a strange phenomenon

[ZenMonkey47]

The thought "I dislike this movie/book/game/etc, it should never have been made" has always struck me as odd.

For example, I'm not a big fan of shooters and as such I can't say I'm a fan of the Halo series. So if I hear that there's going to be a Halo 4 (just for supposition, cool your jets anti-fanboys) a part of me wants to say "Why are they making another Halo? That's just stupid." However, when I think rationally about this response I wonder why I should have this reaction. Obviously whether the game comes out or not doesn't directly affect me in the least as I'm not going to buy the game and support it's creators and it's not like Master Chief is going to put a gun (a large pink one, that appears to be made by Mattel) to my head and demand I buy it. And hey, maybe someone out there will really enjoy the game, who am I to take that from them.

It's the same logic behind the roasting of Harry Potter books, but they go a step further and actually buy the books they're going to burn. A bit of a mixed message to the publishing company.

So, does anyone else have this kind of reasoning, if so why? Is it a position based on arrogance and elitism or is there something else going on?

 

[Frybird]

In the Case of Harry Potter, it just makes me angry how:

a) Everyone talks about how great they are, wich for me is just an obvious lack of knowledge of what great writing actually is.

b) (Important) These books sell so much more than actually good books.

I think the second point makes us hate popular things we don't find to be any good and let's us ignore that maybe we just should the people who like that thing let them be.

(But seriously, i especially hate these people who only read Harry Potter or Dan Brown Books and never touch any other book unless everyone else reads it)

 

[Lord Krunk]

Yeah, but the thing about Harry Potter is that it's immersive.

When you read it, you want to be there. In that world.

A lot of books can't do that, no matter how much better they are.

Seeming as it is a book aimed at youths who share the same views as me, then I would have to say that it deserves credit.

 

[Dommyboy]

The new plot twists in the new WoW expansion, Wrath of the Lich King. Blizzard are obviously running out of ideas here, the story is becoming as predictable as turning on a light.

 

[Walden]

Yeah, but the thing about Harry Potter is that it's immersive.

When you read it, you want to be there. In that world.

A lot of books can't do that, no matter how much better they are.

Seeming as it is a book aimed at youths who share the same views as me, then I would have to say that it deserves credit.

I would like to see a book that is "better" than Harry Potter and which also doesn't have a immersive environment. To me, immersion is one of the criteria of a good book.

EDIT: I don't consider the HP books to be all that immersive, especially the later ones where all that happened was JKR repeating the same set pieces over and over again.

 

[Lord Krunk]

Yeah, but the thing about Harry Potter is that it's immersive.

When you read it, you want to be there. In that world.

A lot of books can't do that, no matter how much better they are.

Seeming as it is a book aimed at youths who share the same views as me, then I would have to say that it deserves credit.

I would like to see a book that is "better" than Harry Potter and which also doesn't have a immersive environment. To me, immersion is one of the criteria of a good book.

EDIT: I don't consider the HP books to be all that immersive, especially the later ones where all that happened was JKR repeating the same set pieces over and over again.

Remember: Aimed at kids. With imaginations.

 

[DannyDamage]

(RE: Your beef with Harry Potter buyers/haters)
Dude, this pisses me off more than anything. Look at all the forced sequels of films (after 10-20 years), revived TV shows, bastardised comic to live action films. Fans of the original sources complain like hell that their stuff has been made to look stupid, but do they do what I do and boycott the cinema?

Do they fuck! They turn up, pay through the nose and then come out thinking it was crap. They've just told the industry to keep doing what they're doing even though they (the fans) don't approve. But it's okay, because now all the cool kids think you're great because you didn't miss out.

Give me a break.

 

[Mezza]

yes it is true that some people dont giv a rat ass about certain games that come out,
me for instance didnt care that fifa 09 came out, i didnt even no that it came out my friend was braggin about and i didnt care i am a big shooters fan iv finished all halos like 5 times each on all difficulties and that i think was purely because of the storyline.....
however i could not sit through a single mach of fifa 09

and im a hardcore game i absolutely love games...... i guess it is strange how people ract to different games. but who can look me in the eyes and seriously not say that they arnt looking forward to gears 2, fallout3, far cry 2, left 4 dead, and fable (which now has guns so is somwat a shooter lol not really)with the slightest amount of intreague (ok i dnt no how to spell that word lol)

 

[Mezza]

theres a story to wow now

 

[Noamuth]

I give the Harry Potter series credit for getting me back in to reading fantasy novels. I'm very grateful for that.

Now, that being said, I fucking raged when I saw the whole series listed higher than To Kill A Mockingbird in a recent poll of 'Best Books'.

Back on topic, I know that it's pointless for me to rage about, say, FFXIII coming out, since I'm not even buying it (hell, I'm not even going to see any of it if I can help it). But I have to hear about it. I have to hear people raging about these games, saying how great they are, when other amazing games are being ignored.

So.. I guess what I'm trying to say is that even though these things we don't like don't affect us directly and we can avoid them (to an extent), they still annoy and frustrate indirectly and we do have the right to comment on them. Or else we explode. Because of rabid fanboys/girls.

..

Yeah, my brain is foggy tonight.

 

[astaldodhol]

It's like me with Quarantine. I'm a huge [REC] fan, and I don't intend on seeing the movie.
But then I saw threads on another forum ''LOL QUARANTINE IZ TEH BEZT MVOIE EVAR, EEZ SO ORIGINAL'' I raged briefly realized that people were just trolling, and went about my business.
I've gotten over hating things just because they exist.

 

[redstar alpha]

Yeah, but the thing about Harry Potter is that it's immersive.

When you read it, you want to be there. In that world.

A lot of books can't do that, no matter how much better they are.

Seeming as it is a book aimed at youths who share the same views as me, then I would have to say that it deserves credit.

I can think of at least three other series that are more immersive than that series.
1) His Dark Materials
2)Mortal Engines
3)The Discworld Series

(I did once try and read harry potter and found it to be more boring than watching paint dry at the bottom of the sea)

 

[Lord Krunk]

Yeah, but the thing about Harry Potter is that it's immersive.

When you read it, you want to be there. In that world.

A lot of books can't do that, no matter how much better they are.

Seeming as it is a book aimed at youths who share the same views as me, then I would have to say that it deserves credit.

I can think of at least three other series that are more immersive than that series.
1) His Dark Materials
2)Mortal Engines
3)The Discworld Series

(I did once try and read harry potter and found it to be more boring than watching paint dry at the bottom of the sea)

Wait a minute...

Never read Mortal Engines, I agree about His Dark Materials (But it's famous enough to have a movie, so it doesn't really count), and Discworld isn't immersive, It's just a good series with a lot of literary genius incorporated.

And now I will state the thing that I stated in my previous two posts:

AIMED. AT. KIDS.

Children are the audience that this book is associated with, and thus are the demographic that we need to gather our opinions from. And I have to agree; it is a book that you look at, and wish that you were yourself a student at Hogwarts.

Because you don't have the integrity to read a popular book series, your judgement is invalid. I doubt that you even started to read it.

My last argument: It has encouraged HEAPS of kids to read. I mean, have any of your previously mentioned books done so? I don't think so.

Conclusion; It's a good book series, not necessarily the best, but one worthy of note.

And now I'll stop defending Rowling, she can defend herself. With her money. That she earned. From writing books. FOR KIDS.

Eugh.

 

[ZenMonkey47]

i but who can look me in the eyes and seriously not say that they arnt looking forward to gears 2, fallout3, far cry 2, left 4 dead, and fable (which now has guns so is somwat a shooter lol not really)

Uh, I can. See my original post for the reason.

 

[DannyDamage]

^^ Agrees, Harry Potter is simply FOR THE KIDS.

It's like the modern day equivalent of the Pokemon fad of my time.

I mean, yeah there ARE books available, but most kids will just watch the film, buy the happy meals and play the 30 or so video games available.

 

[AuntyEthel]

(RE: Your beef with Harry Potter buyers/haters)
Dude, this pisses me off more than anything. Look at all the forced sequels of films (after 10-20 years), revived TV shows, bastardised comic to live action films. Fans of the original sources complain like hell that their stuff has been made to look stupid, but do they do what I do and boycott the cinema?

Do they fuck! They turn up, pay through the nose and then come out thinking it was crap. They've just told the industry to keep doing what they're doing even though they (the fans) don't approve. But it's okay, because now all the cool kids think you're great because you didn't miss out.

Give me a break.

I agree with you dude. After watching about the fifth comic book adaptation/revived TV show movie/sequel from 20 years ago, I just decided to give up. I didn't watch the new Indiana Jones, the Transformers movie, Iron Man etc etc because I learnt my damn lesson. I get sick of people who tell me, "wow, I saw the new Indiana Jones and it was crap, just like I thought it would be." The producers don't care if someone thinks its crap, as long as they get the money for it.

As for the HP argument (have to add my two cents), even for kids books, they are really badly written. I recall reading books like 1984, Animal Farm and Catcher in the Rye when I was that age, all books with more imagination and an actual deep message to ponder during the formative years.

 

[Redlac]

Wait a minute Lord Krunk.. are you trying to say Harry Potter was for Kids? /joking.

I tend to vote with my feet when it comes to stuff I don't like. Hating something with a passion often gets you as involved as loving it.

Case in point.. all those Christians who bought and Burned Harry Potter Books. Sure, it's a statement and all.. but by buying the books, don't you support the author? My thoughts on this sort of thing belong in another thread.

And why would people do it? No idea. People are weird.

 

[Lord Krunk]

As for the HP argument (have to add my two cents), even for kids books, they are really badly written. I recall reading books like 1984, Animal Farm and Catcher in the Rye when I was that age, all books with more imagination and an actual deep message to ponder during the formative years.

I agree with you about them being better books. But a kid reading 1984? Wha?

Wait a minute Lord Krunk.. are you trying to say Harry Potter was for Kids? /joking.

I tend to vote with my feet when it comes to stuff I don't like. Hating something with a passion often gets you as involved as loving it.

Case in point.. all those Christians who bought and Burned Harry Potter Books. Sure, it's a statement and all.. but by buying the books, don't you support the author? My thoughts on this sort of thing belong in another thread.

And why would people do it? No idea. People are weird.

Yeah, they did that with the Beatles as well. They didn't care, so long as they were paying for them.

 

[Blind Punk Riot]

Hey look its the internet, lets all post our views at the same time whilst disagreeing with everything else.


I love the internet, lets go troll hunting... shouldn't be too hard.

 

[DannyDamage]

I love the internet, lets go troll hunting... shouldn't be too hard.

You're not wrong there.

**Holds up flaming torch** RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!