A Response to Extra Credits "Learning from Other M."

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The-Epicly-Named-Man said:
No offence, but you're reading into this too much. I get where your coming from, but from what I've read (I havent played the game, but I've read the plot on Wikipedia, and have heard a lot about it on online forums such as this site) it just seems like the developer didnt know what to do with the character. This is Team Ninja we're talking about, what you're getting from this is quite clearly beyond most developers, especially the inventors of jiggle physics. Samus is pretty much the best female character in games, Other M portrayed her as a whiny b*tch, deliberately or not, and ultimately listening to a whining b*tch ,with one of the worst voice actors I've ever heard (YouTube videos), monologuing for a few hours probably caused a lot of players' hard feelings towards the game and character. Or maybe I'm full of sh*t and your right.

And as EC clearly stated, Team Ninja didn't write this. Yoshio Sakamoto, the man who helped co-create Metroid, did. If anyone understands the character, I'd say it's probably him. I think people forget that Team Ninja mostly worked on gameplay, not story. Did they have some impact? Yes. But the stories to Team Ninja's games aren't bad. Was the execution of said story bad? Yes. But that kind of misses the point of my post.
Mr.K. said:
The core concepts are always good but they stay with the developer, it's the execution that we players haveto endure and we haveto call it shit so the developers execute it better next time.
There is alot of game characters who went down the "lost everyone" path, but noone made them this fucking horrible... well atleast we can call it something new.
Again, I don't disagree with you that the game wasn't good. I don't even disagree that the execution was done shoddily, I state that quite clearly in the OP. However, the core concepts should be preserved, and that's what everyone is missing. Yes, most of the game is shit, but it's shit that's wrapped around a diamond the size of my head, and I for one will happily dig through the excrement to preserve that.
 

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The fact that she wouldn't turn on the Varia Suit is abysmally stupid because she is a professional bounty hunter. The only reason I can think of for her to not turn on a purely defensive upgrade was to not hurt Adam's feelings because he has zero authority over her. She is supposed to know what she is doing, hell she turns on the Space Jump and Screw Attack without Adam's permission when he shuts up for reasons that aren't really explained. I mean really, she chose that particular moment to not be a total dip shit?. Samus also had no reason at all to hesitate when seeing Ridley (again) and let the "Remember me" guy get pseudo killed. Don't give the post traumatic stress excuse, Samus has killed Ridley after he was been brought back to life multiple times, Ridley being cloned is nothing even remotely close to new.

Finally... Adam being an abusive father figure... No...
 

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TheMaddestHatter said:
I've heard this from just about every corner of the Internet, how everything Other: M did was contrary to what we know about Samus. I contest this: It's contrary to everything we THOUGHT we knew about Samus.
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OP is based pretty much entirely on speculation. What the video stated at the end, though, is true: we were given enough info on Samus' character through her actions that she was not a blank slate. OP appears to be very intent on defending what I found to be overall a fairly enjoyable game, but I think it's flaws are undeniable. Poor organization and micro-managing hurt this game. Hell, if it hadn't been spearheaded by one of Nintendo's big shots I wouldn't be surprised if they dismissed it from the canon in a few years.

The Ridley argument also makes no sense. You argued that Samus only fought "robot versions" of Ridley since the first Metroid. Let me then point you to Super Metroid, Metroid Prime and Metroid Prime: Corruption, all three of which feature flesh-and-blood, familiar as ever, purple-colored Ridley.

As for "no other outcome," that makes absolutely no sense. OP seemed to have forgotten that the character walked away from the military lifestyle for exactly the same reason that there is no way she would ignore her suit powers when her life was in danger, so her army background wouldn't command her to act in such a suicidal way.

Now, someone please explain just what the Hell Phantoon was doing showing up for no good reason at the end of the game.
 

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TheMaddestHatter said:
Mate, he forces her to run through a fiery cave without any protection when all she has to do is flip a switch to save herself. He is constantly dismissive, demeaning, and cold to her. If the second isn't abusive, the first clearly is.
"Mate", that part was only in there to shoe horn in a reason for eventually needing to acquire the Varia Suit like in most Metroid games. It had nothing to do with blatant abuse, it was a result of a shitty and inconsistent script.
 

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Aerograt said:
"Mate", that part was only in there to shoe horn in a reason for eventually needing to acquire the Varia Suit like in most Metroid games. It had nothing to do with blatant abuse, it was a result of a shitty and inconsistent script.
Sure, if you want to assume that the game is just a piece of shit through and through. Or, you can respect that the man who wrote the story helped co-create Metroid, and the character itself. But hey, that doesn't mean he has any idea what the character is like, right?
 

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Since you like analysing your characters have you tried analysing Samus without taking other M into account? Also you seem to have missed a few details. If the chozo trained her to be an unstoppable killing machine why does she seem to have such great respect and admiration for their work? In other games she is aggressive and dominant. She recieves salutes and admiration from other soldiers and bountyhunters. Even in Prime 3 (where she is given much more characterization than most people say) the other bountyhunters exclaim her to be the best, perhaps even a bit ruthless to her enemies. But they all like her and speak to her as a collegue or friend would. This doesn't rhyme well with your arguments to her post-traumatic stress disorder.

In fact i would claim that in the other games before other-m she doesn't seem to have any disorder at all. She seems to be a reasonably well-adjusted person who happens to be a proffessional killer and former soldier. Of course she carries a lot of bagage, everyone does. But it would be silly to think that a character who has shown such strength and resiliance in other parts of her life that have been much more frightening and indeed reminded her just as much of the killing of her people as meeting Ridley in Other-M would freeze up like that. She has to me always seemed strong-willed enough to handle most frightening and shocking situations she had to deal with.

As for her relationship with Adam in other-M i do think it is redicolous, but not so much because of how Adam is portrayed but how she is portrayed. In Fusion it is quite apparent that Adam is a person she would follow into hell and back not because of any other reason than that she likes and respects him. Does she need more reason than that? I don't think so.

But the Samus in other-M is much like how you described. And if placed in context with earlier games your analysis could be applied. I don't agree however, Other-M does fit like a mold around the entire series if you wish it to, but the other games in the series don't fit around it. So i think it shouldn't and probably won't be accepted in the canon.
 

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TheMaddestHatter said:
Aerograt said:
"Mate", that part was only in there to shoe horn in a reason for eventually needing to acquire the Varia Suit like in most Metroid games. It had nothing to do with blatant abuse, it was a result of a shitty and inconsistent script.
Sure, if you want to assume that the game is just a piece of shit through and through. Or, you can respect that the man who wrote the story helped co-create Metroid, and the character itself. But hey, that doesn't mean he has any idea what the character is like, right?
This game isn't completely terrible, however its only redeeming qualities are in the core gameplay of exploring, shooting things, and *new* dodging things with a neat roll move. Its script is not the diamond the size of your head you are speaking of because, and it doesn't matter who the script is written by if the script is BAD, it made Samus a joke.
 

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Aerograt said:
This game isn't completely terrible, however its only redeeming qualities are in the core gameplay of exploring, shooting things, and *new* dodging things with a neat roll move. Its script is not the diamond the size of your head you are speaking of because, and it doesn't matter who the script is written by if the script is BAD, it made Samus a joke.
No, it made her human, and most people can't stand it. It turned her from an untouchable badass into a flawed, scared human being, who is only "independent" and "tough" because she can't handle real people or real emotions and is drawn into abusive relationships. It's who she's always been, Other: M just confirmed it.

Mithain said:
Since you like analysing your characters have you tried analysing Samus without taking other M into account? Also you seem to have missed a few details. If the chozo trained her to be an unstoppable killing machine why does she seem to have such great respect and admiration for their work? In other games she is aggressive and dominant. She recieves salutes and admiration from other soldiers and bountyhunters. Even in Prime 3 (where she is given much more characterization than most people say) the other bountyhunters exclaim her to be the best, perhaps even a bit ruthless to her enemies. But they all like her and speak to her as a collegue or friend would. This doesn't rhyme well with your arguments to her post-traumatic stress disorder.

In fact i would claim that in the other games before other-m she doesn't seem to have any disorder at all. She seems to be a reasonably well-adjusted person who happens to be a proffessional killer and former soldier. Of course she carries a lot of bagage, everyone does. But it would be silly to think that a character who has shown such strength and resiliance in other parts of her life that have been much more frightening and indeed reminded her just as much of the killing of her people as meeting Ridley in Other-M would freeze up like that. She has to me always seemed strong-willed enough to handle most frightening and shocking situations she had to deal with.

As for her relationship with Adam in other-M i do think it is redicolous, but not so much because of how Adam is portrayed but how she is portrayed. In Fusion it is quite apparent that Adam is a person she would follow into hell and back not because of any other reason than that she likes and respects him. Does she need more reason than that? I don't think so.

But the Samus in other-M is much like how you described. And if placed in context with earlier games your analysis could be applied. I don't agree however, Other-M does fit like a mold around the entire series if you wish it to, but the other games in the series don't fit around it. So i think it shouldn't and probably won't be accepted in the canon.

Yes, and most people who knew me for the last several years couldn't tell you that every morning that I woke up alone I would have shouting matches with myself in the mirror. They couldn't tell you that I heard voices in my head, that I was repressing sociopathic urges, and that I had very little recollection of my day to day life. They would have described me as humorous, somewhat arrogant, intelligent, and a bit absent-minded. But I was still suffering from nearly five years of sleep deprivation and progressively worse psychological disorders. I'm living proof that disorders don't manifest easily if you are good enough at repressing them.

Does she need other motivation to follow Adam? No. She doesn't need any motivation, given that she is a collection of 1s and 0s whose motivation comes from lines of code. She didn't 'need' to have a Metroid latch on to her like she was its mother. She doesn't need to keep fighting. There didn't need to be another Metroid game after the first. Need isn't something that comes into the picture here.

The other games fit around it fine, as long as we ditch pre-conceived notions without any basis to them.
 

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While I'm not quite agreeing with Adam being abusive, I do agree that Samus is not weak as a character for suffering from PTSD. And in regards to the comic: Didn't something VERY similar to what occured with Ridley in Other M happen when she first encounter Ridley (after getting her suit and stuff) in that? I'm pretty sure that was in the "official E-Manga". I originally thought it seemed overdone in Other M, but after reading up on PTSD it seems pretty logical considering her past.
 

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RejjeN said:
While I'm not quite agreeing with Adam being abusive, I do agree that Samus is not weak as a character for suffering from PTSD. And in regards to the comic: Didn't something VERY similar to what occured with Ridley in Other M happen when she first encounter Ridley (after getting her suit and stuff) in that? I'm pretty sure that was in the "official E-Manga". I originally thought it seemed overdone in Other M, but after reading up on PTSD it seems pretty logical considering her past.
Like I said, as a victim of abuse myself I can't acknowledge said accusations as I find them to be tasteless and cheap, mostly done by people who have never experienced first-hand what it's like. Like I did emotionally and physically.

As for the PTSD episode, that's actually pretty much how PTSD works. Sometimes a person is crippled by it, sometimes episodes happen erratically. It's still something you can't really treat.
 

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TheMaddestHatter said:
funguy2121 said:
OP is based pretty much entirely on speculation. What the video stated at the end, though, is true: we were given enough info on Samus' character through her actions that she was not a blank slate. OP appears to be very intent on defending what I found to be overall a fairly enjoyable game, but I think it's flaws are undeniable. Poor organization and micro-managing hurt this game. Hell, if it hadn't been spearheaded by one of Nintendo's big shots I wouldn't be surprised if they dismissed it from the canon in a few years.

The Ridley argument also makes no sense. You argued that Samus only fought "robot versions" of Ridley since the first Metroid. Let me then point you to Super Metroid, Metroid Prime and Metroid Prime: Corruption, all three of which feature flesh-and-blood, familiar as ever, purple-colored Ridley.

As for "no other outcome," that makes absolutely no sense. OP seemed to have forgotten that the character walked away from the military lifestyle for exactly the same reason that there is no way she would ignore her suit powers when her life was in danger, so her army background wouldn't command her to act in such a suicidal way.

Now, someone please explain just what the Hell Phantoon was doing showing up for no good reason at the end of the game.
(1)Ridley was Meta-Ridley for all of those appearances. He was part robot, reconstructed from the pieces she left of him. I've checked my facts on this a dozen times.

(2)Yes, it's mostly speculation, just as the EC video is mostly speculation. The Metroid series is built on speculation, since they haven't told us anything up until this game. Kind of recurring trend.

(3)I'd like to see some evidence as to saying that she walked away from the military because they forced her to ignore her suit powers, if that's alright. I don't remember that, I just remember her leaving and collaborating with the military on several occasions with no objections to her suit powers until Adam showed up.
(1) What facts? Did you get this from manga or some other fan-fiction source? Unless Sakamoto-san has said that all the other Ridleys were cybernetically enhanced based on "the pieces she left of him" but somehow were yet not Ridley, up until the Other M one, there is no reason to believe this other than it helps to defend a game you like and the design choices involved. The Ridley at the end of Prime 1 has a mechanical look to it; the rest do not. The Prime games themselves state more than once that Ridley has "recovered" from your last attack.

(2) The only parts of the video involving speculation were about what went wrong at Nintendo and did not pertain to the story. Also, you seemed to miss out on the statements that I bolded and to have forgotten the claim you just made. They haven't told us anything up until this game? Well, not except that the pirates like to take a leftover Ridley-leg and build a robot around it every so often.

(3) Re-read the text you quoted. That's not the statement I made (I bolded it for you, above). Samus walked away from the military after a fellow soldier was left to die, and expected to sacrifice himself for everyone else - and this all from Other M's cinematics. That doesn't gel with the notion that she'd be subservient and sacrifice herself for her former commander. You should face facts - Other M was poorly organized, and in poor taste. Also, in what numerous other occasions did Samus work with the military? Are you referring to the two segments in Prime 3 as "several occasions?"
 

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I tried to read it but there was just too much nonsense.

Let me explain to you why Samus' characterisation was so blatantly shit in 'Other M' - because up to that point she did what was necessary when it was necessary to survive. She never made it hard for herself because daddy didn't give her permission.
 

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TheMaddestHatter said:
Yes, I realize she's killed him a dozen times by now, and I think that's the point: She's killed him in the original game, and he had to come back as a robot for most of his tenure through the other games.
You know, to this point I've always considered this piece of info to mean that Samus ends up killing Ridley, Ridley's family and robotic twin. This is mainly due to a clashing understanding of Ridley dying in each game coupled with the games connected timeline.

After all, no one implied there's only one giant lava space dragon in the universe... maybe it's just the family business.

I believe if the game was voiced in a language I didn't understand and had subtitles, it wouldn't have sounded so bed. For some reason, bad dialog doesn't sound as bad when reading it as opposed to hearing it.
 

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I never played Other M. I'm guessing this whole thing where Samus doesn't use certain powers till the army guy orders her to is just a way of making the Metroid formula not look exactly the same as every previous game, but what was the storyline reason for him doing that? I mean, does he tell her to power down all non-essential functions at the start for some possibly-valid reason, or is it just that you can't use anything till he goes "this corridor is all on fire and stuff Samus. Maybe switch on that heat-resistant armour you've had on you this entire time."

If it's the second option, and there is a sequence where you're burning to death because the Varia suit is just locked out for no reason, then that's really clumsy writing.
 

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funguy2121 said:
(1) What facts? Did you get this from manga or some other fan-fiction source? Unless Sakamoto-san has said that all the other Ridleys were cybernetically enhanced based on "the pieces she left of him" but somehow were yet not Ridley, up until the Other M one, there is no reason to believe this other than it helps to defend a game you like and the design choices involved. The Ridley at the end of Prime 1 has a mechanical look to it; the rest do not. The Prime games themselves state more than once that Ridley has "recovered" from your last attack.

(2) The only parts of the video involving speculation were about what went wrong at Nintendo and did not pertain to the story. Also, you seemed to miss out on the statements that I bolded and to have forgotten the claim you just made. They haven't told us anything up until this game? Well, not except that the pirates like to take a leftover Ridley-leg and build a robot around it every so often.

(3) Re-read the text you quoted. That's not the statement I made (I bolded it for you, above). Samus walked away from the military after a fellow soldier was left to die, and expected to sacrifice himself for everyone else - and this all from Other M's cinematics. That doesn't gel with the notion that she'd be subservient and sacrifice herself for her former commander. You should face facts - Other M was poorly organized, and in poor taste. Also, in what numerous other occasions did Samus work with the military? Are you referring to the two segments in Prime 3 as "several occasions?"
1. My information comes straight from the games. Especially in the Prime Series, where he primarily appears, Ridley is Meta-Ridley for every appearance save his last, where he has been enhanced to Omega Ridley by Phazon corruption, and is still technically more machine than man. If you've played the games, you should know this, it's a major plot point and it's how all his data entries read when you scan him.

2. Again, you misconstrue what I've said. Nintendo has given us plenty of clues as to who Samus is and how she operates, but we've mis-interpreted them because we want our heroes to be unstoppable stoic space marine badasses instead of actual people who are just trying to hold it together for one more day.

3. She worked with them in Prime 3, and I believe in "Hunters", and I believe at their behest in Super Metroid, as well as Fusion. I not 100% about Super Metroid and Hunters, since I didn't play the latter and it was roughly the Cretaceous Era when I played Super Metroid, but she has collaborated with the Military more than once.

You are assuming someone suffering from psychological disorders is going to act as a rational, consistent being? That's a new twist on how psychology works. Yes, that's made clear from Samus's point of view . As we've already established though, waaaaay back in the original post, I believe Sakamoto is employing the trope of Unreliable Narrator with Samus. What she says and does doesn't add up because it's not supposed to add up. We aren't supposed to understand or relate with her. The reaction you are having is exactly what he was going for, right up until the point where you decided the game just must be bad because your beloved heroine (whom you know less about than we know about the average celebrity) isn't a strong, independent woman, but an emotionally flawed wreck whose life is just paradox after paradox. That's the only outcome that makes sense when you consider what we do know of Samus. I mean, being trained to be a killing machine, set to what is basically genocide, by a race of professed pacifists? That's not something that's easy to rationalize in one's mind.
 

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Nackl of Gilmed said:
I never played Other M. I'm guessing this whole thing where Samus doesn't use certain powers till the army guy orders her to is just a way of making the Metroid formula not look exactly the same as every previous game, but what was the storyline reason for him doing that? I mean, does he tell her to power down all non-essential functions at the start for some possibly-valid reason, or is it just that you can't use anything till he goes "this corridor is all on fire and stuff Samus. Maybe switch on that heat-resistant armour you've had on you this entire time."

If it's the second option, and there is a sequence where you're burning to death because the Varia suit is just locked out for no reason, then that's really clumsy writing.
Her weapons could possibly kill people were a stray shot fired and her power bombs are powerful enough to vaporize things. The Varia Suit is clumsy writing, but unfortunately this is the thing about games: gameplay and story are segregated. That's literally the explanation for the Varia Suit, "because the GAMEPLAY said so"
 

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TheMaddestHatter said:
1. My information comes straight from the games. Especially in the Prime Series, where he primarily appears, Ridley is Meta-Ridley for every appearance save his last, where he has been enhanced to Omega Ridley by Phazon corruption, and is still technically more machine than man. If you've played the games, you should know this, it's a major plot point and it's how all his data entries read when you scan him.

2. Again, you misconstrue what I've said. Nintendo has given us plenty of clues as to who Samus is and how she operates, but we've mis-interpreted them because we want our heroes to be unstoppable stoic space marine badasses instead of actual people who are just trying to hold it together for one more day.

3. She worked with them in Prime 3, and I believe in "Hunters", and I believe at their behest in Super Metroid, as well as Fusion. I not 100% about Super Metroid and Hunters, since I didn't play the latter and it was roughly the Cretaceous Era when I played Super Metroid, but she has collaborated with the Military more than once.

You are assuming someone suffering from psychological disorders is going to act as a rational, consistent being? That's a new twist on how psychology works. Yes, that's made clear from Samus's point of view . As we've already established though, waaaaay back in the original post, I believe Sakamoto is employing the trope of Unreliable Narrator with Samus. What she says and does doesn't add up because it's not supposed to add up. We aren't supposed to understand or relate with her. The reaction you are having is exactly what he was going for, right up until the point where you decided the game just must be bad because your beloved heroine (whom you know less about than we know about the average celebrity) isn't a strong, independent woman, but an emotionally flawed wreck whose life is just paradox after paradox. That's the only outcome that makes sense when you consider what we do know of Samus. I mean, being trained to be a killing machine, set to what is basically genocide, by a race of professed pacifists? That's not something that's easy to rationalize in one's mind.
1. The title "Meta-ridley" alone doesn't have any meaning beyond what you and I assign it. Ridley was not scan-able in her first appearances in Prime and Prime 3, when he looked just as he did in the original, in Super, and in Other M. As you said, with Super you're assuming. If you were writing Other M or a sequel, you could use that to take the plot in the direction you want, because it's really not defined either way. But, you'd have to blur some lines since in most of his reappearances he looks the same as the original, and you'd still have the hole in that logic created by the fact that the Ridley that triggers the freak-out episode is not the same Ridley that Samus first fought. - you see it as an infant earlier in Other M.

2. I'm confused as to what you're trying to argue. Did Nintendo leave it all up for conjecture, as you stated in your last post, or have they given us plenty of clues? Again, you may look to the bolded text above for my opinion, or re-watch the video for more specifics. While it is true that certain details, especially superficial ones, will be projected onto any silent protagonist by the player, both my point of view and the one presented by Extra Credits focus on what we know for sure based on past games. If you've been watching Extra Credits for a while or have spoken to me about movies or comics before, you know that we both like our characters flawed. Not everyone is a post-Halo adolescent who interprets the silent hero the way you described. The "betrayal" that so many people have discussed regarding Other M, that of Samus' character, hasn't been discussed because of misinterpretations on the part of gamers and reviewers. It has been discussed because the way that Samus was portrayed in Other M contradicts what we know about Samus, without extrapolation, based on previous games. Most of the big, dramatic moments in the game involve Samus having to get her ass saved or submitting in a way that defies the same logic that got her to leave the military in the first place. You said that you strongly believe Sakimoto was intentionally using Unreliable Narration as a literary device. I think it would have been obvious, in clearly definable ways, if the writers didn't want us to take the narration at face value. Narration itself is, in almost all cases, a means of exposition and nothing more. If we are told not to accept the sole means of story progression in the game, I think it would be only at specific points and it would be glaringly obvious (again, in clearly definable terms). There is no reason to believe that a story is analogous to fallen angels if there are no familiar archetypes or motifs specific to them, and no other indicators. This would seem like projection.

3. As I said, Samus did work with the military in Prime 3. And she was commissioned by the federation to do what she did in the NES and SNES games, and probably all of them. That's not the same as being under the military's employ, and since she's not an outlaw, it doesn't make sense for her to go around blowing up planets and killing sentient beings without legal sanction.

PTSD is an argument that has come about only because of the need Other M's proponents feel to defend the Ridley freak-out scene. At the very least, you have to admit that it's left-field. I believe it was done for dramatic effect alone, and was done without much consideration for all that came before it. In the narration in Fusion, emotional problems resulting from the deaths of her parents were never described as anything manifested in endangering herself while fighting a creature she had killed four times. It is inevitable that such bad writing will beg the questions: Why hasn't this happened before? Why have we never even heard of this?

I'm curious as to why we are not supposed to understand or relate to Samus, as you stated. Is this not supposed to be an empathetic character?

You're still assigning far too much of your own meaning in interpreting this story. I wouldn't call Samus my beloved heroine. I don't even think about her when she's not here! But if you're going to delve into a character, why not make it interesting? When talking about the "genocide" of the pirates, I think you forget that Metroid was very influenced by Alien and its sequel; Hell, the reason Samus is a woman is the character of Ripley (though Ridley was much more likely named for the director of the first film, Ridley Scott). Ripley's goal throughout the entire series is to exterminate the aliens, and it's never seen as genocide (though the Xenomorphs aren't sentient, the Pirates are just as dangerous as they are).

It's interesting that you think of Samus as a "wreck." Why can't she be flawed without being a wreck? And, if she is indeed a wreck, how has she pulled off all of the things she has done, without being saved as she was in Other M, or ever having a freakout episode which nearly got her killed? This is not rational. It's like stating "paradox after paradox" without really naming any. So, looking at this epistemologically, in the absence of absolute truth, we must proceed with what the strongest evidence suggests. Even though it is art and every detail has not been clearly spelled out, there are things that we can reasonably infer and there are assumptions that really don't make any sense. If the Chozo were ever presented as pacifists, it was only in the scan-narrative of Prime 1, and you could reasonably state that either they lived apart from other Chozo colonies, both in location and in lifestyle, or that although they were pacifist they didn't think their selves above defending their lives against enemies. And no one ever said that Samus was trained to be a killing machine. We never see her even attack another sentient life form other than the pirates (except maybe rival bounty hunters in Prime Hunters, maybe?).
 

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LastGreatBlasphemer said:
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Nintendo hasn't used the comic in a game yet, because we've never had an origin story game for Samus.

Reason why the comic is canon and Other M is not now: Nintendo wrote the comic, stands by it, and approves of it. Nintendo did NOT write Other M, it was mostly collaborative between the cutscene makers and handled by Team Ninja. Nintendo may have provided the base, but they were the producers, not the writers. And Nintendo rejects the product now.

The fact that Nintendo says, "Comics are cannon, game is crap" is proof enough against you. They don't have to use it in a game, that's why it's a comic. It's not a Halo novel where it's handled by someone completely different. It was BY Nintendo. Simply ignoring it condenses your argument to petty whining on what you want it to be.

Samus doesn't appear badass, she is shown time and again to be so. Ridley died many times, so many in fact that any trauma she suffered from him would be pushed to the back of her mind. She had conquered all he had done to her, on many occasions. Psychologically, she would have to confront him many times, but would know she is strong enough to be beat him every time. Not piss her pants and have Nam flashbacks every time he popped up. If anything the fact that he is here unscathed and knowing that he is a clone would disassociate him to the trauma. There is no cruel intent that there would have been before. Ridley is just Ridley now, she's no longer facing the great pirate and murderer. She's torn him a new one so bad that they couldn't rebuild him a 45th time. Now it's just a clueless monster that looks like him.
"Nintendo rejects it now." Pleeeeease source. If that's true it can only mean good news, esp. with higher ups at Retro saying last year that they'd be happy to do another Prime.