Accepting Responsibility

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Koroviev

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I'm sure you've heard about it. According to many enlightened people, it is a devil of sorts, luring good children away from their honest toil. Many of these same experts claim that children have no power to resist, that if only the demon were exorcised, the children would obediently finish their pre-calculus homework to qualify for a university specializing in the humanities.

The so-called devil I am referring to is technology: Facebook, Youtube, texting, and video games. They have replaced television as the bane of parents and teachers, and moreover, have become the scapegoat of the new age. Why accept responsibility for failing your classes when you could blame the faceless behemoth that is the Internet? What these kids don't seem to realize is that in shifting the blame from themselves to their hobbies, they are increasing the likelihood that said activities will increasingly be banned or otherwise prohibited.

Cellphones are a perfect example of this. At the high school I attended, cell phones were outright banned, even during break periods. Such zero-tolerance policies are reflective of misplaced blame and fear. Johnny would have completed his essay if it were not for his cellphone. Susie would have earned a higher grade point average if it were not for Facebook. And of course, neither Johnny nor Susie can be blamed for their lack of adequacy; it's not as though they possess free will.

If one is to believe the accusations set forth by many a parent and teacher, then it can only be deduced that technology is no less addicting than smack. One hit, one Youtube video, and your kid will be addicted for life. You see, like drugs, technology rewires the brain. Yes, once a child has been exposed to multi-tasking, never can they acquire the skill to focus. A perfect analogy for this is a morality meter. As technology tempts children toward evil, they inevitably become less good. Moreover, it is impossible to balance the two skills; it's either God or Satan, and the child is helpless to choose.

Of course, one does not have to believe the frantic cries that the sky is falling and that the innocent children will side with Satan during Armageddon. The alternative conclusion is obviously that kids are responsible, at least in part. But why not totally responsible, at least in certain instances? Rather than blaming technology, I'd take a long hard look at the schoolwork.

Algebra II is absolutely essential, you will apply it everyday for the rest of your life! Or so says the Algebra II teacher. Let us be honest with ourselves: certain classes are not necessary. An art major will not need higher math. A science major will not need art. What is necessary? I'd say a certain level of math, maybe algebra, English, and a little history and science. Of course kids should be exposed to the whole spectrum, but by high school, and especially college, shouldn't they be allowed to specialize? Wouldn't it be a better use of resources if kids were placed in classes in which they would actually have the will to apply themselves?

That last paragraph is just a bit of speculation on my part. The main point remains: taking responsibility for one's actions is an important lesson, and adults and kids alike are skipping out on it. Moreover, if we are to blame something other than the people themselves (and mostly, we shouldn't), then why must the harbinger of doom be technology? Why not the emphasis on being well-rounded, forcing kids to take classes in which they've never displayed any interest? Why not the lack of emphasis on obligations? At the end of the day, people need to sit down, focus, and engage in a bit of divergent thinking; there might just be another possibility.

tl;dr: The kids are all right, but I don't appreciate them blaming technology for their incompetence, nor do I approve of their parents condoning this gross irresponsibility.

Here [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/technology/21brain.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp] is the inspiration for the above rambling.
 

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Huh.

Well, whatever.

I think kids aren't getting the proper life lessons they should be taught as a child. Which is a direct result of bad parenting and bad schooling.

Technology has very little to do with it. Every generation has their own evil that causes the kids to go crazy (supposedly.) This is no different.

What our kids do lack is responsibility, determination, integrity, respect. This generation has fallen into this horrible fashion of thinking they are "entitled" to stuff, rather than having to earn it. Sadly, it's just getting easier and easier to justify the "entitlement" stuff because so many people lack backbones now days, and know how to stand up and take responsibility.

Just look at studies of social diseases and the like. It's never, "You should punish your child when he does dumb shit." It more usually is, "Awww, poor johnny seems to be suffering a bit from ADHD, let's give him a shit ton of drugs to excuse you for your bad parenting."

I believe our society has made it easier for kids to not be good citizens. And they excuse their behavior with bullshit studies and cries to the government to take care of them.

I for one believe in individualism. What ever you do, you are responsible for it. There really isn't any way around it. If you did it, it's your fault. People need to buck up, and take responsibility. Take the initiative, be an outstanding person and live your life to the fullest.
 

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Koroviev said:
Algebra II is absolutely essential, you will apply it everyday for the rest of your life! Or so says the Algebra II teacher. Let us be honest with ourselves: certain classes are not necessary. An art major will not need higher math. A science major will not need art. What is necessary? I'd say a certain level of math, maybe algebra, English, and a little history and science. Of course kids should be exposed to the whole spectrum, but by high school, and especially college, shouldn't they be allowed to specialize? Wouldn't it be a better use of resources if kids were placed in classes in which they would actually have the will to apply themselves?
I get what you're saying, but I feel kids don't really know what they like until they've been exposed to it, then they can seperate what they like and don't like. What the curriculum does now is give a broad range of subjects to the kids, then they can pick which ones they want to study, on top of the compulsory ones, which are compulsory for a reason.

Why is maths important? It's not like we're gonna use trigonometry day to day, or even at all. Maths exercises different parts of our brain, particularly the logic thinking/puzzle solving side. It's not about whether the subject is useful or not, it's about brain development/training.
 
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I don't think children or parents need to be blamed for this...I'm not even convinced it's a problem as such.

School just sucks, you know? That's why kids aren't interested, and they never have been(today's parents hated it too...). If there is an increase in disobedience, I would sooner attribute it to our views on discipline...the fact that we frown upon beating children into submission now. Which again, I don't think is a bad thing.

The people who moan are the people who have lost touch, or just had silly expectations to start with.
 

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x0ny said:
Koroviev said:
Algebra II is absolutely essential, you will apply it everyday for the rest of your life! Or so says the Algebra II teacher. Let us be honest with ourselves: certain classes are not necessary. An art major will not need higher math. A science major will not need art. What is necessary? I'd say a certain level of math, maybe algebra, English, and a little history and science. Of course kids should be exposed to the whole spectrum, but by high school, and especially college, shouldn't they be allowed to specialize? Wouldn't it be a better use of resources if kids were placed in classes in which they would actually have the will to apply themselves?
I get what you're saying, but I feel kids don't really know what they like until they've been exposed to it, then they can seperate what they like and don't like. What the curriculum does now is give a broad range of subjects to the kids, then they can pick which ones they want to study, on top of the compulsory ones, which are compulsory for a reason.

Why is maths important? It's not like we're gonna use trigonometry day to day, or even at all. Maths exercises different parts of our brain, particularly the logic thinking/puzzle solving side. It's not about whether the subject is useful or not, it's about brain development/training.
As it concerns your first paragraph, that's what I said. I just think that such exposure becomes wasteful at a certain point.

You have to use logic in virtually every academic endeavor you undertake. Math isn't special in this regard. A certain level of math is necessary, but higher level math requirements have a tendency to do little more than frustrate those for whom they have little relevance.
 

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I don't think children or parents need to be blamed for this...I'm not even convinced it's a problem as such.

School just sucks, you know? That's why kids aren't interested, and they never have been(today's parents hated it too...). If there is an increase in disobedience, I would sooner attribute it to our views on discipline...the fact that we frown upon beating children into submission now. Which again, I don't think is a bad thing.

The people who moan are the people who have lost touch, or just had silly expectations to start with.
Punishment is inferior to positive/negative reinforcement in terms of efficacy. Therefore, I don't think corporal punishment is a good solution.
 
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Koroviev said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
I don't think children or parents need to be blamed for this...I'm not even convinced it's a problem as such.

School just sucks, you know? That's why kids aren't interested, and they never have been(today's parents hated it too...). If there is an increase in disobedience, I would sooner attribute it to our views on discipline...the fact that we frown upon beating children into submission now. Which again, I don't think is a bad thing.

The people who moan are the people who have lost touch, or just had silly expectations to start with.
Punishment is inferior to positive/negative reinforcement in terms of efficacy. Therefore, I don't think corporal punishment is a good solution.
Are you purposely preaching to the choir? It's fine and all, but you should be attending to the flock.
 

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Sexual Harassment Panda said:
Koroviev said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
I don't think children or parents need to be blamed for this...I'm not even convinced it's a problem as such.

School just sucks, you know? That's why kids aren't interested, and they never have been(today's parents hated it too...). If there is an increase in disobedience, I would sooner attribute it to our views on discipline...the fact that we frown upon beating children into submission now. Which again, I don't think is a bad thing.

The people who moan are the people who have lost touch, or just had silly expectations to start with.
Punishment is inferior to positive/negative reinforcement in terms of efficacy. Therefore, I don't think corporal punishment is a good solution.
Are you purposely preaching to the choir? It's fine and all, but you should be attending to the flock.
Oh, I misread your post. Sorry for that XD
 

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Koroviev said:
nor do I approve of their parents condoning this gross irresponsibility.
This is what it boils down too... and it's everywhere! I saw this (terrible) mother in a shop on the weekend letting her kid run around crazy pushing things over and yelling. Not once did she do ANYTHING! If you start down this path it just gets harder and harder to change it.

Its' always on the parents, always. None of this "Oh Timmy just needs to get it out of his system, he's really a good kid" business. No he's not good kid. And he will never be a good kid because you are a bad parent. It's that simple. Harden the fuck up and discipline your kids.
 

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XinfiniteX said:
Koroviev said:
nor do I approve of their parents condoning this gross irresponsibility.
This is what it boils down too... and it's everywhere! I saw this (terrible) mother in a shop on the weekend letting her kid run around crazy pushing things over and yelling. Not once did she do ANYTHING! If you start down this path it just gets harder and harder to change it.

Its' always on the parents, always. None of this "Oh Timmy just needs to get it out of his system, he's really a good kid" business. No he's not good kid. And he will never be a good kid because you are a bad parent. It's that simple. Harden the fuck up and discipline your kids.
I think it's less about getting tough and more about getting smart, to use an old cliche. One of the biggest problems I see as it concerns younger kids is that parents often drag them places without bringing any toys. Kids that age are hard-wired to seek out stimulation, and moreover, have very limited attention spans. Taking them to the DMV, for example, and expecting them to sit quietly for two or three hours is a very unfair expectation that pays no mind to the child's capabilities. The icing on the stupidity cake is when the parents hit the kids. It's like punishing someone else for your own idiocy!

Of course, as you point out, there are parents who, rather than punishing their kids, do nothing. This is the other extreme. While punishment is certainly not an effective means of getting someone to cooperate in the long-term, doing nothing is almost as bad. Similar to punishment, passivity does not teach the child the proper way of acting. Instead, by embracing such an approach, parents inadvertently condone actions that really need to be replaced.
 

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Aur0ra145 said:
I for one believe in individualism. What ever you do, you are responsible for it. There really isn't any way around it. If you did it, it's your fault. People need to buck up, and take responsibility. Take the initiative, be an outstanding person and live your life to the fullest.
Agreed. People also seem to have issues with seeing the difference between an excuse and a reason behind their actions.
Lets say that I slip, and accidentaly knock someones drink over. I just don't tell them "I slipped", and expect that everythings fine now, I apologize to them for knocking their drink over and maybe I tell them the reason why it happened. Because even though there might be a valid reason behind why it happened, that doesn't automatically mean I'm off the hook for messing up.

The same thing for this situation. Yes, you were distracted by facebook and didn't do your homework, in the end, you're the one that didn't use your head and chose to hang on facebook rather than study(even though you were affected by outside stimuli, but you're still in control of yourself). Even though you might have special needs or something, you're still responsible for not doing your homework, and you should realise this and take it into consideration, so that you can avoid doing this mistake again. A reason isn't the same as an excuse. People need to realise their mistakes and take responsibility.

tl;dr Just read the quote, I just rambled, sorry.
 

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You know something? I don't doubt that technology has had a major negative effect on my productivity over the years. It's just too damn tempting when the ability to break away from an unpleasant task is so readily available.

I do my best work under a tight deadline. I had an 8-page paper due this morning (leaving for class in about half an hour). I didn't even start it until three hours ago. I meant to do it over the weekend but I'm playing through Fallout 3 again...and shooting emails back and forth with friends and lovers far and wide...and at one point even stopping what I was doing...to order a pizza and watch Stephen Colbert videos while I waited for it to arrive.

Some folks may have the iron will and discipline to be productive in the face of temptation to goof off. The rest of us are only human, and I remember how impulsive I was at 16---hell, I'm barely better now about it!

So yeah---when they say kids need to be disconnected from tech once in awhile, I absolutely, positively, COMPLETELY agree. I don't bring my laptop or my phone to campus anymore when I go to class unless I'm planning to work on a project that requires the use of a computer (because my laptop is faster and runs better than the slow-as-fuck computers in the college labs.) At least there I have some motivation to work quickly because I find the company of business students deeply unpleasant so working hard means I get to go home sooner.
 

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SimuLord said:
You know something? I don't doubt that technology has had a major negative effect on my productivity over the years. It's just too damn tempting when the ability to break away from an unpleasant task is so readily available.

I do my best work under a tight deadline. I had an 8-page paper due this morning (leaving for class in about half an hour). I didn't even start it until three hours ago. I meant to do it over the weekend but I'm playing through Fallout 3 again...and shooting emails back and forth with friends and lovers far and wide...and at one point even stopping what I was doing...to order a pizza and watch Stephen Colbert videos while I waited for it to arrive.

Some folks may have the iron will and discipline to be productive in the face of temptation to goof off. The rest of us are only human, and I remember how impulsive I was at 16---hell, I'm barely better now about it!

So yeah---when they say kids need to be disconnected from tech once in awhile, I absolutely, positively, COMPLETELY agree. I don't bring my laptop or my phone to campus anymore when I go to class unless I'm planning to work on a project that requires the use of a computer (because my laptop is faster and runs better than the slow-as-fuck computers in the college labs.) At least there I have some motivation to work quickly because I find the company of business students deeply unpleasant so working hard means I get to go home sooner.
Exactly. People have the power to step away from their computers. If it is necessary that they do so in order to complete an assignment, then so be it. If they choose not to, then it is simply irresponsible to blame the inanimate hardware for sabotaging their grades.