All classic disney movies are racist
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In fact, yes they should. You're using a modern day example when the discussion is clearly about the classic Disney toons. The ones that he had full control over.katsa5 said:
Your previous examples were fine, but saying that Walt wasn't an Anti-Semite because a show that was made 40 some years after Walt's death had a character of the Jewish faith in it is totally wrong.
Again. Look.It.Up.
Oh I see, I guess racism depends on how you view it like that is a little rascit or superracistAqualung said:
Oh, there are plenty of Disney characters that we would simply be aghast by today, but that is less a product of Disney himself and more a product of the time in which those particular characters were created. Keep in mind, average joe folks - not Klansmen or nutjobs, but regular citizens - in the US used to be 100% convinced that blacks were born with tails. This is also a society that used to require blacks to eat at separate counters and drink from separate water fountains. So portraying them as buffoons in movies? Well, gosh, what's the big deal?
Now, obviously, we can see what the big deal is, but at the time? Not so much.
Now, obviously, we can see what the big deal is, but at the time? Not so much.
Well, Walt did have a major guilt thing involving his own mother's death and it carried over into the movies. As for the ones he didn't have a part in, I'm guessing the company was just carrying on the tradition...Freakout456 said:
Every single entertainment company back then was vehemently racist. That was the climate then.
Many still are, but just don't admit it.
Many still are, but just don't admit it.
It's obviously just being thought into too much. Most of the movies in question were creating a while back when the United States culture was a completely different thing, and not nearly as sensitive to every little thing. A lot of the stories are also based on classic novels far far before any concept of racism or sexism existed.
It's not racist. It's like those "APPARENTLY" sexual pictures on the MAOAM label, they're just seeing what they want to see.
With this, I agree completely. Yes, by modern standards, the jive talking crows from Dumbo and Uncle Remus are very racist, but those stereotypes were the accepted norm at that time. The same goes for Walt Disney's anti-semitism. During his day, it was accepted. Not AS common as the others, but still a product of the society.Susan Arendt said:
To consider the later Disney works(Referencing Aladdin, Mulan, or Hercules) as racist, however, is like saying any WWII game is racist against Germans.
Point of reference, however. If you see a group of crows speaking asthough they're poorly educated and using a lot of jive and you call racism, are they racist for showing it, or are you racist for labeling it as refering to a certain group of people?
Maybe crows are just poorly educated....
Now now, Aladdin taught us something far more dark and underhanded than garden variety racism. It taught us not to trust people with facial hair. All of the characters with beard (Jafar, Sultan, Genie) had more going on than we were led to believe in the begining.saxist01 said:
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also, those crows in dumbo, they were black, and they talked like a sterotypical black person, pocahontas(sp?) that whole 'savages' bit
there is a TON of racism in disney movies, i'ts just that 'it's a kids film, so it can't be racist' is imbedded in the heads of retarded parents everywhere
