ADHA - Real or just an excuse?
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See that's the problem Your little brother has American Dental Hygienist Association.LittleWench1629 said:
Though if he had ADD/ADHD I'd say that not only is this real and a difficult disorder to overcome, but with support and the proper treatment of medications and therapy he should be fine.
Your, incorrect; but no less valid theory that he is faking, stems from the tendency to diagnose to quickly in young children. While it is true that most children are hyperactive by there nature, there is a glaring difference, people suffering from this affliction will find the are physically unable to pay attention, or in the case of ADHD sit still and pay attention.
Your brother might be having a tough time dealing with it, so instead of accusations why not act like a good older brother and show the kid so understanding and kindness.
I see your "experience" and raise you "altered neurological response to chemical stimuli".katsumoto03 said:
That is to say, the standard drug family for treating ADHD is a relative of amphetamines. A person with normal neurological functions will end up bouncing off the walls after a dose. A legitimate case of ADHD will end up substantially calmer afterwords.
Now, is it over-diagnosed? Yeah, so's everything else. But the disorder does exist, whatever you may want to believe.
I never claimed to have working experience with them. I just end up listening to them ***** and whine.eljawa said:
Quoted for truth.baker80 said:
You people are not psychologists. I should know, I fucking study it. Ironically, it's the same problem that cause it to be overdiagnosed, because people think 'oh, Psychology, that's just common sense, right? I mean, we're all experts in Psychology'. People know a lot less about Psychology than they think they do.
It is most definitely real. Scroll down to 313.0x - ADHD is right there. [http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/InfancyChildhoodAdolescence.aspx] Here's it in detail. [http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=383]
One of my best friends had ADHD. He wasn't "Hyper"
What the symptoms showed up as extreme uncontrollable insomnia. Like 4 days at a time for no reason. He twitched a lot, vibrated, couldn't stop moving his hands ETC but that wasn't all it took to get a diagnosis, it was a serious issue taken up by a trained doctor. I myself have always got to be using my hands as I have a small form of Autism (Where else did I get the name, eh?) but they didn't diagnose that as ADD: they take in everything else and give an accuarate diagnosis based on what their educated minds believe and find most reasonable.
Is ADHD over diagnosed? Absolutely. Does it exist? Without a doubt. Is it an excuse? No. Do you think the kids that get prescriptions want to be taking what is essentially small doses of cocaine (Ritalin)?
They take it because they have to, it was prescribed to them by a doctor, and we SHOULD trust our doctors on this. If we left our health to the internet and naysayers, well...
If a doctor over diagnoses or misdiagnoses there is cause for a malpractice suit so it is in his best interest to diagnose accuarately and in this Lawsuit-Happy day and age sometimes the Better-Safe-Than-Sorry method does occur, but even then prescriptions and treatment would still be administered by a professional to the best of his abilities.
Don't deny treatment by professionals just because you don't believe it personally.
What the symptoms showed up as extreme uncontrollable insomnia. Like 4 days at a time for no reason. He twitched a lot, vibrated, couldn't stop moving his hands ETC but that wasn't all it took to get a diagnosis, it was a serious issue taken up by a trained doctor. I myself have always got to be using my hands as I have a small form of Autism (Where else did I get the name, eh?) but they didn't diagnose that as ADD: they take in everything else and give an accuarate diagnosis based on what their educated minds believe and find most reasonable.
Is ADHD over diagnosed? Absolutely. Does it exist? Without a doubt. Is it an excuse? No. Do you think the kids that get prescriptions want to be taking what is essentially small doses of cocaine (Ritalin)?
They take it because they have to, it was prescribed to them by a doctor, and we SHOULD trust our doctors on this. If we left our health to the internet and naysayers, well...
If a doctor over diagnoses or misdiagnoses there is cause for a malpractice suit so it is in his best interest to diagnose accuarately and in this Lawsuit-Happy day and age sometimes the Better-Safe-Than-Sorry method does occur, but even then prescriptions and treatment would still be administered by a professional to the best of his abilities.
Don't deny treatment by professionals just because you don't believe it personally.
Sort of a tricky subject. ADHD is very real, but the catch is that cases where parents harass a psychiatrist until he gives them the diagnosis also exist. I also suspect that some patients with certain disorders are automatically branded with ADHD.
That being said, a lot of my experience with people who claim it is over diagnosed is... unpleasant. Ignorance is not uncommon, with many of them not knowing the actual symptoms of the disorders they rally against. I have to keep reminding them that the reason ADHD and Asperger's Syndrome cases are appearing with increasing frequency is because WE ONLY RECENTLY MADE DIAGNOSIS GUIDELINES FOR THE FUCKING DISORDERS.
That being said, a lot of my experience with people who claim it is over diagnosed is... unpleasant. Ignorance is not uncommon, with many of them not knowing the actual symptoms of the disorders they rally against. I have to keep reminding them that the reason ADHD and Asperger's Syndrome cases are appearing with increasing frequency is because WE ONLY RECENTLY MADE DIAGNOSIS GUIDELINES FOR THE FUCKING DISORDERS.
I believe that ADHA (Or ADHD or ADD or whatever the hell they're calling it this week...) is a real condition, but also believe that it's extremely overdiagnosed and overblown. I think a toddler with a short attention span and a rebellious streak is completely normal, and not a cause for medication.
I also think a lot of people really milk disabilities these days. I present the following comic for your entertainment:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1762
These days, it really does seem that virtually every character flaw is becoming a medical condition.
I also think a lot of people really milk disabilities these days. I present the following comic for your entertainment:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1762
These days, it really does seem that virtually every character flaw is becoming a medical condition.
I heard somewhere that there was a study done that shows sugar doesn't actually cause people to get hyperactive. Can't remember where for the life of me.John the Gamer said:He just eats too much sugar. Psychic conditions like ADHD and Autism are real, but not everyone diagnosed as such actually has it. I've got this book with the characteristics of a person with Autism/ADHD/PDD-NOS/etc, but just about everyone has half or more of the points in that list. So everyone would we an Autist or ADHD-hypersmurf. Fuck psychic conditions. Let's all go crazy and be happy about it.
OT: I'm not one to say ADHD is a legitimate condition. I don't care how many government agencies says it is. I agree with several others on here that is comes off more as an excuse for kids misbehaving because parents are willing to discipline the little shits.
I've always thought of ADHD as an excuse for school systems to drug their most "misbehaived" students...
As a child, I was diagnosed with ADHD, and not by a doctor. But by the school's counseler. I wasn't even the craziest kid in my class. You know what the problem was? My parents weren't important enough for the teachers to deal with me. That's right, school systems discriminate against their kids. My mom never went to and PTA meetings, and she didn't have time to chaperone any field trips. The result was me being in the school's hands from 8:30 to 3:00...
I'm in high school now, and I'm doing fine. I never had ADHD, and I'm glad my mom never beleived a word of it and gave me prescribed drugs to "calm me down". I hate how parents are willingly giving their kids drugs just to shut them up. You're a parent, you're going to have to deal with your child, otherwise don't have one...
As a child, I was diagnosed with ADHD, and not by a doctor. But by the school's counseler. I wasn't even the craziest kid in my class. You know what the problem was? My parents weren't important enough for the teachers to deal with me. That's right, school systems discriminate against their kids. My mom never went to and PTA meetings, and she didn't have time to chaperone any field trips. The result was me being in the school's hands from 8:30 to 3:00...
I'm in high school now, and I'm doing fine. I never had ADHD, and I'm glad my mom never beleived a word of it and gave me prescribed drugs to "calm me down". I hate how parents are willingly giving their kids drugs just to shut them up. You're a parent, you're going to have to deal with your child, otherwise don't have one...
It's very real for people to be overly impulsive, impatient, inattentive.
But the catch is that it's not the people's fault. It's the environment who pushes them into situations they never cared to be in. Such people really can't pay attention, unless it's of top interest. I don't see what's wrong with it - something is so boring for them that it isn't worth paying attention to, yet the other side exists, too. If it's interesting, then they just can't stop. Maybe it's not the true definition of ADHD, but I think this can be an asset in certain situations in which other personalities wouldn't quite be up to spec.
Just for FYI, I'm not ADHD. But we are very impulsive in our family, and guessing from what my parents have told me about raising me and what I've experienced myself as I watched the little sister grow up, I must say I can extrapolate what can it be. So lets stop the ignorant posts about "bad parenting". If it was bad parenting, such people would be long dead before they actually learned to control themselves.
But the catch is that it's not the people's fault. It's the environment who pushes them into situations they never cared to be in. Such people really can't pay attention, unless it's of top interest. I don't see what's wrong with it - something is so boring for them that it isn't worth paying attention to, yet the other side exists, too. If it's interesting, then they just can't stop. Maybe it's not the true definition of ADHD, but I think this can be an asset in certain situations in which other personalities wouldn't quite be up to spec.
Just for FYI, I'm not ADHD. But we are very impulsive in our family, and guessing from what my parents have told me about raising me and what I've experienced myself as I watched the little sister grow up, I must say I can extrapolate what can it be. So lets stop the ignorant posts about "bad parenting". If it was bad parenting, such people would be long dead before they actually learned to control themselves.
Oh it exists. Not every case should be medicated. I just don't like it being treated like a disability. It has it's advantages and disadvantages.
I find that horribly offensive since the small form of autism I mentioned earlier is, in fact, Aspergeurs. And anyway, inciting child abuse is NEVER ever on, and I hope a moderator catches on to that.Batfred said:
Seriously, before I was diagnosed I was miserable, didn't understand why I didn't fit in at school and was honest to god borderline suicidal. That is not an overreaction, I often went on to the roof of an extremely tall building every day (My school) and just looked out and thought "What if".
Since the diagnosis and counseler apointments at school, I've learnt how to (Mostly) function as a normal human being. My Dad used to hit me with a belt and all it did was make it worse. If you just hit kids with mental conditions, what do you think would happen, their brains would fix itself?! No, if that happened once more I woulda done myself in, not fixed myself up.
The only thing that has ever helped is treatment. Beating never solves anything.
I think ADHA, ADD and the whole sub classfications do exist, I see them as part of a larger problem in the way that children are being brought up. Alot of people think its crap but then children are incontact more with additives, E numbers, pollution, and generally have a different childhood enviroment than 15 years ago. With this disorders like Aspergers and Autism have seen to be on the rise, ADHA and ADD are minor traits of these disorders.
As Gethsemani stated the problem is prescription and the reliance of pills to make something go away or lessen. It is now a huge global market in which there needs to be a constant demand for, hence many just say bad behaviour is such and such and then you take such and such.
I have diagnosed with dysgraphia (language and written form dylsexia) at the age of 22, and in my 3rd year of Uni. Basically I have taught myself how to handle my dyslexia and this is what is left. Alot of people say it is just bad grammar, spelling, I don't read enough, I wasn't read to enough as a kid, when I actually read alot, do a heavy reading and writing based degree and yet I still can't get the hang of transfering my thoughts onto paper in a logical construct.
This has also been linked with my bi-polar and also I show signs of slight aspergers. This is why it annoys me that people just get branded as ADD or ADHD as it is normally part of something on the grander scale which has alternatives to just drugging up your children in hope of a cure.
As Gethsemani stated the problem is prescription and the reliance of pills to make something go away or lessen. It is now a huge global market in which there needs to be a constant demand for, hence many just say bad behaviour is such and such and then you take such and such.
I have diagnosed with dysgraphia (language and written form dylsexia) at the age of 22, and in my 3rd year of Uni. Basically I have taught myself how to handle my dyslexia and this is what is left. Alot of people say it is just bad grammar, spelling, I don't read enough, I wasn't read to enough as a kid, when I actually read alot, do a heavy reading and writing based degree and yet I still can't get the hang of transfering my thoughts onto paper in a logical construct.
This has also been linked with my bi-polar and also I show signs of slight aspergers. This is why it annoys me that people just get branded as ADD or ADHD as it is normally part of something on the grander scale which has alternatives to just drugging up your children in hope of a cure.
Just putting it out there, anyone who denies the existance of ADHD or (God help them) ASD is a troll and should be treated as one. Report and move on.
I have to put up with these ignorant bitches IRL, why should I have to hear them here (on a supposedly moderated forum of all places).
I have to put up with these ignorant bitches IRL, why should I have to hear them here (on a supposedly moderated forum of all places).
To be honest, I don't even know why this is even up for discussion. Of course, ADD and ADHD exist (though I have no idea what ADHA is), and it is a disease that a lot of unfortunate people have to live with in their day-to-day lives. I understand that there are sick people out there who would like to believe that they have these disorders for the purposes of shirking their responsibilities, however, to claim that they do not exist, to even speculate that these diseases are nothing more than falsehoods is an extremely ignorant thing to say. For your sake, I hope that no one reading this thread is deeply offended by your ignorance, for if I knew someone who had either of these diseases, or indeed, if I had one myself, you can safely assume that I would not be as civil as I am right now.
If you read the other thread that I alluded to though, you would see that beating and spanking have been agreed to be two very different things. Beating is out order and should NEVER be an excuse. Spanking was an acceptable form of child discipline and was what the previous debate was about - should it still be acceptable - and I think for the most part we said "yes".Mr.Numbers said:
As to causing offence, I am truly sorry. That was not the intent. I do however actually know a couple of kids diagnosed with Asperger's and they are just plain and simple naughty kids who have taken advantage of their soft parents for far too long. The diagnosis is how that parents feel that they can justify the poor job that they have done. Not my feelings, but fact as only 1 in 3 opinions by professionals has testified to.
I still stick by my original comments though and from the rest of the comments that I have read I think that again the vast majority agree, it is an excuse used in the majority and is poorly diagnosed. To clarify though, I never said that it didn't exist as that is ovbiously incorrect.
Lastly, poor form in asking for a moderator telling off. That's the equivalent of waving an imaginary yellow card. Boo to you.