Wait, didn't the Battle of Jakku take place just one year after RotJ? And it essentially destroys the Empire? Sheesh, that's some grade-A incompetence even by Imperial standards.Eacaraxe said:
If I remember the new canon right, especially by that point the Empire was an economic and military paper tiger. They blew their entire wad building the Death Stars, and their best ships and "best and brightest" personnel were lost at Endor. Once the dominoes started falling, they couldn't replenish their own forces fast enough to compete with the Rebellion and nascent New Republic (who were accomplished asymmetric fighters), especially being fractious and reduced to warlord semi-states.Neverhoodian said:
She's a classic Hero(ine). I know fiction these days tends towards anti-heroes, but she's just Luke. Again. The term Mary Sue doesn't mean ANYTHING anymore because people interpret it as "good person who succeeds." Mary Sues are a LOT more than that, and typically just found in bad fan fiction. The only real reason Rey is called a Mary Sue is because she's a girl. Or just go ahead and call Luke a Mary Sue too; you'd be wrong, but you'd at least not appear to be sexist.Zontar said:
Luke was a good pilot, that's about it, in A New Hope. It wasn't until Return of the Jedi, the third of that trilogy, that he became a half decent force user.Kolby Jack said:
I understand that, but the thing is the Empire was already starting to build replacements thirty years prior in the form of the Tie Interceptor. They were supposed to be faster, more maneuverable and more heavily armed. It's not like they were some obscure EU element either; they featured prominently in the Battle of Endor. If you really want to split hairs, the massively OP Tie Defender from Tie Fighter <a href=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_Defender>is part of the new canon. Yet the First Order stubbornly insists on sticking with the basic Tie Fighter design despite upgrading just about everything else in their military. I guess when you're building a planet sized superweapon you have to reallocate funds from something.Ezekiel said:
The comparison of Luke and Rey is one I see often, and it makes me wonder if people remember how much Luke had to overcome in the original trilogy.Kolby Jack said:
Thanks for the info. One of my biggest pet peeves about the movie was that they kept calling the "good guys" the Resistance while also making it seem like the First Order was a rebellion against the dominant governmental body. You're not a resistance if you work for the government. Leave it to JJ not to bother making his plot and it's details make sense.Eacaraxe said:
Silence, person who paid attention, lest they use your knowledge of the movie against you and claim you're a Mary Sue.Hades said:
And you didn't even go into the part where Rey get's knocked the hell out.LifeCharacter said:Indeed, the number of people outright ignoring Luke's accomplishes does make one wonder if they remember what Luke actually did in the original trilogy. I mean, it's stupidly easy to see that a lot of people barely paid any attention to the new movie, but the new movie isn't some decades old trilogy that is a supposed staple of nerdom and sci-fi.Zontar said:
Oh look, a horribly misrepresentative image that downplays every one of Luke's accomplishments and hypes up every last thing Rey did. And you're just throwing it up as if it's even remotely accurate.
Last time I checked, Rey beat up two guys, knew about a single modification that she was involved with installing on the Millenium Falcon that Han had absolutely no fucking way of knowing about, stated that she's flown before but not in space, gets her ass handed to her by a heavily wounded and emotionally distraught Kylo Ren until she gives into the Force, can resist mind probing and manages to trick a weak minded stormtrooper on her third attempt, is trusted by Leia, the leader of the Resistance and Force sensitive, to go find her Jedi brother, speaks several languages like literally every other character in the universe, and has an actual reason why she would be competent at these things considering she lived on a junkyard planet and is a former student of Luke's.
Meanwhile, Luke is the best pilot in the Rebellion who can survive a trench run and Darth Vader simply because he flew some speeder back home, blew up a giant superweapon by giving into the Force allowing him to make a shot no one else was able to make, and has no reason to be the least bit competent at any sort of combat or piloting. But I guess him being put upon makes all his achievements go away.
http://comicbook.com/2016/04/11/daisy-ridley-knows-whose-reys-parents-are-doesnt-think-its-impor/Daisy Ridley said:
Rey's parentage is obviously a plot point going forward in the trilogy, and that's fine to me. I have my personal theory on that matter, in that she's a Skywalker. But she could easily just be "a really talented kid Luke found for his Jedi school, and happened to be the youngest". I'm fine with either scenario, but I do think that narratively, it is more circular to have her be a Skywalker, while Finn is someone else who is strong in the Force, but not of the Skywalker line.AccursedTheory said:And you didn't even go into the part where Rey get's knocked the hell out.LifeCharacter said:Indeed, the number of people outright ignoring Luke's accomplishes does make one wonder if they remember what Luke actually did in the original trilogy. I mean, it's stupidly easy to see that a lot of people barely paid any attention to the new movie, but the new movie isn't some decades old trilogy that is a supposed staple of nerdom and sci-fi.Zontar said:
Oh look, a horribly misrepresentative image that downplays every one of Luke's accomplishments and hypes up every last thing Rey did. And you're just throwing it up as if it's even remotely accurate.
Last time I checked, Rey beat up two guys, knew about a single modification that she was involved with installing on the Millenium Falcon that Han had absolutely no fucking way of knowing about, stated that she's flown before but not in space, gets her ass handed to her by a heavily wounded and emotionally distraught Kylo Ren until she gives into the Force, can resist mind probing and manages to trick a weak minded stormtrooper on her third attempt, is trusted by Leia, the leader of the Resistance and Force sensitive, to go find her Jedi brother, speaks several languages like literally every other character in the universe, and has an actual reason why she would be competent at these things considering she lived on a junkyard planet and is a former student of Luke's.
Meanwhile, Luke is the best pilot in the Rebellion who can survive a trench run and Darth Vader simply because he flew some speeder back home, blew up a giant superweapon by giving into the Force allowing him to make a shot no one else was able to make, and has no reason to be the least bit competent at any sort of combat or piloting. But I guess him being put upon makes all his achievements go away.
Twice.
On topic, however:
http://comicbook.com/2016/04/11/daisy-ridley-knows-whose-reys-parents-are-doesnt-think-its-impor/Daisy Ridley said:
Ridley (Damn, that's awesome to have as a last name) appears to have known about her character's parentage since the beginning of filming Episode 7, and she claims that it's not important to the plot, or that she's related to anyone in the current canon.
Of course, this could all be a smoke screen, but I think this is the biggest piece of evidence anyone's going to get until Episode 9 comes out in theaters.
If I were to have it my way...Happyninja42 said:AccursedTheory said:And you didn't even go into the part where Rey get's knocked the hell out.LifeCharacter said:Indeed, the number of people outright ignoring Luke's accomplishes does make one wonder if they remember what Luke actually did in the original trilogy. I mean, it's stupidly easy to see that a lot of people barely paid any attention to the new movie, but the new movie isn't some decades old trilogy that is a supposed staple of nerdom and sci-fi.Zontar said:
Oh look, a horribly misrepresentative image that downplays every one of Luke's accomplishments and hypes up every last thing Rey did. And you're just throwing it up as if it's even remotely accurate.
Last time I checked, Rey beat up two guys, knew about a single modification that she was involved with installing on the Millenium Falcon that Han had absolutely no fucking way of knowing about, stated that she's flown before but not in space, gets her ass handed to her by a heavily wounded and emotionally distraught Kylo Ren until she gives into the Force, can resist mind probing and manages to trick a weak minded stormtrooper on her third attempt, is trusted by Leia, the leader of the Resistance and Force sensitive, to go find her Jedi brother, speaks several languages like literally every other character in the universe, and has an actual reason why she would be competent at these things considering she lived on a junkyard planet and is a former student of Luke's.
Meanwhile, Luke is the best pilot in the Rebellion who can survive a trench run and Darth Vader simply because he flew some speeder back home, blew up a giant superweapon by giving into the Force allowing him to make a shot no one else was able to make, and has no reason to be the least bit competent at any sort of combat or piloting. But I guess him being put upon makes all his achievements go away.
Twice.
On topic, however:
http://comicbook.com/2016/04/11/daisy-ridley-knows-whose-reys-parents-are-doesnt-think-its-impor/Daisy Ridley said:
Ridley (Damn, that's awesome to have as a last name) appears to have known about her character's parentage since the beginning of filming Episode 7, and she claims that it's not important to the plot, or that she's related to anyone in the current canon.
Of course, this could all be a smoke screen, but I think this is the biggest piece of evidence anyone's going to get until Episode 9 comes out in theaters.
Rey's parentage is obviously a plot point going forward in the trilogy, and that's fine to me. I have my personal theory on that matter, in that she's a Skywalker. But she could easily just be "a really talented kid Luke found for his Jedi school, and happened to be the youngest". I'm fine with either scenario, but I do think that narratively, it is more circular to have her be a Skywalker, while Finn is someone else who is strong in the Force, but not of the Skywalker line.
I'm wondering how you can doubt the memories of others, when you throw this horseshit up.Zontar said:The comparison of Luke and Rey is one I see often, and it makes me wonder if people remember how much Luke had to overcome in the original trilogy.
Hades said:
In fairness, when Finn suggests using the Falcon as an escape vehicle, Rey calls it a piece of junk and thinks it's not worth their time. Someone who knows about the Falcon and it's capabilities would never say that. Now I know it's supposed to be a call back to Luke's line in the original films, but that was used to show his own ignorance and inexperience. Here it just comes off as characterization breaking when she immediately pilots the ship perfectly and repairs it with no difficulty.AccursedTheory said:
Especially since it's about a single part that she herself was involved in installing and Han wouldn't be as familiar with.Hades said:
You're doing a bit of "hyping up" yourself LifeCharacter. Luke isn't shown to be the best pilot in the Rebellion, he only survived the trench run because Han came back and saved his life. He successfully uses the force once, to guide a difficult shot, which is the culmination of his character arc at the end of the first film. The movie does establish that he has experience in shooting ("I used to bulls eye womprats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than 2 metres"), though not actual combat considering he's nearly killed by the sand people and ruffed up in the bar.LifeCharacter said: