About 25% of Americans Don't Know the Earth Revolves Around the Sun

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Blunderboy

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Grouchy Imp said:
Kargathia said:
Grouchy Imp said:
*Remembers survey last year which found 1 in 3 UK <16s think cheese is made from plants*
Technically... it mostly is. Let's face it: a cow's digestive system does most of the hard work here.
Blunderboy said:
Wait we can justify this.
Cheese comes from cows and goats etc, and they EAT PLANTS.
In a round about way it's right.

Like that kid who answered the question of "How do you keep milf fresh?" with "Keep it in the cow."
Ok, so cows do get their energy from plant-life, but most plant-life gets their energy from the sun, so if we go back that far cheese is made from sunlight.

Compressed, mouldy sunlight.

Mmm.
So us Brits actually do get plenty of sunlight, in the form of a glorious, strong, mature cheddar?
 

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Glademaster said:
Blunderboy said:
Grouchy Imp said:
*Prepares snarky comment ragging on American stupidity*

*Remembers survey last year which found 1 in 3 UK <16s think cheese is made from plants*

*Goes and sits quietly in corner*
Wait we can justify this.
Cheese comes from cows and goats etc, and they EAT PLANTS.
In a round about way it's right.

Like that kid who answered the question of "How do you keep milf fresh?" with "Keep it in the cow."
Somehow I don't think that is a good idea.

OT: I think a lot of people here really underestimate how little the average person cares about knowledge that doesn't affect their daily lives in a direct manner.
Oh my. Of all the typos.
 

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MinionJoe said:
Sounds like the survey was expecting the common, simplified answers. Because the earth orbits the sun only from the sun's frame of reference.

Also, the specifics of the Big Bang (which is a misnomer) is continuously revised. Last theory I recall stated that the Big Bang's energy was released everywhere simultaneously, an event which lacks many of the usual traits of an explosion.

Then again, I doubt that 25-39% of Americans are theoretical physicists.
It's just like the 1kg of lead vs 1 kg of feathers thing. Yes, technically the lead weights more (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes%27_principle), so what's the right answer?
 

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Arnoxthe1 said:
Don't even get me started on that "Big Bang" crap. It's just a theory that hasn't been fully developed at ALL yet. But hey, let's all force undeveloped theories down each others throats. Same thing with Evolution. Some atheists blame us for having a narrow-minded viewpoint but then they turn around and do the exact same thing.

Heck, maybe that 1 in 4 might have just answered that to screw with the poll as well. It was a stupid question and perhaps it deserved a stupid answer. Also, I wonder how many just rushed through it to get the poll done, not even looking at the answers.
Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. It's not as narrow as you might think. There's far more evidence that the universe is 13.8 billion years old than that it might be a mere 6000. People are so willing to accept the simplest answer that they simply cannot comprehend they might be wrong. Sometimes the more complex answer is the right one, that the universe started from a singular point and then expanded in every direction, across multiple dimensions. Sorry if I find this far more likely than an old man in a cloud flipping a light switch. Remember, we have photographic evidence that the Earth does indeed revolve around the Sun, that other astral bodies follow a similar pattern, and that the Earth is in fact round and not flat. Tell me, do you float up into the sky when you get out of bed? Because gravity is just a theory too but somehow my feet remain firmly planted on the floor.

CAPTCHA: need a pina colada? Yes, yes I do.
 

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wow, that first question would exclude out both those who are wrong and those who are exact/pedantic.
The Big Bang was not an explosion.

Evolution IS a fact that has been observed for centuries.
Natural selection is the theory of evolution.
Theory is an English word meaning explanation.
In common use the word theory has become synonymous with guess.
 

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HanFyren said:
wow, that first question would exclude out both those who are wrong and those who are exact/pedantic.
The Big Bang was not an explosion.

Evolution IS a fact that has been observed for centuries.
Natural selection is the theory of evolution.
Theory is an English word meaning explanation.
In common use the word theory has become synonymous with guess.
Just to clarify there, the theory of evolution involves a whole lot more mechanisms than natural selection (neutral drift, genetic draft, etc.). The fact that "evolution=natural selection" has permeated into culture, and that in some situations evolution is not driven by natural selection, is reason enough to understand why some people, when shown than natural selection is not at work jump back to say that therefore evolution is wrong. We need to be careful with that because you never know who is reading and how you might affect them.
 

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Would it be possible to see the rest of the questions? Cause something tells me that its not so much ignorance as it is answering questions based on beliefs (like the evolutionj and Big Bang questions.)
 
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Blunderboy said:
Grouchy Imp said:
Kargathia said:
Grouchy Imp said:
*Remembers survey last year which found 1 in 3 UK <16s think cheese is made from plants*
Technically... it mostly is. Let's face it: a cow's digestive system does most of the hard work here.
Blunderboy said:
Wait we can justify this.
Cheese comes from cows and goats etc, and they EAT PLANTS.
In a round about way it's right.

Like that kid who answered the question of "How do you keep milf fresh?" with "Keep it in the cow."
Ok, so cows do get their energy from plant-life, but most plant-life gets their energy from the sun, so if we go back that far cheese is made from sunlight.

Compressed, mouldy sunlight.

Mmm.
So us Brits actually do get plenty of sunlight, in the form of a glorious, strong, mature cheddar?
Exactly. Whilst our summer may only last a few weeks, the discerning Englishman may be provisioned with an excellent cheese board all year round.
 

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VanQ said:
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Americuh, Fuck Yeah!
Sorry if this sounds like a sterotype, but was this sample from Texas?

I honestly don't want to know how Australia fares, ignorance is bliss. Ironically.
Cue all the people going on about "theories" and "unconfirmed", blahty, blah.
Nothing infuriates me more than when people say something like "Well, evolution is just a theory!", completely oblivious to the meaning of the word theory in a scientific context. That the word theory means something that can be observed and reproduced, such as evolution.

Australia is considered one of the smarter nations, but I'm almost certain that it's just a few very bright people carrying the weight of a very dumb overall populace. Most people don't care to educate themselves on matters more difficult than the location of the nearest pub.
micro evolution can be observed and reproduced, not macro evolution. right now no one definitively knows anything about our origins, and for a true way to test it out, would take thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of years of observation. so right now arguing the validity of one theory or another is pointless. who know maybe we were simply created as stated in one of the many other religions. and being an atheist is a religion, just atheists practice science and what not, and believe that we are our own god so to speak.
 

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Elfgore said:
The belief based questions, like the evolution and start of the universe, is not fair to ask. They answered wrong because they believe differently. That's just a low-blow.

Now the earth rotating question is inexcusable.
Plus, the antibiotics question is a bit bait-and-switch too. It's not surprising that people know that bacteria/fungus/viruses/etc cause disease, but they don't care about the difference or how to treat each one. That's what doctors are for.

The orbit one is baffling, no doubt. Any word on how it was worded?
 

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Keiichi Morisato said:
VanQ said:
MrHide-Patten said:
Americuh, Fuck Yeah!
Sorry if this sounds like a sterotype, but was this sample from Texas?

I honestly don't want to know how Australia fares, ignorance is bliss. Ironically.
Cue all the people going on about "theories" and "unconfirmed", blahty, blah.
Nothing infuriates me more than when people say something like "Well, evolution is just a theory!", completely oblivious to the meaning of the word theory in a scientific context. That the word theory means something that can be observed and reproduced, such as evolution.

Australia is considered one of the smarter nations, but I'm almost certain that it's just a few very bright people carrying the weight of a very dumb overall populace. Most people don't care to educate themselves on matters more difficult than the location of the nearest pub.
micro evolution can be observed and reproduced, not macro evolution. right now no one definitively knows anything about our origins, and for a true way to test it out, would take thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of years of observation. so right now arguing the validity of one theory or another is pointless.
Not quite true. Macroevolution is why we have the bananas we have today, the dogs breeds we have, the corn...

We've not seen anything change species without human intervention though, correct.
 

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iseko said:
I believe in evolution but the evidence is not overwhelming if you break the rules.
1) Accept for a fact: god exists
2) some biological mechanisms are to hard to explain with evolution (as far as I know flagella fall under this categorie. Random mutation is a bit hard to believe to explain this one for the moment). This indicates intelligent design.
3) Accept for a fact: god created fossils etc to confuse non believers.

Bam. Evolution has been disproven. Offcourse you have to accept a few facts with no scientific proof whatsoever. I believe thats what they call having faith...
just want to point a few things out

(1)it's overwhelming compared to the evidence religion gives (magic man in the sky did it)
(2)"god created fossils to fool people"? so to prove god did it you also have to prove he/she/it is a dick?
(3)faith = "jump off a cliff you can fly I swear" that's "blind faith" real honest and true faith (see trust) allows and indeed welcomes questioning.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic or start an argument (full disclosure I'm an atheist and on evolution's side if you didn't guess)
 

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lacktheknack said:
Keiichi Morisato said:
VanQ said:
MrHide-Patten said:
Americuh, Fuck Yeah!
Sorry if this sounds like a sterotype, but was this sample from Texas?

I honestly don't want to know how Australia fares, ignorance is bliss. Ironically.
Cue all the people going on about "theories" and "unconfirmed", blahty, blah.
Nothing infuriates me more than when people say something like "Well, evolution is just a theory!", completely oblivious to the meaning of the word theory in a scientific context. That the word theory means something that can be observed and reproduced, such as evolution.

Australia is considered one of the smarter nations, but I'm almost certain that it's just a few very bright people carrying the weight of a very dumb overall populace. Most people don't care to educate themselves on matters more difficult than the location of the nearest pub.
micro evolution can be observed and reproduced, not macro evolution. right now no one definitively knows anything about our origins, and for a true way to test it out, would take thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of years of observation. so right now arguing the validity of one theory or another is pointless.
Not quite true. Macroevolution is why we have the bananas we have today, the dogs breeds we have, the corn...

We've not seen anything change species without human intervention though, correct.
the examples you gave are micro evolution, macro evolution is a complete change, like from monkey's to human, from fish to whatever.
 

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Gotta love the religion hate in this topic. Here, let's throw some more statistics into the mix:

76% of Americans identify themselves as "Christian". Whether they are "saved" by Christian standards is another matter entirely, but roughly 3/4 of Americans are devoted enough to the faith that they choose to be identified as such.

4% of Americans identify as other religions, the majority of which being Judaism and Islam. For the record, Christianity and Islam both stem from Judaism, meaning that all 3 religions believe the same or similar things about creation and the development of man, i.e. God spoke and it was done, and God sculpted us out of dust in his image specifically, respectively.

Only 15% of Americans identify as Atheist/Agnostic, with the remaining 5% refusing to identify either because they hate polling or they don't know where they stand.

If this sample size accurately represented America, and wasn't a sample out of some heavily Atheist populated areas, then that means that roughly 40% of people who identify themselves as beholden to creationist beliefs gladly answered "yes, evolution is fact" AND around 60% said "Yeah, the Big Bang is what started the universe".

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States
http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

On top of this, you have people like me, who believe that Creator-Guided Evolution is a very valid possibility. While I am open to evolution and in a general scientific setting will accept it as fact, had I received this poll, I likely would have marked that I don't believe in evolution as stated. The question seems to be somewhat predatory, and in a casual setting like most of these polls I would have said the easiest thing to say (in this case no).

So please, people, stop with the religion hate. Religion may be shaping the results of this poll, but the reasons are somewhat valid, and it's not as much of an influencer as you think. The fact that over half of Americans unquestionably accept evolution is a HUGE shift to science from religion in just the past decade.

EDIT: Another thing I just thought of. Note how many people screwed up the Earth's Orbit question. This is undeniable fact, Religion hasn't influenced that answer in the last 300+ years. Take into account the number of people who answered that question wrong (and are therefore COMPLETE imbeciles), then add that number in with the statistics above, and Religion plays even less and less of a picture than sheer stupidity does.
 

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BigTuk said:
like why testicles are where they are as opposed to you know buried deep and encased in bone...and the curious fact that just about everything with sharp teeth has it's head about crotch level with the average human male.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the second one was a joke, but the first one likely was not.
For someone who so quickly and snarkily comments on someone's inability to understand basic science questions, it surprises me you didn't know this one.
Basic body temperatures are high enough to kill sperm outright, thus their production and storage system is just slightly outside the body, allowing the sperm to survive.
If your balls weren't outside your body, YOU WOULD BE STERILE.

OT: It doesn't surprise me that people can be stupid. Not just in America, but everywhere.
Try asking other countries with a religious bias questions that could be influenced by opinion and you'll see stupidity is a commodity not only produced by the USA.
 

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CriticKitten said:
I'm reminded of an obvious, yet frightening statement my dad (an RN) once made to me while I was working my first job (fast food):

"The average IQ is around 100, which means that roughly half of the world's population is below average. Now consider the sort of people you engage with on a daily basis. With a few obvious exceptions, those are just the average ones."

So I guess I can't say these results surprise me. America seems not only to enjoy being ignorant, but is downright proud of its own ignorance at times, which is infuriating to deal with on a daily basis.
One thing kinda annoys me about that saying. If half of the people are dumber than the average, than the other half are smarter than the average. Averages are what you get when you add up everyone and divide by the number of people. If half of the population had an IQ of 100 and the others below, the average wouldn't be 100 IQ, it'd be lower than that. So truth be told, there can be only a few average people in the world and everyone else is above or below average.
 

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BigTuk said:
Though these figures suddenly explain, Justin Bieber, Sarah Palin and how GeeDubya got two terms in office.
I fail to see how poor knowledge of science leads to having bad taste in music. But I'd love to hear your theory!

Grouchy Imp said:
Ok, so cows do get their energy from plant-life, but most plant-life gets their energy from the sun, so if we go back that far cheese is made from sunlight.

Compressed, mouldy sunlight.

Mmm.
Indeed. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=croHtCzzDhQ]
 

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CriticKitten said:
I'm reminded of an obvious, yet frightening statement my dad (an RN) once made to me while I was working my first job (fast food):

"The average IQ is around 100, which means that roughly half of the world's population is below average. Now consider the sort of people you engage with on a daily basis. With a few obvious exceptions, those are just the average ones."

So I guess I can't say these results surprise me. America seems not only to enjoy being ignorant, but is downright proud of its own ignorance at times, which is infuriating to deal with on a daily basis.
And I'm sure you consider yourself to be in the top 50%, just like everyone else.

Just like how I'm sure you consider everyone else to be ignorant of how things really work, and that you have all the answers, just like everyone else.
 

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Oh, hell! What does that matter?! So we go around the sun! If we went around the moon or round and round the garden like a teddy bear, it wouldn't make any difference! All that matters to me is the work! Without that, my brain rots. Put that in your blog - or better still, stop inflicting your opinions on the world!