Adventures in PC Gaming: Software Not Compatible

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scotth266

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Not too recently (actually more than half a year ago) my 360 bricked. I didn't want to deal with the hassle of sending it in to Tech Support, and wasn't particularly inconvenienced at the time (my roommate also had one), so I never got around to getting it repaired. After my roommate left, I grew more attached to my computer as a gaming device, particularly when I discovered the wonderful world of Steam.

This holiday season, while shopping for a holiday gift, I stumbled across one of the joys of my youth, in the form of the Myst 10-Year Anniversary Edition. I'd played Myst a lot (from the comfort of my father's lap), and so immediately snatched it up for some good ol' nostalgia gaming.



The problems began almost as soon as I popped the disc in the drive.

Ok, so maybe it wasn't that quickly that things went south. It took a while for the hell to really begin: I popped the disc in, installed the game and the version of Quicktime that it came with (I hadn't had to use Quicktime prior to that) and I was off. It started off fun: I was solving basic puzzles, getting into the game, and then BOOM: the first horrible random crash to desktop occurred. I thought that this was just a chance occurrence, and started the game back up immediately, but these (utterly random) crashes continued to plague me for some time.

After I managed to get a bit into the game, I decided to try and save. Everything worked fine the first time I tried it, and I didn't think anything of it till later... especially since I ran into the next horrible problem shortly after that. You see, the basis of Myst is that you touch books to traverse between worlds, and I had found several of these travel books: but whenever I opened them, KABOOM: crash to desktop.

In an attempt to solve my crashing problems, I attempted to run the game in several compatibility modes. While one of them seemed to work, it made the sound completely terrible. Disturbed by this turn of events, I turned to the internet for a solution. Lo and behold, not five minutes later, I had found a patch which apparently would fix all of my problems. I eagerly downloaded it and ran it... only to run into a brick wall. Windows 7 apparently doesn't like it when you try to mess with things in Program Files.

Unperturbed, I swiftly uninstalled the game and reinstalled it to a folder I created on my Desktop. The patch successfully ran this time, and I started the game up... only to find something like this staring at my face:



Windows NT? What the hell is this thing smoking?

After switching between all the compatibility modes available, and recieveing the same error message each time I tried to start the program up, I came to the conclusion that the patch was what had fucked me, and uninstalled/reinstalled the game to get rid of it (the patch had no uninstall feature.) I decided that playing the game with crappy sound was better than nothing, and attempted to run the game again. I got a ways in, attempted to save, and the game self-destructed. It appeared that this compatibility mode didn't just fuck with the sound: I wasn't even going to be able to properly play the game.

I decided that solving the problem with the crashes connected to the traveling books was a better course of action than messing with the compatibility modes any longer. I tried upgrading Quicktime to the latest version, thinking that it might just be a matter of 7 hating the older version. When I next ran Myst, I got nothing more than a black screen.



Well, at least it's not an error message...

I went around the house seething for the next few minutes, trying to figure out my next course of action. When my dad asked me what was wrong, I told him this little tale, and he asked to see the game in question. I gave the disc to him, he promptly installed it on his own laptop (running Windows XP)...

And it worked perfectly. So instead of messing about with my computer any more, I played the game on his laptop through to completion.

[HEADING=1]And so, the thread topic: what craziness have you endured trying to get games (both old and new) to work on your computers?[/HEADING]

Later on, while mucking about trying to get Riven (the sequel) to work, I discovered that the black-screen problem was solved by uninstalling the new version of Quicktime, reinstalling the old one, and setting it to Safe Mode. Unfortunately, I still can't get Riven to run properly (the window it runs in is painfully small, and it crashes randomly), and I want the damn thing to work on MY machine this time, so I guess it'll be a while before I can continue playing it.

This whole saga has reminded me of that bout I had with City Of Heroes(and the NCSoft website) [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.109521] a while back...
 

The Madman

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All the time, although I've found generally a quick look online generally solves my problems as just about any game worth going back to is all but guaranteed to have a following who themselves will have experienced and fixed any problems which might arise.

I know I'm in the minority in this but there's even a certain thrill in getting these older games working. Digging through files, figuring out what is and what isn't working. And often times through the search for finding how to simply get a game working you'll stumble across mods and patches which not only make it work but improve the game so that once it's up and running it's doing so better than ever before.

Although there is something to be said for simply having something work flawlessly after an installation. One of the reasons I'm so fond of GoG.com is that they do all that stuff for you.

Still if it weren't for tinkering around with older games I'd never have stumbled across projects like the BG1 tutu mod or the Icewind Dale NPC project, to name a few.
 

scotth266

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The Madman said:
All the time, although I've found generally a quick look online generally solves my problems as just about any game worth going back to is all but guaranteed to have a following who themselves will have experienced and fixed any problems which might arise.
Indeed: the problem I had trying to get Myst to work was that there were so many sites (at least four different forums) covering issues with the game, and that most of them had no information on the issues I was encountering. Let me put it this way: it took me at least five hours of digging just to find the solution to the black screen problem, and it wasn't even on the four sites I just mentioned: it was a completely random tech help site.

Ironically, I still haven't been able to find a SINGLE mention of someone with the small screen problem in Riven. I even posted a thread about it on one of those forums, just to see if someone out there would take pity on me and toss me a probable solution :(

I totally forgot about GoG: I'll have to check them out in future to avoid shit like this happening. There is a certain allure to the struggle of getting a game operating, but when it takes an Olympian effort like the one I've put into Myst and Riven, it gets to you after a while.

I don't even want to think about what Myst 3: Exile is going to do to me.
 

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scotth266 said:
The Madman said:
I totally forgot about GoG: I'll have to check them out in future to avoid shit like this happening. There is a certain allure to the struggle of getting a game operating, but when it takes an Olympian effort like the one I've put into Myst and Riven, it gets to you after a while.
Get ready to rage, because GOG recently added Riven to their servers!

I think most of my issues come from DOSBox and having the wrong settings. I have compiled a copy of DOSBox to hopefully improve compatibility with my CPU, so...
 

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Lol. Man, that would suck, and I feel completely sorry for you. I've heard pretty awesome things about Myst.

Although, I'm sorry, but the console fangirl wants me too tell you that the only REAL compatibility problems you get on consoles are that some games are NTSC and not PAL.

>_>
<_<

Now that I have that out of my system; would you consider dual booting Win7 AND XP on your computer for occasions that later version of Windows doesn't like you?
 

scotth266

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Nevyrmoore said:
scotth266 said:
The Madman said:
I totally forgot about GoG: I'll have to check them out in future to avoid shit like this happening. There is a certain allure to the struggle of getting a game operating, but when it takes an Olympian effort like the one I've put into Myst and Riven, it gets to you after a while.
Get ready to rage, because GOG recently added Riven to their servers!
I already knew that they had the Myst games actually: I just forgot about it, and didn't think much of it at the time. When I saw the games being sold in my local Best Buy, I thought that they would have been given a bit of work to get them running on modern computers, similar to the thing that GOG does: alas, this I was wrong.
 

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Radelaide said:
Lol. Man, that would suck, and I feel completely sorry for you. I've heard pretty awesome things about Myst.

Although, I'm sorry, but the console fangirl wants me too tell you that the only REAL compatibility problems you get on consoles are that some games are NTSC and not PAL.

>_>
<_<

Now that I have that out of my system; would you consider dual booting Win7 AND XP on your computer for occasions that later version of Windows doesn't like you?
You WILL run into compatibility problems if you try to play a 10 year old game on any given current gen console.
 

CmdrGoob

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Well look at it this way:

Good luck getting a 17 year old game working on a console (yep, released in 93!).
 

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Dragon Age: Origins
It takes 3 different login/password combinations to use all the features of this game. Which would be a hassle but alright, if it were clear what they were.

Installed -> You need an EA master account. Created one. Logging to EA masteraccount provides a javascript popup over the EA masteraccount login to login to your bioware account. I thought I had none, cancelled, looked for where to create one. Gone there, tried to sign up. I couldn't, my email adress was already in use. Ah, I remember, I tried to sign up for SW:TOR beta.

Grep'd through my mail, found it. Signed into EA masteraccount, tried to sign in to bioware account. One general message "This username/password combination is incorrect". I assumed for half an hour the system meant my bioware account. Looked for ways to retrieve password on the web, reset it, tried again. Did not work. Finally I doubled checked my EA masteraccount login credentials. Made a typo there. Thanks for stating exactly which login failed (2 logins on one page with one error message, great idea). Logged in, finally working.

Started the game. CE DLC not working. Browsed for an answer. Found a looooooong thread on the bioware forums on google, could not access the forum thread, needs a new login. Created one. Read the thread, tried everything, found out that the updater service (WTF, why does a single game need an updater *service* which are meant for system relevant services). Started the service manually (start is on "automatic"). Have to start the service manually every time I want to play.

I have more examples: Steam, GTA4 (PC). I am frustrated as hell with PC gaming currently. Last time, I took a break from PC gaming for 2 years and switched over to XBox360. DAO makes me want to go back.
 

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CmdrGoob said:
Well look at it this way:

Good luck getting a 17 year old game working on a console (yep, released in 93!).
The easiest way to play 17 year old console games is *shock horror* on a PC :p

It's just not *legal* :(
 

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CmdrGoob said:
Well look at it this way:

Good luck getting a 17 year old game working on a console (yep, released in 93!).
Don't you just blow the dust off the connector pins?

Anyway I can't run anything past 2005 so I wouldn't really know about this sort of thing.
 

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Radelaide said:
Although, I'm sorry, but the console fangirl wants me too tell you that the only REAL compatibility problems you get on consoles are that some games are NTSC and not PAL.
Funny you should mention that, I'm kind of lucky in that regard because I own this funky old TV that can not only accept NTSC and PAL formats, but also has a dual voltage transformer that works with both 120 and 220 volt outlets. Maybe they just happen to not be common around here, but I've never seen anything like it before or since. I guess if I ever move to a PAL country and remember to drag it with me, I'm set. :D

Back on topic though, while I haven't tried for a while so this might have changed, I have never gotten Battlezone 2 to work on anything newer than Windows 98.

"Not compatible with Windows NT technology" or some such bullshit.
 

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I love it when your computer is to new to play old games, and to old to play new games. Thats where i'm at.. I can play Sim City 4.. thats pretty much it.
 

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I can't play Far Cry 1, KOTOR or Vietcong on Vista.
I'm going to cry in the corner now..
Oh? For some reason Far Cry 1 worked fine on my Vista machine: though I was going through STEAM, so it may have something to do with that.

The_Deleted said:
ROME:TW + Vista=
Don't get me started!
I got that game as a birthday gift back when I had an XP machine. It worked fine then... sorry to hear that Vista gives you heartache there.

tme said:
Oh god, that sounds awful. I might reconsider getting DA:O for the PC now... though I wasn't going to get it for a long time anyway (I want to wait for a version of the game bundled with all the DLC to be released, which given that the game is supposed to be supported over the next two years means I'm going to be waiting a LONG time :D).

DoctorNick said:
"Not compatible with Windows NT technology" or some such bullshit.
So you had the same problem as me, for a different game? Eerie...

SextusMaximus said:
When I was young, my dorling kindersley learning game wouldn't work on WIndows XP.
What on Earth is Dorling Kindersley? Odds are, it isn't as awesome as Zoombinis was.

Which reminds me, Zoombinis and Oregon Trail 4 don't work on Vista either. I'll have to try 7, maybe it'll let me play them this time...
 

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The worst thing to install on computers nowadays, are games that are made for Windows 95, but not for DOS. I mean, you can fix DOS with an emulator like DOSBox, but if the game won't work on DOS and refuses to cooperate with Vista or Windows 7, you're pretty much screwed.

*sniff* I wanna play Heart of Darkness... *sob*
 

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C117 said:
The worst thing to install on computers nowadays, are games that are made for Windows 95, but not for DOS. I mean, you can fix DOS with an emulator like DOSBox, but if the game won't work on DOS and refuses to cooperate with Vista or Windows 7, you're pretty much screwed.

*sniff* I wanna play Heart of Darkness... *sob*
For you and scotth266, if you have beefy enough computers to do so, might I suggest Microsoft's free [a href=http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx]Virtual XP[/a] download for Windows 7? They say it's not built for gaming, but Myst is surely old enough that that wouldn't matter, and maybe, just maybe Heart of darkness could slip in there. I've gotten it to run SimTower, which even XP regular wouldn't do as that game is apparently 16 bit.

I have no idea if this will work for either of you, but dammit, it's been too long since I've posted anything. It's good to be back.

[EDIT] Seems I make my suggestion forward going as several people posting after me might be able to make this work as well.

I'm looking at you specifically, thiosk.
 

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I can't play Sacrifice on Windows 7 and my broken tablet's driver is incompatible. Both say they're on Windows NT or something, and I can't be bothered to mess with them. No real loss. The only problems I've had so far that I've been annoyed about were with Mass Effect refusing to play and needing the newest patch... which worked straight away.
I guess I'm lucky like that.
 

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I'm so #*%$&($ pissed I can't get

to run on vista.

Planned obsolescence fucks us again!