Activision Wants Black Ops Owners to Report Bugs, Please

Autofaux

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JerrytheBullfrog said:
Autofaux said:
Dearest Activision,

WE DID NOT PAY FULL PRICE TO BETA TEST YOUR SHIT.

Thank you.
The Great JT said:
Hey, here's an idea, Activision. How's about you hire more QA testers?
ITP people who know nothing about software development.

You can have a hundred QA testers working on a game for months. They will *never* find everything. Even the most polished game will have bugs that QA testers simply never think of.
I know that. My point is that we did not pay full price to have to send bug reports because the game was not in development long enough. It's very true that a hundred beta testers cannot find every single little glitch and bug, and while the multiplayer bugs that exist could've been solved with a beta (the absence of which still pisses me off), it's still not the consumer's job to test the game.
 

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Let me just look at this for a moment and examine it with two perspectives here:

1: Why didn't they just hire people to beta test/QA test/etc? It hurts to pay be rewarded for buying new only to get an inferior product than those people who come later.
2: Well, honestly, they can't catch everything. And so long as it is playable with no major bugs, you shouldn't push back a release date just for extra polishing.

1: Weren't people going to post online in a rage anyways? Why do they even need to ask this?
2: They were actually very polite with how they asked this, as well as indicating that they intend to be much more involved with their consumers/fan base this time, listening to them rather than just patching what they want like a lot of online games. In addition, the guy happens to be much more PRable than Kotick.

1: Speaking of that, why the fuck does Kotick still run Activision/exist?
2: ... Don't look at me. I want an answer to that question too.
 

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arc1991 said:
Senaro said:
Floating apple bug. Fix it.
This bug is the bane of all bugs! it must be stopped! it's ruining the game D:

hehe ^_^
I NO RITE!

I WAS ALL UP IN THEIR GRILLS, PWNING SOME HAX0R NOOBS, AND I WAS ALL LIKE "DOOD WTF THIS APPLE BE CRAZY YO, IT JUST HANGS THERE THE SAME WAY BRICKS DON'T."

NEED PATCHED PL0X!

[sup] If someone quotes this and somehow, even in text, misses the sarcasm, you lose 10 internets. [/sup]
 

The Rockerfly

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Good, at least they can respond effectively but I get the feeling people will ask to nerf various weapons and quick scoping is going to fill up his blog walls

I can't wait to play black ops... At Christmas
 

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AjimboB said:
Lol, activision wants us to report bugs? What did they do about bugs in MW2? NOTHING! The lazy prats.

They just want to make it look like they're listening to their fans, but most of the bugs in this game will never get fixed, and any bug reports that player submit are going straight into the nearest shredder/landfill/delete key.
That was Infinity Wards fault, not Activsion.

And they did solve some of the bugs, just not all.
 

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The Rockerfly said:
Good, at least they can respond effectively but I get the feeling people will ask to nerf various weapons and quick scoping is going to fill up his blog walls

I can't wait to play black ops... At Christmas
Your avatar is pure win.

I love it!
 

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Jack and Calumon said:
And here come's the first 600 that ignore what he says and say "WTF!!!!!1 FIX QUIKSCOPING NOOB!

Change sucks, right?

Calumon: I thought that Vacuums did that?
I've lost count of how many forums I have visited to lol @ such retards?
It hasn't gotten old yet, but I'm pretty sure I've heard every single argument "in support of why quickscoping is a legitimate playstyle" that proves how terrible it is, and how glad I am to see it gone.

OP, can you please post somewhere in your post in big bold letters saying "we know quick-scoping is broke, rant somewhere else"?
Pretty sure the QS people will come here to cry about that in a few minutes?

I'll just say that I miss the sprinting drop-shot =(
As for weapon balancing, it'll take a week or so to get fully acquainted with all the weapons to say whether X > Y and such.
 

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Being a Senior QA Analyst/Engineer for 12 years has taught me a few things.
Number 1 - I would never want to release buggy software to the general public. This leads directly to...
Number 2 - The trend in today's world is to allow buggy software to be released to the general public, knowing that it is cheaper to fix a large percentage of bugs within the first few weeks of a release by having the end users provide feedback. Call of Duty is a 3 billion dollar franchise. Therefore, Activision/Treyarch have learned that releasing a game a year that will sell millions of copies, regardless of the opening release bugginess, will make them lots of money. Because they believe that their end user base will continue to buy it, they will continue to rely on the end users to do most of the work. Activision/Treyarch will tell you that they have committed months and months of development and QA time and effort into this Black Ops version...and they have. But they didn't do enough. Which brings me to ...
Number 3 - Know your users. The better you know your users, the better you can predict what they will do with your software, and thus, be able to provide the best quality user experience possible. I believe that Activision has made some serious transgressions when it comes to what it expects from its users. These people cannot be expected to put together detailed, precise bug reports, that are politely written on the Call of Duty Forums. Put yourself in the user's shoes. I just bought a $60 game, that has 6 earlier versions to its credit. By the 7th version, I am expecting perfection from the get-go. When I have trouble installing it, trouble getting it to run without re-booting my machine, and extremely slow performance with choppy framerate graphics which make the gameplay unbearable, then I should have the right to express my disdain for not having received fair value for my purchase and for the trouble I have to go through. I also have the right to get paid to do their job, if they want clear, concise, bug reports. But they do not offer that to their users. They expect that the user will do whatever it takes to make the product better, because all the user wants to do is play the game.
Activision: Do us all a favor, and spend the extra month or two it would take to make the game playable and enjoyable from the start, so we don't notice the bugs after only 10 minutes of installing it and/or playing it. Please use these guidelines for Call of Duty 8, and spend some of the millions in profits to make a better game at the time of release. And please don't disrespect the PC players in favor of your console users, even though most of your sales go to XBOX360 & PS3 users. We PC players are a proud people.
 

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Autofaux said:
I know that. My point is that we did not pay full price to have to send bug reports because the game was not in development long enough. It's very true that a hundred beta testers cannot find every single little glitch and bug, and while the multiplayer bugs that exist could've been solved with a beta (the absence of which still pisses me off), it's still not the consumer's job to test the game.
Following your logic every game ever shouldn't have been released because there are bugs in them that devs would want to hear about and fix.
 

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I doubt the developers will listen to the inevitable nerf weapon complaints.

THEY ARE ASKING FOR REPORTS OF BUGS, NOT OPINIONS ON WEAPON BALANCE.

Even if the many idiots don't realize this I'm sure it will go well.
 

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arc1991 said:
The Rockerfly said:
Good, at least they can respond effectively but I get the feeling people will ask to nerf various weapons and quick scoping is going to fill up his blog walls

I can't wait to play black ops... At Christmas
Your avatar is pure win.

I love it!
Haha thanks, I love it and luckily no one else has it :D
 

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arc1991 said:
Activision may be ran by the devil's spawn, but they get a bit of respect for this.

I'm calling that half the COD players will report that the sniping is broken XD

Personally i think Chopper Gunner should be powered down a little, or at least get rid of the splash damage it has.

Other than that it looks fine =D
I know right? i got one in a care package and man, it just destroyed the other team, it was better than the one in MW2, i couldn't believe how much splash damage it had.

OP: I found a bug in the single palyer, well found[/] may be over stating it, in one of the later levels i was walking around an area i'd just been in a prior mission and there were men standing up straight with their arms out parallel to the ground...i shot them...and nothing, not until i got a bit braver (braver than shooting what looked like unarmed men) did i notice that they weren't moving...or alive, they were, from what i could tell, supposed to be dead soldiers on the ground, but nope, just a bug, could walk right through them and everything.
 

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fanklok said:
Autofaux said:
I know that. My point is that we did not pay full price to have to send bug reports because the game was not in development long enough. It's very true that a hundred beta testers cannot find every single little glitch and bug, and while the multiplayer bugs that exist could've been solved with a beta (the absence of which still pisses me off), it's still not the consumer's job to test the game.
Following your logic every game ever shouldn't have been released because there are bugs in them that devs would want to hear about and fix.
Okay, this can follow one of two ways. Either that game has some tiny amount of bugs, in which case it doesn't hurt to push the release a bit to fix them, or that game is so incredibly buggy that the release should be pushed back (insert Obsidian sledge here). On both counts, it is NOT the responsibility of the consumer to test for them when they pay full price for a (presumed) completed product.

But the developers don't push enough for it to be pushed back, or the publishers stamp their feet and whinge about releasing it on time, or people quote the End User License Agreement or whatever, in any case, as a consumer I did not pay to be saddled with bugs that should've been dealt with prior to release, and this 'send us bug reports' rubbish is admission of fault.
 

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Autofaux said:
fanklok said:
Autofaux said:
I know that. My point is that we did not pay full price to have to send bug reports because the game was not in development long enough. It's very true that a hundred beta testers cannot find every single little glitch and bug, and while the multiplayer bugs that exist could've been solved with a beta (the absence of which still pisses me off), it's still not the consumer's job to test the game.
Following your logic every game ever shouldn't have been released because there are bugs in them that devs would want to hear about and fix.
Okay, this can follow one of two ways. Either that game has some tiny amount of bugs, in which case it doesn't hurt to push the release a bit to fix them, or that game is so incredibly buggy that the release should be pushed back (insert Obsidian sledge here). On both counts, it is NOT the responsibility of the consumer to test for them when they pay full price for a (presumed) completed product.

But the developers don't push enough for it to be pushed back, or the publishers stamp their feet and whinge about releasing it on time, or people quote the End User License Agreement or whatever, in any case, as a consumer I did not pay to be saddled with bugs that should've been dealt with prior to release, and this 'send us bug reports' rubbish is admission of fault.
So either a game should be in development forever so they can get every bug in it fixed, or they fully deny the existence of bugs in the game saying it's perfect and everything that happens was fully planned.
 

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Or they could do what was in the old days called, TESTING! I guess we'll never see a completed piece of software ever again.
 

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Would be good if Yahtzee could warn us whether this is an Alpha or Beta release.