- Nov 29, 2009
Damn, forgot to get my frontrow seat. Anyone got the popcorn?
I think they are from the same game...but I havnt playes itElPatron said:No. To me it says "I am a retard for wearing a reflective headbang that can be seen from miles away. Also, my arms are not covered for some reason and I'm clearly white so my skin is pretty visible. In real life I would die in half a second."
Also, I could argue his choice in swords would also get him killed.
EDIT: still don't see the problem. One character is a retard that is powerful because PLOT CONVENIENCE and the other has tits. I haven't played the game but it sounds like they belong to the same game.
The first three replies did not deviate from that. Not interested in reading 5 pages, I was arguing a specific part of the thread and how it was misinterpreted - nothing else.Trilligan said:3) There are plenty of people who disagree with me but do so in a calm, logical manner, supporting their points with well-reasoned opinions and generally acting like sane people.
Wording.Trilligan said:only type of people on that side of the argument
All coincidental. The male suit and equipment look devoid of any function. Besides, he's supposed to be a ninja and those games aren't about stealth.Vault101 said:his outfit may be it still looks more funtional...
They are more equal than you imagine.Vault101 said:my point with all of this is male and female sexuality/objectification are different (this goes beyond just games and media) those two pictures are not eaqual in terms of objectification, the ninja and her are not interchangable
Eh, isn't that blonde "gal" Maximilian Pegasus?Snowbell said:I see this thread has crashed and burned, never mind I'll just leave these examples of what are, in my opinion, well written, attractive female characters
I've just picked a bunch at random, I tried to go for a wide spread and wanted to include some well written-yet-scantily-clad heroines, but couldn't think of any other than the Black Lagoon girls. Sadly I reckon that if a character's being dressed in as little clothing as possible any hope of her being more than a pair of breasts on legs has gone out of the question.
Someone said earlier in this thread that a well-written female is just one that isn't swamped by her sexuality, and I heartily agree with that
Nope, it's Sir Integra Fairbrook Winsgate Hellsing from the anime series Hellsing, and yes she's femaleCalibanbutcher said:Eh, isn't that blonde "gal" Maximilian Pegasus?
The resemblöance is striking to say the least.
First, sorry for taking so long to respond, workload at university got heavier than expected and coming back to a thread that had essentially turned into a smouldering trainwreck put me off a rather hefty tad from replying.Ramzal said:snip
"Victimized" strikes me as a rather strange term in this context. I get what you mean, but I still find it an odd choice of words. But I digress.And if you believe women are being victimized in video games, don't you believe that by extension men are too due to over dramatic muscle tone, beautiful female features, and gruff appearances/tough guy personalities?
War setting, fair enough. Your first stumbling block is of course the fantasy setting. Think about that word for a second. Fantasy. That's right, folks, in a fantasy female characters can do what they want, because the same rules as on earth don't apply.Womplord said:I don't think that the 'strong women' that some of you guys want is any more realistic anyway. I mean, how many woman would be able to compete alongside men in a war, adventure, fantasy, etc setting? I can't think of many games at all where it would be realistic.
I'm a bit late to the party but I just wanted to pip in and say that this is pretty much my thoughts exactly, agree completely. If people/women want good female characters that current game developers aren't providing, then it's up to them to make the characters they want to see. Add to that the fact that the software/tech industry is literally a sausage fest to the point where universities are throwing a ton scholarships left and right to get women in there and it's no wonder that there's so much pandering to the male demographic. More game developers are male, therefore they make what they know and like.Legion said:Women are "not allowed" power fantasies? According to whom? Who is stopping women from having them? Is there a law? Are people blocking women from having these characters?
Or are developers simply not wanting to make games like that?
If it is the second example, what business is it of yours how people decide to spend their money on their own products? What right do you have to say "Stop trying to sell your products to men using ridiculously overly sexualised women."?
Yay! Bringing up this topic again, but this comment kind of rages me hard.Legion said:Yes I have the right to want those things changed, and yes I have the right to express my opinion. But I do not have the right to state that the industry ought to change to satisfy my own personal desires.Moonlight Butterfly said:Yeah it's just super that they are unrealistic to pander to men and women are allowed 0 power fantasies. Like I said you are okay with it because it panders to you.ElPatron said:snip.
And nor do you.
You clearly didn't read my post thoroughly then, as I gave several examples of things that I'd like changed, that I explicitly stated that I had the right to want changed, but do not have the right to demand it.Conner42 said:*snip*
But, at that same time, this is kind of a worthy thing to demand. It's not comparable to Borderlands' art style.Legion said:You clearly didn't read my post thoroughly then, as I gave several examples of things that I'd like changed, that I explicitly stated that I had the right to want changed, but do not have the right to demand it.Conner42 said:*snip*
I am also not referring to obvious things such as poor business models (rushing out shoddy games because people will buy it due to the name), treating your customers like criminals (excessive DRM) or rehashing the same game over and over until it's bled dry (Guitar Hero-esque games).
I am referring to artistic decisions such as character creation, settings, genres and art style.
For example people criticised Borderlands for having it's cell shaded art as it was considered "lazy", so do they have the right to demand it be more realistic? Are they invested in the product? Have they spent time, effort or money on it?
If not, why do they have the right to demand such things? To want it, sure, to suggest it, yes, to say that it'd influence their decision to buy it, why not.
But to outright say "You have to make it with a normal visual style?"
Absolutely fucking not, it's not theirs, and nobody is forcing them to buy it. Video games are a luxury, not a right.
I think people are forgetting the monetary aspect of the business. Artistic games, or ones that cater to a specific demographic beyond the norm, are not normally successful; nor is there a way to gauge the success of a new venture before it's released. People look at the successful, and try to copy it. Who would have guessed that 'Angry Birds' would have made that much money?Conner42 said:Snip