Ross Perot said:
North Korea may be a completely broken state, but they would certainly not be foolish enough to attack the United States. Even with sensationalist stories of a magic death-weapon, i doubt NK would have the resources to deploy it in the US. And concerning military strength, NK attacking the US would be a molehill attacking a mountain.
They're not just invading the US though, they're also invading South Korea, Japan, "East Asia" and south-east Asia beforehand, ensuring they need to fight around 2 billion people's worth of guerilla fighters along with conventional armies of several million prior to invading the US, which when it comes to realism is like stating that it is entirely plausible that Zimbabwe could take over the world within the next two weeks.
Ross Perot said:
Every country has a stigma behind them, and North Korea especially--in fact, i'd say it has quite the worse stigma: at least the United States government is functional.
Indeed, it's a good thing I never suggested that the game focus on North Korea, and that North Korea and South Korea are two completely different countries.
The South Korean option would at least be within the realm of plausibility, and I doubt that anyone but the Vietnamese and North Korea would feel antipathy against South Korea.
Ross Perot said:
It's funny that "they" should use the word tolerable (though something tells me these are your words, not the developers). That's kind of silly: why would it be intolerable? Was Red Alert 2 'intolerable' because the soviet nation attacked the united states? (well, at least Red alert had camp going for it).
I never said that it would be tolerable playing as North Korea, that would be stupid. Playing as the "underdog" which has been stomping all over the rest of the world for 70 years now and continues to label itself the leader of the free world just seems a tad stupid to non-Americans.
Ross Perot said:
On topic: i'm sure the story will be silly, stupid, and ridiculous, much like Red Dawn before it. Still, Red Dawn was an enjoyable movie, and the "what if" scenario adds a bit of cheeky fun to the pew pew of shooting. I doubt it's going to be a groundbreaking story of hardship and struggle against impossible odds, but that never stopped me from enjoying things before.
Yes, it's aboslutely preposterous that NK would invade the US (and win, for that matter), but We've all suspended our disbeliefs for more than that, haven't we?
It's not going for hilarious though, they're going for the "Zimbabwe conquers the world" scenario, hoping to be completely serious about it and blare American nationalism into everyone's faces while claiming that it is still quite accessible to the rest of the world, and on this subject matter I have a dissenting opinion which I am voicing.
I'm not saying you cannot enjoy it, I am stating that I cannot enjoy it and why.
Littlee300 said:
You sure it couldn't happen in 10,000 years? America went from a small colony to a nation in about 200 years (with help from the French, admittedly), Germany got power pretty quick early last century, I don't see why it couldn't happen it 100 years, especially with the way things are going.
Yes. =D
North Korea posesses few natural resources, they do not have the capacity to feed their own population, their political and economic system is stagnating and yet still fiercely resistant to change, they do not have the capital, knowledge, technology, resources or foreign backing required to advance and even if they did they have insufficient manpower and allies to do anything consequential.
Littlee300 said:
Also, may I ask why you have such unadultered hate toward America? Is it toward its people, its policies, or its leaders? Because hating its people is just plain fucking stupid, there are millions of great people here. Hating its policies? Well, plenty of countries have stupid and lousy policies that others don't like. Including yours. Leaders? Yeah, Obama sucks, and Bushwhack before him sucked. It isn't any reason to declare hate toward the whole country.
I never went into detail as to why I dislike America and I would have to make this post very long if I were to dissect my antipathy towards American culture and impact. It can all be boiled down to differing viewpoints though.
Littlee300 said:
As for why not in South Korea? Simply put, because it's in America and they expect more Americans to buy it. It would have more impact in America, sure. That doesn't mean that a foreigner couldn't put himself in American shoes and feel empathy for the fictional characters. Is this really hard for you to do? Millions of people have put themselves in the shoes of Master Chief in Halo, in Soap's shoes in CoD4, in Gordon Freeman's shoes in Half-Life, in the shoes of many fantasy characters in World of Warcraft, in the shoes of great commanders in all those RTS games. Why on earth can't a foreigner put themselves in the shoes of a poor American in the middle of an invasion? Even if said invasion is highly unlikely, it's fiction. You've just got to have a suspension of disbelief, you do it for every other game and movie.
As mentioned before, my suspension of disbelief collapses due to the plot. They try to mention the factors that lead to North Korean rise and they don't stand up. If they somehow tamed that gigantic robot octopus from Crysis and the US did not have any way of opposing it, then I could see it happend, but they rely solely on themselves to do it, and that is not possible.
I realize they butcher the story to make it more of a commercial success, but whether or not the game is a commercial success I can still call it out on the story being dross.
And no, I cannot relate to Americans in that situation because the situation itself is less plausible than Micronesia conquering the oceans and then the world. Imagine if someone asked you to take their game about 3 industrious chinamen taking over the world through brute force and you playing as a New Zealand resistance fighter, and the plot forgets to mention why the 3 musclemen were impervious to bullets.
Unless it's going for deliberate camp is just doesn't hold up.
believer258 said:
Sorry but 2 hours of getting the shit bombed out of me by artillery does not seem like fun...
They've already announced that it is a 5 hour campaign, and I am curious as to why you feel that a two hour cutscene with being shelled is what would come of it had they chosen to go for the plausible option.
