never need to look for them and you'd never need to quickly change your driving speed/behavior.
To tidy certain points up:
Speed cameras use a single camera to track a vehicle between two points on the road and determine its speed.
Some CCTV cameras now come with both microphones and loudspeakers
While I expect city centre cameras to be monitored during the 'peak hours of naughtiness' they aren't monitored all the time. They're also trying to watch multiple screens at once and this is likely to grow as the number of them increase. Therefore as I said they're best used in conjunction with traditional enforcement rather than as a replacement.
Yes people have been caught thanks to CCTV, but many more haven't due to covering their faces then leaving the CCTV covered area.
In terms of car-parking companies. Except for those council-run ones they're private individuals and they can't fine you. What they are doing is invoicing you for breaching the contract/terms and conditions you agreed to by using their facilities.
Speed cameras use a single camera to track a vehicle between two points on the road and determine its speed.
Some CCTV cameras now come with both microphones and loudspeakers
While I expect city centre cameras to be monitored during the 'peak hours of naughtiness' they aren't monitored all the time. They're also trying to watch multiple screens at once and this is likely to grow as the number of them increase. Therefore as I said they're best used in conjunction with traditional enforcement rather than as a replacement.
Yes people have been caught thanks to CCTV, but many more haven't due to covering their faces then leaving the CCTV covered area.
In terms of car-parking companies. Except for those council-run ones they're private individuals and they can't fine you. What they are doing is invoicing you for breaching the contract/terms and conditions you agreed to by using their facilities.
I'm not from Britain but it's quite obvious the cameras do squat to prevent crime. It drove crime even more underground so basically, whilst murders don't occur in bright daylight they still do occur in back alleys and such making it harder for the police to actually catch criminals. You can't convict someone of murder when there's scarce evidence and no witnesses.
CCTV does NOT invade anyone's privacy unless the camera is pointed through your window. It is not some evil government scheme to spy on people and it wont ever lead to a Big Brother state because most of our politicians don't want to upset the Status Quo - they are making a decent living and, until recently, were raking it in on "expenses". Besides, half of those numpties wouldn't notice the public backlash to any move towards totalitarianism until it's too late because they have no idea what the public mood is despite everyone telling them what it is.
Sorry...
CCTV doesn't make me feel threatened or invaded in any way, shape or form. Cameras are only located in public places and while their effectiveness is highly questionable, the simple truth is that I hardly notice them when I'm out and about and pay them little or no mind when I do.
Wardy
Sorry...
CCTV doesn't make me feel threatened or invaded in any way, shape or form. Cameras are only located in public places and while their effectiveness is highly questionable, the simple truth is that I hardly notice them when I'm out and about and pay them little or no mind when I do.
Wardy