Do I object to being seen in the street? No. Newsflash: when you're in a public place, people can see you. You have no privacy irrespective of the cameras.
A question for you Britons here.......
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Actually, CCTV is one of the few things I don't get paranoid about. True, outside they can see you everywhere, but then again, so can everyone else most of the time, and chances are if you're delibrately somewhere no one can see you, you're probably doing something illegitimate.
If you draw your curtains, as I'm sure everyone does anyway if they want to stay private in their homes, they can't see you inside your own home.
In summary, it is a little frightening how many cameras there are in britain, but the benefits to crime prevention and crime solving more than make up for that. Besides, it's kinda nice to have somewhere to show a middle finger to where-ever you are if you get annoyed at the government.
If you draw your curtains, as I'm sure everyone does anyway if they want to stay private in their homes, they can't see you inside your own home.
In summary, it is a little frightening how many cameras there are in britain, but the benefits to crime prevention and crime solving more than make up for that. Besides, it's kinda nice to have somewhere to show a middle finger to where-ever you are if you get annoyed at the government.
Fine by me. Even with the Tories in charge, I pretty much trust my government on this sort of thing.
Lets put it like this, I would much rather have a bunch of camera's watching me than a bunch of cops with guns.Saucycardog said:
Never notice them unless you look for them, there always on top of buildings or as black blobs in stores or buses. (yeah, there's about 5 on each modern bus)
It means cops can track people a lot better, we have shows that show people watching all the camera's and how there followed from street to street as they run.
If you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear. I'm not find of the over surveillance, but it's helped catch criminals, so hey, go nuts.
Well, they aren't looking into my house are they? What the hell are you doing on public streets that you don't want people looking at, to all you people who object to them. Violating your privacy? It isn't your privacy if it's in a public area, and I think what you do in a public area is very much the concern of the government (presuming that it could very well be illegal)
I think the saying goes "You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide"
The cameras are normally high up away from sight lines so it's not like you see a camera wherever you look, and without them we would have caught half as many bastard rioters, let alone bastard criminals in general in the last decade.
Does it bother me that we have them? Yes and no. What really bothers me is that we need them in the first place. But while they are helping put criminals away I'd rather we kept them.
The cameras are normally high up away from sight lines so it's not like you see a camera wherever you look, and without them we would have caught half as many bastard rioters, let alone bastard criminals in general in the last decade.
Does it bother me that we have them? Yes and no. What really bothers me is that we need them in the first place. But while they are helping put criminals away I'd rather we kept them.
It seems ridiculous to criticise them in most cases. They're set up in public places; if you don't want to be seen doing something, don't do it in public. It's like complaining that someone you didn't notice is 'invading your privacy' as you stand in a public park.
I also think it takes a great deal of arrogance to think the the Man, the government, the corporations, the Templars or whoever actually care in the slightest what most of us are doing. You could complain that a camera is allowing the authorities to watch you but in the vast majority of cases, frankly, you aren't remotely important to anyone and nobody has even a slight interest in what you're doing. The man looking at the screen isn't trying to read other peoples' banal text messages; he's either looking for criminals or busy sending his own.
I also think it takes a great deal of arrogance to think the the Man, the government, the corporations, the Templars or whoever actually care in the slightest what most of us are doing. You could complain that a camera is allowing the authorities to watch you but in the vast majority of cases, frankly, you aren't remotely important to anyone and nobody has even a slight interest in what you're doing. The man looking at the screen isn't trying to read other peoples' banal text messages; he's either looking for criminals or busy sending his own.
I allow other people to see me as I walk down the street so I don't see problems with cameras, I don't do anything wrong so it makes no difference to me.
What a silly language we share, Americons and us.
Anyway, i find that i notice the cameras that cover most building corners, but i cant say that it bothers me.
The main problem seems to be the amount it costs to run and maintain and get any sort of use out of, during an age of austerity, when thousands are being made redunant, and we can't afford to be a country anymore.
We can catch the dumb criminals, at least, and it seems to work for placing a 'person' at a place at a time- which is something...i suppose.
now if only we could afford a police force.
Anyway, i find that i notice the cameras that cover most building corners, but i cant say that it bothers me.
The main problem seems to be the amount it costs to run and maintain and get any sort of use out of, during an age of austerity, when thousands are being made redunant, and we can't afford to be a country anymore.
We can catch the dumb criminals, at least, and it seems to work for placing a 'person' at a place at a time- which is something...i suppose.
now if only we could afford a police force.
Okay, the camera's aren't in your house yet, but the more prevalent they become, the more likelyhood of them being needed everywhere, including in your house.Mr Ink 5000 said:
Better?
There is when I mistype it 0mental_looney said:Sorry I will clarify that. "however it's only really an issue in larger centres of population. It's not like there are cameras on the streets of every tiny village like the one I live in. However I can only really comment for Scotland having not been really anywhere in England. Camera installations on the street are not as prevalent but are still in shops and train stations and bus stations and those kind of places."glyn said:
Oh and BTW there is no g in looney.
Just because they're not everywhere round your way at the moment, doesn't mean they won't be at some point.
If you ever feel tempted to visit London (I'd recommend against it, I went once, it rained) you'll notice them more, probably as you're not used to them.
Where do you live?Kekkles said:
Unless you're in the city centreThe Evrant Knight said:
If something happened, would you rather a burly policeman be there to sort it instantly or have to wait while the bloke in the control room gets someone on the phone, figures out who's closest and then you wait 10 minutes till they arrive. In the meantime, you're lying on the floor bleeding and your wallet and the miscreant have gone. Again, real world example from a mate.Jason Fayers said:
And no, I wouldn't trust anyone with anything sensitive as humans are incredibly fallible.
BTW if anyone see's a flashdrive with "Glyn" written on in sparkly stars, let me know
The UK is made up of 4 countries, it's not 1. But as a collective and unanimous opinion: No, it isn't a bother. I mean, it's only a real problem if you're up to no good. Right? It's like when Microsoft say they're rolling out 10,000 console bans to cheaters and hackers. You don't get worried then because you're innocent.
Being watched by a camera means nothing. I would say 70% the time nobody even see you through the camera as the footage gets overwritten by footage the following week. It's just there as a precaution for police/ security to review if somethign happened within sight of the camera.
Being watched by a camera means nothing. I would say 70% the time nobody even see you through the camera as the footage gets overwritten by footage the following week. It's just there as a precaution for police/ security to review if somethign happened within sight of the camera.
I find the question kinda funny. Everywhere in the world people are so vocal about their privacy,( even in a public open domain which is never private) but in the UK, there be camera's and people have learned to live with them.
You see, there is not a guy watching all those camera's, taking snapshots of you and watching if you have your metaphorical hand in your pants. It's for watching people that cause trouble.
The funny thing about this is, everyone always immediatly thinks the worst of it and probably blow it out of proportion. I myself find that I have no issue with camera's outside. Hell place them inside my home if you want. Not like I have something to hide.
You see, there is not a guy watching all those camera's, taking snapshots of you and watching if you have your metaphorical hand in your pants. It's for watching people that cause trouble.
The funny thing about this is, everyone always immediatly thinks the worst of it and probably blow it out of proportion. I myself find that I have no issue with camera's outside. Hell place them inside my home if you want. Not like I have something to hide.
Yes, thank you.glyn said:
I think it'd be a massive step, and need a massive amount of legislation before that could happen. But if it did, my opinon on camera's would change.
I'll keep an eye out for it, did you retrace your steps?
