About the Nintendo Playstation.

[CastletonSnob]

As we all know, Nintendo and Sony were working on a SNES add-on, but Nintendo made a deal with Phillips, and that led to the PlayStation.

I hear about how Nintendo betrayed Sony, but why is Nintendo in the wrong? Sony was going to get all the profits for the games. It's not like Sony was completely innocent. I'm tired of people making the birth of the Playstation seem like the big bully Nintendo screwed over the helpless victim Sony, when Sony was the bigger company at the time.

 

[BrawlMan]

When I last checked, the profits were going to be split. Even if the profits were going all to Sony, it does not change the fact, nor excuse how Nintendo handled the cancellation. It was during an E3 Conference of 1993, where Sony announced the add-on, only for Nintendo go up on stage and cancel it during said conference, only a few minutes later. Sony was basically humiliated on stage, and you can understand why they said, "Fuck, it! And start my own!". Defintely worked in the long run. Sony aren't absoulute victims, and have done shady actions as well and afterward, but Nintendo ain't saints either. Neither are any of these companies.

The only good thing out of this now, is that Nintendo and Sony buried the hatchet. Neither wants the other to leave the industry; Sony especially. So count those blessings.

 

[CastletonSnob]

When I last checked, the profits were going to be split. Even if the profits were going all to Sony, it does not change the fact, nor excuse how Nintendo handled the cancellation. It was during an E3 Conference of 1993, where Sony announced the add-on, only for Nintendo go up on stage and cancel it during said conference, only a few minutes later. Sony was basically humiliated on stage, and you can understand why they said, "Fuck, it! And start my own!". Defintely worked in the long run. Sony aren't absoulute victims, and have done shady actions as well and afterward, Nintendo ain't saints either. Neither are any of these companies.

The only good thing out of this now, is that Nintendo and Sony buried the hatchet. Neither wants the other to leave the indutry; Sony especially. So count those blessings.

I mean, companies screw each other over and do shady practices all the time. It's just part of business.

 

[BrawlMan]

I mean, companies screw each other over and do shady practices all the time. It's just part of business.

And yet, had Nintendo not screwed over Sony we would not be having this conversation.

 

[CastletonSnob]

And yet, had Nintendo not screwed over Sony we would not be having this conversation.

Sony tried to screw Nintendo first.

 

[BrawlMan]

Sony tried to screw Nintendo first.

Not from what I heard, so this is new to me. Either way, they both acted like petty jack asses. Not to mention, Nintendo had their moments of screwing 3rd party developers over, or making guidelines super strict on their console platforms at the time. Not crying for either one in this case.

 

[CastletonSnob]

Not from what I heard, so this is new to me. Either way, they both acted like petty jack asses. Not to mention, Nintendo had their moments of screwing 3rd party developers over, or making guidelines super strict on their console platforms at the time. Not crying for either one in this case.

Nintendo bullied 3rd parties back in the NES/SNES era.

 

[BrawlMan]

Nintendo bullied 3rd parties back in the NES/SNES era.

Exactly, so they can't play innocent. By the 5th generation of consoles, a majority of 3rd party companies were tired of Nintendo's shit and had no problems going over to Sony, because of the latter's lax guidelines.

 

[CastletonSnob]

When someone says that they wish the Nintendo Playstation had been finished, they're basically saying that Nintendo should have gone with the terrible contract Sony gave them.

 

[Drathnoxis]

When someone says that they wish the Nintendo Playstation had been finished, they're basically saying that Nintendo should have gone with the terrible contract Sony gave them.

Who even says this? That's ancient history at this point, and why should I care about what kind of deal Nintendo got from Sony 20 years ago? Nintendo doesn't care about the kind of deal they give me with their overpriced games that never drop below $50.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

When someone says that they wish the Nintendo Playstation had been finished, they're basically saying that Nintendo should have gone with the terrible contract Sony gave them.

If it was so terrible then why did Nintendo even sign it? Didn’t they bother to read it first? Surely, at least I’d think a company as frugal as themselves wouldn’t overlook something like “this deal sucks for us.”

As described by David Sheff in his book Game Over, “[The Philips deal] was meant to do two things at once: give Nintendo back its stranglehold on software and gracefully fuck Sony.”

How noble of them, those victims called Nintendo!

 

[BrawlMan]

If it was so terrible then why did Nintendo even sign it? Didn’t they bother to read it first? Surely, at least I’d think a company as frugal as themselves wouldn’t overlook something like “this deal sucks for us.”

As described by David Sheff in his book Game Over, “[The Philips deal] was meant to do two things at once: give Nintendo back its stranglehold on software and gracefully fuck Sony.”

How noble of them, those victims called Nintendo!

Further proof that CastleSnob's argument is full of crap and lack of research.

 

[BrawlMan]

Nintendo doesn't care about the kind of deal they give me with their overpriced games that never drop below $50.

Used video games for the win, baby! That is how you beat the system! It's what I do. Nearly every first party switch game I bought, which are not that many, have been used games.

 

[CastletonSnob]

If it was so terrible then why did Nintendo even sign it? Didn’t they bother to read it first? Surely, at least I’d think a company as frugal as themselves wouldn’t overlook something like “this deal sucks for us.”

As described by David Sheff in his book Game Over, “[The Philips deal] was meant to do two things at once: give Nintendo back its stranglehold on software and gracefully fuck Sony.”

How noble of them, those victims called Nintendo!

Maybe Nintendo didn't realize how bad the deal was until later?

 

[BrawlMan]

Maybe Nintendo didn't realize how bad the deal was until later?

Don't even try defending them for making their own foolish mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing. They made the same mistake in trying to fuck developers and consumers over, only for it to bite them in the dick. The hilarious irony that they end up fucking themselves over.

 

[CastletonSnob]

Further proof that CastleSnob's argument is full of crap and lack of research.

I've seen plenty of YouTube videos talking about how Sony would have gotten most of the money, so I've done plenty of research.

 

[BrawlMan]

I've seen plenty of YouTube videos talking about how Sony would have gotten most of the money, so I've done plenty of research.

So? You are going need more than YouTube videos just from some random people. Most of which is just he says, she says bullcrap. The last time I saw any info about this debate was around 2012 and 2013. After that, there's really not much else that needs to be said that hasn't already be said or seen at this point. They're both screw-ups, but Nintendo is the bigger screw up and mostly the one at fault as far as everyone else is concerned. Quit trying to be right all the time. Nintendo screwed up and got themselves screwed over, end of story. Moving on the better things. Plus, I trust The source from the Game Over book then some random yahoos on YouTube.

 

[Piscian]

Why not both?

 

[Chimpzy]

Nintendo was rather known for having a stranglehold on licensing at the time. They still do actually. Ever wonder why all of Nintendo's systems use some proprietary physical media format? Why the N64 still used cartridges, the Gamecube those little discs, and the Wii and Wii U something that looks like a DVD/Bluray but isn't? That's why. So they don't have to share the revenue from software licensing with anyone else. Well, there were other considerations probably, but you can bet your ass the one that involved the money is the big one.

The point is that the Nintendo/Sony deal was probably not a good one for Nintendo, but I'd rate it very likely that any deal where Nintendo did not have the sole rights to software licensing would've fallen through. Cuz Nintendo don't share its pie, it always wants the whole pie.

 

[CastletonSnob]

So? You are going need more than YouTube videos just from some random people. Most wishes just a he says, she says bullcrap. The last time I saw any info about this debate was around 2012 and 2013. After that, there's really not much else that needs to be said that hasn't already be said or seen at this point. They're both screw-ups, but I just need to know the bigger screw up and mostly the one at all as far as everyone else is concerned. Quit trying to be right all the time. Nintendo screwed up and got themselves screwed over, end of story. Moving on the better things. Plus, I trust The source from the Game Over book then some random yahoos on YouTube.

How am I trying to be right all the time?