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EmperorSubcutaneous said:
XI has actually consistently been one of highest rated games in the MMO genre. It has aged poorly since WoW made the genre so much more casual-friendly, but it's excellent for an EQ-era MMO.
It was ok but god how the developers expected anyone to figure out how to actually do anything without hacking the game files to see what's programmed into it is totally beyond me.
 

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pg.shadowrunner said:
I think every game in the series is good. I enjoyed XII, X was fun, and XIII was X with different combat and pretty graphics.
Really, if you don't like the changes to gameplay, thats fine. But if you can take that, I find that the stories arent really and better or worse than their earlier installments.
I like the changes to gameplay. Even the linearity (though, truth be told, there could be a bit more chatting with the lesser characters). I love the combat system. The story itself is good too, I dare say it's one of the better ones in the entire series. It's just the dialogues and acting that get under my skin. FFXII was miles and miles above FFXIII in this departament. And had more sidequests from the beginning.
pg.shadowrunner said:
More people liked XIII than you'd think. The vast majority of people who played it and STUCK with it liked it.
Yeah, I liked FFXIII overall. I even did a bit of endgame, I have the growth egg and I 5-starred half of the marks with pleasure. I just didn't enjoy the cutscenes at all, thanks to what I outlined above. And, considering the game is literally made of them, this made it one of the weakest in the series for me.
 

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Gizmo1990 said:
Final Fantasy 13. Words cannot describe how much I hate this game. The characters are crap, the story is crap, the combat is crap
Hey, OP just described Final Fantasy 2. Say what you want about Final Fantasy 13, at least it had polish.

Ulvai said:
There weren't good any JRPGs, EVER.

Take this, I heard it can get pretty cold under bridges.
 

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I honestly didn't think all of the new FFs were "terrible". Sure they're a bit different from the classic ones, but Square remakes the classic ones enough that if you want more typical JRPG fare, it's available.

XII had a drastically different combat system, but I enjoyed gambits and all that jazz. I just think it is a pity that they made Vaan the main focus (Apparently Basch was supposed to be the main character, but midway through they decided he didn't appeal enough to their demographic).
XIII I didn't particularly like, but it had incredible production values, and the battle system wasn't flawed, I just didn't care for it. It was a little too linear in both exploration and character customization for me.

My personal order is probably something like: V, VIII, VI, IV, VII, IX, X, XII, III, and the rest vaguely tied for last.
 

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Sapient Pearwood said:
EmperorSubcutaneous said:
XI has actually consistently been one of highest rated games in the MMO genre. It has aged poorly since WoW made the genre so much more casual-friendly, but it's excellent for an EQ-era MMO.
It was ok but god how the developers expected anyone to figure out how to actually do anything without hacking the game files to see what's programmed into it is totally beyond me.
I think they just had higher hopes for the community working to figure everything out together. They really wanted everyone to cooperate, but it's hard to force that kind of thing. (Though they did try their damnedest to force it.)
 

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I always liked 12 despite the slightly annoying characters, the battle system was great as was how you leveled and developed your characters. 3 and 4 were my other favorites and I found 7 to be average, not bad, just average. 13 was pretty bad, and one of my friends insists it isn't and we just constantly argue. I usually give up at "The cutscenes are too bloody long and the combat's boring"
"I liked the combat and the cutscenes looked great"
You just can't win :/
 

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pg.shadowrunner said:
AbstractStream said:
halbarad said:
Honestly though, while FFXIII is a bit iffy in any respect it was still a decent enough game if you let yourself get sucked in. It's changes weren't welcomed and I understand that and I think too many changes were made between the normal FF type of game to this one. I will fully admit that to me, Hope is the worst character in Final Fantasy History though. There was absolutely nothing likable about that kid and I wanted him to die every single second of the game.
I did like Vanille though where most don't and also liked Sazh. The parts with the two of them together were the best parts of the game.
Completely agree with your post. You took everything that I was gonna say.

pg.shadowrunner said:
More people liked XIII than you'd think. The vast majority of people who played it and STUCK with it liked it.
I stuck with it. Even the grueling grinding at the end.
OH God, the endgame was ridiculous. Easy final boss, though.
Haha yeah, I spent hours in the Steppe just grinding. But it was worth it. And honestly, even though I like the game, I think I haven't replayed it just because of the endgame ><
 

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Since FFX? Dude, that game was horrendous in most of the areas that matter. Let's face it, XIII is at least better than X in both writing and gameplay, and that's probably true for XII as well.

However, it is true that the 3 best games in the series are VII, VIII, and IX.

The problem is that the series, and the company, have always been heavilly experimental, so when they take a big risk, (which is with every game in the series) it either suceeds spectacularly (VIII), or fails even more spectacularly (X)
 

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Judgement101 said:
Ulvai said:
There weren't good any JRPGs, EVER.
Ummm Persona 4?
Shin Megami Tensei main series
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona sub-series
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga sub-series
About half of all Final Fantas games currently released.
Suikoden series (Give or take Suikoden IV)
About half of the Tales of series.
Resonance of Fate


These games at least have not onyl good gameplay, but lasting artistic merit.
 

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Judgement101 said:
Ulvai said:
There weren't good any JRPGs, EVER.
Ummm Persona 4?
It's as standard as this crap goes, and, CHRIST, in a genre already full of cliches... Thats not even trying! I guess it is ok for anime fans. Since anime is 3.5 stories + new hairdo from time to time. Oh, wait. JRPGs are also like that! Guess you have to be Japanese or a retard... Oh, wait, Otaku, is it? To get into this.
 

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cefm said:
8 was an abomination. Total betrayal of the series and the fundamental tenents of RPG's. Scaling enemy levels up to match yours is a bullshit idea.
Thats why you don't level grind. Levels were a mistake in that game to begin with. You increase your stats by drawing magic, not level grinding, and the scaling made up for the fact of the vast amount of enemies you would ineviitably kill whilst drawing magic and building GF learned abilities. In other words, it prevented the game from being broken in the players favor, which it easilly could've been, and wasn't. It was a fantastic idea.
 

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Ulvai said:
Judgement101 said:
Ulvai said:
There weren't good any JRPGs, EVER.
Ummm Persona 4?
It's as standard as this crap goes, and, CHRIST, in a genre already full of cliches... Thats not even trying! I guess it is ok for anime fans. Since anime is 3.5 stories + new hairdo from time to time. Oh, wait. JRPGs are also like that! Guess you have to be Japanese or a retard... Oh, wait, Otaku, is it? To get into this.
You do realize you're breaking forum rules by calling someone a retard, obviously?
Also, you nothing about either anime or JRPGs if your current display of intelligence is anything to go by.
 

Judgement101

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Ulvai said:
Judgement101 said:
Ulvai said:
There weren't good any JRPGs, EVER.
Ummm Persona 4?
It's as standard as this crap goes, and, CHRIST, in a genre already full of cliches... Thats not even trying! I guess it is ok for anime fans. Since anime is 3.5 stories + new hairdo from time to time. Oh, wait. JRPGs are also like that! Guess you have to be Japanese or a retard... Oh, wait, Otaku, is it? To get into this.
You've never played a Persona game have you? It is nothing like Final Fantasy's crap.
 

Ulvai

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Austin Howe said:
Ulvai said:
Judgement101 said:
Ulvai said:
There weren't good any JRPGs, EVER.
Ummm Persona 4?
It's as standard as this crap goes, and, CHRIST, in a genre already full of cliches... Thats not even trying! I guess it is ok for anime fans. Since anime is 3.5 stories + new hairdo from time to time. Oh, wait. JRPGs are also like that! Guess you have to be Japanese or a retard... Oh, wait, Otaku, is it? To get into this.
You do realize you're breaking forum rules by calling someone a retard, obviously?
Also, you nothing about either anime or JRPGs if your current display of intelligence is anything to go by.
I also nothing on many elephants. Also I nothing on calling anyone retard. I everything on correcting myself.
 

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I read XIII described as "fight tubes between cutscenes". I thought, how bad could it be? I liked Last Remnant. I bought it. I actually fell asleep playing it. SERIOUSLY. I got drowsy.

On the other hand, I LOVED 12. I really liked the gambit system (auto-casting buffs was great), and not having to transition between exploration and combat. I realize it didn't feel FinalFantasy-like, and I think that's why many people didn't like it. Square should have released the who Ivalice world as a separate franchise.
 

Austin Howe

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Ulvai said:
Austin Howe said:
Ulvai said:
Judgement101 said:
Ulvai said:
There weren't good any JRPGs, EVER.
Ummm Persona 4?
It's as standard as this crap goes, and, CHRIST, in a genre already full of cliches... Thats not even trying! I guess it is ok for anime fans. Since anime is 3.5 stories + new hairdo from time to time. Oh, wait. JRPGs are also like that! Guess you have to be Japanese or a retard... Oh, wait, Otaku, is it? To get into this.
You do realize you're breaking forum rules by calling someone a retard, obviously?
Also, you nothing about either anime or JRPGs if your current display of intelligence is anything to go by.
I also nothing on many elephants. Also I nothing on calling anyone retard. I everything on correcting myself.
Fine, how about "You're an ignorant person who's doing nothing to help or contribute to this thread?" Seriously, GTFO, no one respects your opinion here.
 

Ulvai

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Austin Howe said:
Ulvai said:
Austin Howe said:
Ulvai said:
Judgement101 said:
Ulvai said:
There weren't good any JRPGs, EVER.
Ummm Persona 4?
It's as standard as this crap goes, and, CHRIST, in a genre already full of cliches... Thats not even trying! I guess it is ok for anime fans. Since anime is 3.5 stories + new hairdo from time to time. Oh, wait. JRPGs are also like that! Guess you have to be Japanese or a retard... Oh, wait, Otaku, is it? To get into this.
You do realize you're breaking forum rules by calling someone a retard, obviously?
Also, you nothing about either anime or JRPGs if your current display of intelligence is anything to go by.
I also nothing on many elephants. Also I nothing on calling anyone retard. I everything on correcting myself.
Fine, how about "You're an ignorant person who's doing nothing to help or contribute to this thread?" Seriously, GTFO, no one respects your opinion here.
Neither do I respect yours. Now that's internet for ya. And just to clarify, this is opinion thread, isn't it? Is your definition of contribution goes "to agree with what I am saying"?
 

Hive Mind

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JRPG is a misnomer for the most part; Japanese action adventure games/interactive movies are not role playing games.

One has to look far, far back into the Final Fantasy series to find an actual RPG.