Aeshi said:
Steve the Pocket said:
martyrdrebel27 said:
if this exact same thing was pulled by EA or Ubisoft, people would be losing their shit. Valve has such blind devotion though, that nobody seems to call them out.
I dunno. If EA or Ubisoft did it, all this stuff would be day-one DLC for a $60 game rather than an update for a game that had been around for eight years, cost only $15 at launch, and has cost nothing for the last few years. Also they wouldn't still be supporting the game eight years later. They wouldn't still be supporting it
one year later. And all of the maps released post-launch would have been sold in packs costing at least $15 each rather than added for free.
You do realize you have basically proved his point there right? He didn't say "If EA or Ubisoft tried to do this, but as a Day 1 DLC instead of a free update then people would be losing their shit." he said "If EA or Ubisoft tried this people would be losing their shit."
As in, "If EA/Ubisoft did this
exact same thing people would be complaining" not "If EA/Ubisoft did a
mildly similar but less altruistic thing, people would be complaining."
What you did just there was basically dodge the accusation/point by going "It'd be ok for me to complain if somebody else did this because they'd actually be doing something else" in order to avoid having to admit to any possible bias.
It's kind of a moot point, though, isn't it, because you're describing a completely impossible scenario. First they'd have to actually
have an eight-year-old game that they'd been supporting with free updates that entire time. They'd also have to have done very little to earn their customers' ire not just in those eight years but in their entire history as a company. So yes, people who are consistently treated like shit year after year are not particularly inclined to just forget about it every time a company does something that's not terrible. I wouldn't even call it holding a grudge because the company would first have to
stop treating them like shit at some point. (Which seems to have worked out for Activision so far; it's been quite a while since I've seen them lumped with EA and Ubisoft.)
But if you insist I attempt to compare apples to oranges, I don't actually think people would be up in arms about this if EA or Ubisoft did it. Because they're already doing stuff worse than this on a regular basis, and we've lost our collective ability to give a shit anymore. We've resigned ourselves to the fact that we have to put up with their antics or avoid buying any of their games. It's only when some company hits a new low, either personally or for the industry as a whole, that the sewage starts to interface with the ventilation. People got plenty upset over Steam's paid mods debacle, for example, and have been going after Konami and WB recently for various unscrupulous things. Making people jump through hoops to get cosmetic items hardly bears mention by comparison. It only matters to people who care more about the items than the game itself, just for a start, and Valve has essentially been expecting people to gamble for them ever since crate keys became a thing.
Did I leave anything out? I suppose if I wanted to be really petty and mean, I could relay what your last paragraph originally said before you ninja-edited it. Oh, yeah, it doesn't update the quote notifications when you do that, FYI, so you might want to be more careful in the future not to say something you'll regret.