Dudes.... Parents get fucking weird about their kids. It's like hormones or something. Sexual discrimination is stupid but so is putting your kid on a plane by himself. <-- even dumber. Regardless of parental responsibilities, Kids are fucking annoying on planes! I would've been glad to move. Who would pay hundreds of dollars to get on a plane just to have to deal with some annoying kid? And who the hell would buy a plane ticket with the express hope that random chance will put them in a seat next to a child for them to molest?! And if it was such a big fucking deal to the guy, he should've just demanded an upgrade.
Airlines asking men to move seats because they might be molesters
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First off who the hell is dumb enough to molest a child on a plane?
Second if we formed rules based on criminal statistics this whole country would be in trouble. No blacks, you can't go into stores because statistically they are more likely to rob the place. No men, you can't drive because statistically your more likely to get into an accident. No women, your not allowed to see your children because statistically your more likely to kill them than men.
Sigh... look you can't keep unaccompanied minors off planes. If the have separated parents who don't have the time or the money to accompany them on the plane then that child never sees their other parent. If its really such a big deal move the kids to the outside seats where people can see them easier.
Second if we formed rules based on criminal statistics this whole country would be in trouble. No blacks, you can't go into stores because statistically they are more likely to rob the place. No men, you can't drive because statistically your more likely to get into an accident. No women, your not allowed to see your children because statistically your more likely to kill them than men.
Sigh... look you can't keep unaccompanied minors off planes. If the have separated parents who don't have the time or the money to accompany them on the plane then that child never sees their other parent. If its really such a big deal move the kids to the outside seats where people can see them easier.
It's probably due more to statistics than "stereotype".Buretsu said:
This does bring up an interesting question though, when is it OK to discriminate based on statistical data and when should it not be.
Hmmm, maybe it's necessary to evaluate this on a case-by-case basis. In the case of insurance, it's fairly harmless - the only victim is the wallet of half of the human population. In the case of "moving men away from children", ... , this could have repercussions in the development of the children and for functioning of society as a whole.
I was just talking with a co-worker, how in my profession (education, elementary level), the pendulum has swung a bit too far against the men in the industry. They wonder why there is a massive gender imbalance in the profession too.
Case 1. If two staff members were attending an overnight excursion with a group of co-ed students then the following combinations of staff gender are acceptable. Female + Female. Male + Female. Two male teachers is considered unacceptable.
Case 2. I had a female student on the sporting team I coach not get picked up after school training. This student lived only a few blocks away. If I were a female teacher, then I could just walk the student home unaccompanied. As a male, I would not even consider doing this. I asked a female colleague to help walk the student home with me.
Case 3. Our school has not had a male Kindergarten teacher for over 20 years. I once indicated I would like the experience from working at the Kindergarten level, but a senior colleague indicated that it wouldn't happen as it would 'raise too many eyebrows' among the community.
As a male in the education industry, we have to be extremely careful. I never have students alone in the classroom. I don't hug students like I see other female colleagues do. Some people are definitely a suspicious about men who work with and around children.
Case 1. If two staff members were attending an overnight excursion with a group of co-ed students then the following combinations of staff gender are acceptable. Female + Female. Male + Female. Two male teachers is considered unacceptable.
Case 2. I had a female student on the sporting team I coach not get picked up after school training. This student lived only a few blocks away. If I were a female teacher, then I could just walk the student home unaccompanied. As a male, I would not even consider doing this. I asked a female colleague to help walk the student home with me.
Case 3. Our school has not had a male Kindergarten teacher for over 20 years. I once indicated I would like the experience from working at the Kindergarten level, but a senior colleague indicated that it wouldn't happen as it would 'raise too many eyebrows' among the community.
As a male in the education industry, we have to be extremely careful. I never have students alone in the classroom. I don't hug students like I see other female colleagues do. Some people are definitely a suspicious about men who work with and around children.
I'm afraid it isn't that simple. I mean what's to say that other children aren't molesters?Asita said:
No. I'm afraid the only solution is to send probes across the far reaches of space with messages of self loathing. We must tell the Universe that we cannot be trusted as a species and that we must be wiped out to prevent us from doing any more damage to eachother. Surely some form of intelligent life will hear our plea, realise our mistakes and learn from us and they will one day come to eliminate humanity as an act of pity and kindness. The only way to solve this is to remove all parts of the problem.
I think this isn't so much an issue of "oh gosh feminists discriminating against men" as it is a concern for the safety of children in the situation taking precedent over other things, in some people's eyes. Women aren't typically thought to be in that same situation (whether these things are actually disparate I think is partly up in the air, since the assumptions made may leave women child molesters from discovery), so you go with what is statistically more secure.
Personally, I think that was an awful way to handle it, though I can understand the concern.
Personally, I think that was an awful way to handle it, though I can understand the concern.
Fixed that for you. Lets not discriminate against feminists for discriminating against men for discriminating against women.Aethren said:
It makes my head hurt.
I think we're all hypocrites to an extent(some more so than others, probably), you can't just limit to feminists. Especially since that term is so vague it's almost nonsensical. There are many types of feminists and most of them are a good thing. It's just the idiots that give them a bad name.
For example, take a look at some of the women in middle east countries. These women are risking death for something as simple as going to school. http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/world/meast/cnnheroes-jan-afghan-school/index.html?iref=allsearch
Feminism is not bad. Bad feminists give it a bad name.
It's a sad thing, I've witnessed this as well (I'm a nursery worker).Don said:
I think one of the things we need to dispell is the thoughts like - `Why would a man even want to work with kids?`
These things usually come from the dads (but can also come from mums) and I have a few theories about why (1, perhaps they don't see it as a `real mans` job and there most be something `up`. 2, The dads I knew who were more iffy about it were the dads who would only pick up the kids like once a week, so they never got to know any of these people. I think if they'd just talked to them, they'd be more okay with it).
In my college when I was studying childcare we had a lot of posters up trying to encourage men into childcare.
Dude argued that he can't tell which ones are wrong'uns so he wouldn't want his kids taken care of by a dude.Dags90 said:
Obviously, I disagree - but I know many parents can be overly protective.
^That guy you quoted is pretty spot on. Also, since nobody important carries an correct opinion about anything and nothing will change for the better, those fuckers should at least be made to apologize to the men for moving seats, maybe offer some small monetary compensation.Eri said:
My sister and I flew alone to see our father several times between the ages of 11 and 15. Any unaccompanied minors are under the watch of airline personnel and cannot enter or leave the plane without them. Theoretically they are also supposed to stop in every once and awhile and check on you.Valanthe said:
People do this stuff all the time and there are plenty of regulations that govern it. Depending on your age, they even let your parent(s) bring your to your gate even though they aren't normally supposed to make it past security without a ticket.
