Advice to give to the younger members of society. The under 21s

Parasondox

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During my time in school 10 years ago, I am 25, I naively thought life away from school would be a blessing. I personally hated my school experience. I was bullied, I didn't follow the crowd which led to me being left on my on a lot of the time. I wasn't "black" enough, so forth and so forth. So I turned 16, left secondary school into construction colleges to earn my badges and make my way into the working world. What has paused things is money. Courses are expensive. So I went through a different path. Didn't go to university, just work and courses to help with work.

However, not everyone goes through this. Some have tougher times as they were told one thing in school. You know, "Get straight A's and you won't ever flip burgers in your life" nonsense. Yeah, in the real world that's a bit of a lie. Unless your parents were loaded. In life there is a ladder you climb and there are misconceptions that they could just start in the middle once you finish Uni but in reality, you are starting from the bottom and climbing to reach your goals.

We have young users on this site with many different abilities and goals, so for those who are over 21, what would be your advice to them. Could be very friendly, silly, funny, serious, something your parents gave you when they went through the Victorian era, etc.

See, no controversy, just us being friendly. :)
 

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Learn to play an instrument, or draw, or something artistic.

When I was young, people told me to do something like this, and I just laughed. I thought it was stupid an unnecessary. Now, I'm almost 29, and I have 0 artistic ability. Can't draw, can't play, can't sing, can't dance. And it sucks. Now I have all these friends who can do neat things, and I look at youtube and the internet in general and see all this cool stuff I have no hope of matching. It's depressing.

So put a bit of time into it. Whether it be a guitar, or cello, or doodling anime characters.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
Learn to play an instrument, or draw, or something artistic.

When I was young, people told me to do something like this, and I just laughed. I thought it was stupid an unnecessary. Now, I'm almost 29, and I have 0 artistic ability. Can't draw, can't play, can't sing, can't dance. And it sucks. Now I have all these friends who can do neat things, and I look at youtube and the internet in general and see all this cool stuff I have no hope of matching. It's depressing.

So put a bit of time into it. Whether it be a guitar, or cello, or doodling anime characters.
Well it's never too late for that stuff. I recently started to teach my girlfriend how to draw (she's in her mid 20's) and she's started to take painting classes on the weekend. It's only been a couple weeks and probably like 16 hours of total practice but she can now create something that genuinely resembles a happy little tree. I don't doubt that if she keeps at it in a few months people will be shocked that she started only a few months ago. Best advice I can give on that is to take inspiration from your environment and practice in small, frequent increments.

As for the OP: don't settle for something you're not positive you'll like because of reservations about your primary interests. I went to college to be a nurse. I became a nurse. I hated being a nurse and now I'm going back to school to be a programmer. All that because I didn't think I was smart enough to be a programmer. Now I'm just kicking myself for not having spent all that time getting good at programming.
 

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Put down the phone and learn how to talk with people. Actually talk with them. Even if it's just how to be friendly to customers that come in to your job that you're working to get through school. I see and encounter so many young people nowadays that make me think, "How did you get hired? And how do you still have a job?" because of how they act when I walk up. Not even a smile.

I get it. Working in retail or fast food is a bummer. I know, I've been through it. But if you cheer up just a bit, try smiling, and just learning how to interact with a live human being instead of through the internet or your phone, you'd be surprised how easier it is to get through the day.
I know people are always saying it, but it's true.

Also, and this is more of a personal thing, learn how to write, or at least remember the rules of writing you learned in grade school. Some of the things I see on the internet, or in texts, make my eyes bleed and my brain scream. This, too, can help you in a lot of ways, because when someone is looking over your application and they see that you don't know the difference between 'to' and 'too', or the dreaded 'they're, their, and there', your odds of getting that job sink like a stone.
 

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Give a shit.

I mean in general. I'm a substitute teacher so I see a lot of different kids/teens, many of which have levels of apathy I didn't think possible. They have absolutely no clue how life works and have put zero thought into it. They think everything is just gonna work out magically somehow.

Let me tell you - it's up to you to make stuff happen. I don't mean blindly either; put some thought into what you want to do, seek advice from people (and actually consider it without dismissing it for the shallowest of reasons) and work towards something. Even in school, if you have decided that a certain subject is not worth your time, could you please give a shit for the sake of your teacher? Either way, you're going to be in their class and they are going to do whatever they can to help you pass. To throw it back in their face and kick & scream is just immature, short-sighted and inconsiderate.

Also, be nice to substitute teachers. They likely don't know exactly how the school works (discipline issues, getting around, etc) and they don't need you fucking up their day by pushing them to find their boundaries.
 

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If there is one thing I would drill into the minds of anyone looking at college (even though you won't listen to me because no one thinks it'll happen to them), it's this:

Think LONG and HARD about whether you want/need to go to college. I went to college and got $90,000 or so in dept because the "People who don't go to school become burger flippers and you don't want that, right?". Well I'm 30 (graduated college 8 years ago) and I have a job that I could have just as easily (well, maybe not JUST as easily but could have gotten) without a college education and a crippling debt that I'm still fighting and will continue to drown me for (at least) three more God forsaken years. I took this new job because it paid more and I absolutely hate it but I needed the pay raise just to survive in my shitty studio apartment. I don't own a home because of this debt. Frankly, going to college was the biggest mistake of my life and it's a mistake I'm still paying for.

That's not to say that school is a bad idea. Just for God's sake, don't ignore public universities and make sure that what you're going for NEEDS a degree and that it is a field you KNOW you want to get into. Talk to people in that industry. Find out how they became what they are. Make sure what you think they do is actually what they do. Make sure the path you are taking is the correct path if what they do is what you want to do. Don't listen to the college counselor who says that this is the path you should take; talk to someone who is NOT profiting off of you choosing their school. If you want to become something and you don't know anyone, don't be afraid to just ask (if you want to become a doctor for example, don't be afraid to just call a doctor's office and talk with someone about their job and their experience). There are far too many people who don't do the research they should for such an important decision and it'll kill you financially if you choose wrong.

Well that was fun...Captain Bringdown awaaaaaaay!
 

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I recommend 'Don't be a dick, dick.'

Also: Don't only do things you're good at.
I would suggest the opposite. Be a dick, and stand up for yourself. That way, no one tries to push you around and know where you stand. I'm a massive asshole and I'm as blunt and to the point as i can be. People appreciate that more that you think. As long it is true. Call a spade a spade and you will get more respect.

Also don't argue with everyone. Even though you are right choose your battle. Either that or learn how to debate properly. But not ever my battle is worth fighting.
 

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Don't expect a magical fairy to sprinkle adult dust on you and suddenly you know what the hell you are doing and have everything sorted out.

Oh, and while "they" say that high school is the best part of your life, I've never actually met any of "them".
 

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Lufia Erim said:
Also don't argue with everyone. Even though you are right choose your battle. Either that or learn how to debate properly. But not ever my battle is worth fighting.
That has been something I have been witnessing a lot with many around me lately and something I am learning to not do. Fighting every battle blind. Of course we have to stand up for ourselves, the world does not hold back. However, not ever fight needs to be fought to the death. There will be moments in your life where the fight isnt worth it and would be more easier to back down for now and prepare for the next one. Like you against a great white shark. If you arent ready for it, who do you think will most likely come out on top? Not all situations can be solved with an argument. Once again, backing down may help the situation be resolved quicker and you get a faster answer. That's advice from a person who works retail and has met many "annoyed" customers.
 

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* Life is not really as dramatic as it seems.
* Everything you think you know about yourself is going to change.
* People older than you probably don't have much more figured out than you do.
* Don't waste youth. It's overrated, but you'll notice when it's gone.
 

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-You don't matter. You seriously don't matter, nor should you EVER think you're entitled to any power in terms of shaping society at your age. No matter how much you think you care about one issue in politics or the world, you don't and probably can't know enough to adopt an educated stance.

-Don't believe that college is a prerequisite for success. It's not even a prerequisite for gainful middle class employment. If you like to work with your hands and enjoy technical pursuits, don't bother with college. It's a waste of your time and money.

-The world is a scary place. Be scared of it.

-The Declaration of Independence may say that you're entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but tell that to the person in the car distracted by a cellphone who doesn't see you when you're crossing the street. Look both ways before whatever you do.
 

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Adults do not exist... The only thing that does exist is responsibility and maturity, which have nothing to do with with the age that can be classified as an "Adult"...

Know the people that will have your back the same way they know that you'll have their back... If it's one-sided, then either make it as even as possible or cut the rope so that the dragon can eat the damn candy already!

Watch the Fast & Furious movies... not [just] because of the whole "family" dynamic, but for entertainment purposes...

Plan your shit... before you throw that shit out and do unplanned shit... At least then you can realized that planning was right/wrong for the given situation...

Don't listen to my advice... I'm honestly not that older than you, anyway...
 

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Never document any crimes you may commit.
Never go anywhere without a designated driver.
The only difference between you and anyone older is perspective.
Insert Tom Hanks Sun will rise quote from Castaway here.
 

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I don't have much honestly. I think there is a dangerous superiority complex people have towards younger people (Then again, I'm 23) that leaves the realm of reasonableness and enters the realm of patronizing. I'm already seeing some of that patronizing attitude here, the usual complaining about supposed apathy and sheep mentality about having no other choice than the college path among other things. These under-21s stand on the shoulders of giants, they have access to knowledge in an unprecedented way. Yes, so do we but as the technology advances, changes, and/or proliferates they get to grow up in it while we don't. One can only hope they grow up with that in an environment and education system that compliments it when it is beneficial and opposes it when it becomes negative. It is because of all that though that I've always believed a much younger person can experience less in a day and learn more from it than a much older person who has had many experiences but has learned little from them. Of course, most people would probably just write those people off as outliers; they're the "wise beyond their years type". That is much easier to do rather than look at the reality of their benefits that allow them to gather so much so quickly and respect and admire them for it.

Age certainly has advantages and most of the time does lead to a more experienced, wiser person in ways the above opportunity can't give (all the more reason to respect that these 2 different generational kinds of experience, wisdom, and knowledge ultimately probably balance out and the younger and older should mutually respect each other). There is certainly advice that can be given from that angle; I just can't think of anything. Sometimes though this gets exaggerated and turns into something that is, AT LEAST, partially disrespectful, but nonetheless is probably usually unintentional. My advice really is for those of us over 21: We need to keep an open mind, realize we can get stuck in your ways and become that person telling kids to get off their lawn, and realize when we push this advice mantra too far. Because I have seen this type of discussion A LOT on this site although it's relatively more respectful than these usually are so good job on that OP.

I seem to remember in certain forum topics, some like this and some very different, that many different users pointed out that they thought adults knew everything about the world and how it works. Then, they became adults and realized they still don't know anything and neither do their parents, teachers, or other seniors now they're old enough to get the full picture out of them. Heck, I thought this was the mantra of forumgoers here for a while (not really). I could argue that's why I indulge in escapism. Wait...

thaluikhain said:
Don't expect a magical fairy to sprinkle adult dust on you and suddenly you know what the hell you are doing and have everything sorted out.

Oh, and while "they" say that high school is the best part of your life, I've never actually met any of "them".
evilthecat said:
* People older than you probably don't have much more figured out than you do.
There they are. Agree with you theluikhain about high school by the way. Frankly, I am glad to have that out of my life.

Other than that there is going to be some conflicting advice. Much of what we have to offer is going to contradict with another person's worldview. We don't all grow older and reach the same conclusions. If you're looking for a discussion of universal advice towards those younger than us you're not going to get much here OP. A lot of what I see so far you can also find all over the Internet in all their platitude-like advice column/opinion piece/commencement speech (SMBC for the win) glory. When I was under 21 I didn't exactly appreciate something so easily replicated and easily interpreted as, again, a patronizing attitude. And, I felt CONSTANTLY disrespected and dismissed when I was younger, some of which I was able to confirm as I got older, some of it paranoia, and so on.

Huh, I suppose there was a degree of advice for under-21s sprinkled throughout this lengthy, wordy abomination (conciseness was never my friend) upon reading it over...Never mind then. Guess I founds some advice to give, even if it is partial repeat of what others have already said here. Thinking about all of that did remind me of relevant observations made by Hank Green though:

 

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LegendaryGamer0 said:
Never let go of your inner child, and have some fun. Go out there hoping and doing for the best but prepare for the worst and to get kicked in the balls/labia.

Then get back up and make life take the lemony ballabiakick back!
FPLOON said:
Adults do not exist... The only thing that does exist is responsibility and maturity, which have nothing to do with with the age that can be classified as an "Adult"...
Between you two, [user]thaluikhain[/user], and [user]evilthecat[/user] maybe my point was already made in a nice, concise manner and I should have just said something about not getting impatient playing The Phantom Pain (I only started playing it recently after buying it for a friend, still don't own it myself, and I am terrible at its style of gameplay) like I do. All well.

Sniper Team 4 said:
Put down the phone and learn how to talk with people. Actually talk with them. [snip]


I get it. Working in retail or fast food is a bummer. I know, I've been through it. But if you cheer up just a bit, try smiling, and just learning how to interact with a live human being instead of through the internet or your phone, you'd be surprised how easier it is to get through the day.
I know people are always saying it, but it's true.
And XKCD had a counter social commentary strip ready for this sort of thing 40 strips ago. Never ceases to amaze me


Don't exactly fit the under 21 part of this, but I do fit the fast food and phone part of this so here goes:

Other than the point XKCD makes, sometimes when I'm on my phone it's because I got an emergency text, message, or call. Though, I try to hide that from customers and do it within what the store policy allows, use it on my break, or go to another room when I can. Or, I'm using my phone to study for school or was anyway since I'm not in school at this very moment (And, yes, while working. I had to at the time). Or, I'm catching up on the latest news or research. Don't look at the moment; think of the big picture. I know it's anecdotal, no more anecdotal than the entire premise of this discussion really though, but every person I've seen accused of lacking the social skills you are talking about never actually lacked them. They got judged for looking at their phone in the moment and it was extrapolated to "all the time, must be". The judges never saw them in the big picture. Besides, interaction online or on your phone is very much like daily interaction and does not negatively impact the latter in anywhere near the capacity people say it does. I even remember a semi-recent study that backs this up. I'll try to find it in the meantime.

Anyway, I currently do work in fast food and I've been doing it for 2 years. I try my best. You're not wrong about why we should do that and how it affects our day. Sometimes I'm dead tired, which affects your disposition and can make you unintentionally seem un-cheery. Sometimes I just break, often from the heavily disorganized and broken communication ritual used by probably all fast food chains. You know the one, right? It's the one that leads to confusing back and forths between a small proportion of customers (who probably weren't making it any easier on their end either a lot of the time) that could have been made much smoother, simpler, and nicer for everyone all around. And, to top it off, if those customers were unreasonably rude or assumptive? They color the rest of your day, they stress you out, they stick despite the overwhelming fine attitude of most customers. This advice is good, don't get me wrong, but just unreasonable at times. We're only human and there has to be a point of acceptance that such disposition happens in the line of business. No matter how hard you try to suppress it for the sake of your well being, your job, and your customers it happens. Believe me, in regards to the customers, I know many don't deserve the attitude much of the time and I do sincerely want to treat them well as their order taker or presenter. By the way, this all goes especially if, while dealing with all the above, those people are on very hard times (Heck, a lot of people who work fast food are and they doubly suffer from a feeling of being stuck there, of being entrenched in a cycle of poverty).

I know it's tempting to take your individual experiences and assume why they're un-cheery by relating it back to what it was like for you. I know it's tempting to generalize. I know it's tempting to see moments and assume that's what they're like all day the same way a manager complains I'm not working because I had to stand and pause for five seconds or zoned out or had to get a closer look at the order screen. I ask you take all this into account before doing any of that. Actually, I find that many people who look at younger people and see them on the phone are committing many of the same fast food errors and assumptions as I listed here. That's just to add to the phone aspect. Basically though, too much sympathy, not enough empathy I feel and that's why people get tired of hearing it. As you said, people are always give this advice and there is a reason why it doesn't get through despite being sound advice. It lacks the understanding and empathy component necessary to function well.