A way to beat ACTA, possibly?

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MegatonDesign

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As many of you are aware, ACTA is a draconian, backwards, and ham fisted attempt to remove the threat of piracy. However, would something like the trade descriptions act possibly save us from the impending death of the internet (irony)? I shall elaborate.

The trade descriptions act basically states that a product must do what it is advertised to do. ISP's are providing a product - the internet. If this treaty damages the product, then surely it damages the description act?

I know someone is going to say that ACTA is above the trade descriptions act, seeing as how it breaks even the laws of human rights, so i feel we must look to existing legislation that prevents the mockery that is ACTA.

Please feel free to destroy my suggestion, replace it with yours and discuss.
 

Hungry Donner

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You couldn't accuse ISPs of false advertising if they comply with ACTA. ACTA would be the law and ISPs would be expected to comply.

And has horrible as ACTA is I'm confused by your allegation that it breaks "laws of human rights." I've read about some nasty things it does but so far I haven't seen anything that I'd consider a human rights violation.
 

MegatonDesign

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Hungry Donner said:
You couldn't accuse ISPs of false advertising if they comply with ACTA. ACTA would be the law and ISPs would be expected to comply.

And has horrible as ACTA is I'm confused by your allegation that it breaks "laws of human rights." I've read about some nasty things it does but so far I haven't seen anything that I'd consider a human rights violation.
You heard that they don't need proof to shut down your internet, just accusations? And that they can seize your hard drive without a warrant?
 
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MegatonDesign said:
Hungry Donner said:
You couldn't accuse ISPs of false advertising if they comply with ACTA. ACTA would be the law and ISPs would be expected to comply.

And has horrible as ACTA is I'm confused by your allegation that it breaks "laws of human rights." I've read about some nasty things it does but so far I haven't seen anything that I'd consider a human rights violation.
You heard that they don't need proof to shut down your internet, just accusations? And that they can seize your hard drive without a warrant?
Those are Constitutional rights not human rights. Human rights usually apply to genocide and torture.
 

MegatonDesign

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The Procrastinated End said:
MegatonDesign said:
Hungry Donner said:
You couldn't accuse ISPs of false advertising if they comply with ACTA. ACTA would be the law and ISPs would be expected to comply.

And has horrible as ACTA is I'm confused by your allegation that it breaks "laws of human rights." I've read about some nasty things it does but so far I haven't seen anything that I'd consider a human rights violation.
You heard that they don't need proof to shut down your internet, just accusations? And that they can seize your hard drive without a warrant?
Those are Constitutional rights not human rights. Human rights usually apply to genocide and torture.
I stand corrected. Definitely invasion of privacy though
 
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The Procrastinated End said:
MegatonDesign said:
Hungry Donner said:
You couldn't accuse ISPs of false advertising if they comply with ACTA. ACTA would be the law and ISPs would be expected to comply.

And has horrible as ACTA is I'm confused by your allegation that it breaks "laws of human rights." I've read about some nasty things it does but so far I haven't seen anything that I'd consider a human rights violation.
You heard that they don't need proof to shut down your internet, just accusations? And that they can seize your hard drive without a warrant?
Those are Constitutional rights not human rights. Human rights usually apply to genocide and torture.
Well Human rights do have some rights contradicting this. I am sure there is something in them about privacy and unfounded.
Here is a link about privacy in Human rights. [http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/privacy/article-8-the-right-to-respect-for-private-and-family-life-home-and-corresp.html] I am not 100% sure if this is one he is talking about or trying to refer to but without a warrant this really is a breach of privacy.

Article 12
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
That is another link to the universal declaration of Human Rights.
 

AndyFromMonday

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I'm pretty sure they can also search your hard drives with no permission. This is a complete invasion of privacy and I'm pretty sure the government does not have the right to sacrifice our right to privacy just so some fat cat can squeeze one more million dollars out of its "copyrighted" crap.

Since when the fuck Corporations had more authority than the fucking people themselves? I mean for fucks sake, they're basically nullifying our right to privacy. How could we let this happen?
 

Saith

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It's weird, 'cause when I thought it was America only, I didn't give a crap. Wiki'd it, and the EU's apparently gonna join up or something.
Seeing as one of the requirements to join the EU is the Human Rights Act, this would be illegal, what with everyone having the 'right to a private and family life' and the 'right to a fair trial'.
Plus, I'd think that the loss of the internet constitutes as a cruel and unusual punishment.
 

Fenolio

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At least you dont have this in USA yet. Us brits already have something similar due to our shitty politics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act_2010 its only going to go into effect next year but the fact it got passed into law at all is alarming.
What it means is that if your connection is used to download copyrighted material, they'll send you a letter. They will send a second letter if it happens again, but after that your internet gets turned off.

The solution to "What happens if someone hack's my wireless connection?" was, and i quote: "Use a password."

BRITAINS DIGITAL MEDIA EXPERT EVERYBODY! (We're doomed.)