All Men Cheat
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even if what your saying is true *snrrrrrk*JeffBergGold said:
its bad because IT HURTS PEOPLE
now if you were in some kind of situation where it was "open" and everyone knew what they were doing then sure....no ones blaming you for not being monogomous, be polygamous or freinds with benefits or have a harem...whatever
but the fact is if there is an unaware party involved (the other partner) thens its fucking wrong because its lying and being a scum bag
Because a physically fit person can't enjoy video games? This is just laughable bullshit now. Unless you think that all murder comes down to punching? Well if you're frequenting this site then we MUST be of the same physical build and thus I will be able to murder you because I've seen more Jet Li films and just drank a red bull.JeffBergGold said:
At this point I'm starting to believe that you're trolling.
Please link more credible Wikipedia pages to show me how only athletes can commit murder.
Not only immature people have feelings. This is bullshit. I don't even know where to begin.
I agree, I'm not saying be a liar and cheat under the guise of commitment. I'm just promoting that being with more than one person is normal and okay if you choose to do so.Vault101 said:
Probably not, he was just in an emotional rage. Maybe it was his time of the month. I assure you he'll be back once he cools off.AlexWinter said:
Seems reading comprehension is not your strong suite. I never stated that physically fit people can't enjoy video games. I actually know this to be true because I am one.AlexWinter said:
No, but being physically fit is relatively important in all forms of combat. It seems all the video games have caused you to believe that murdering is just something anyone can do at the push of a button.AlexWinter said:
Reading comprehension failure again. I don't even know how to address this.AlexWinter said:
I'm not. The OP asked for varying opinions on cheating. I voiced my particular beliefs and it seems many people who frequent this forum disagree. I was civil the whole time, people with different opinions have been quite hostile though.AlexWinter said:
No, but only immature people get butthurt about their partner being attracted to someone else. You seriously can't believe your partner is attracted to you and no one else on the plane earth.AlexWinter said:
From the first paragraph of the very article you posted:JeffBergGold said:
You're wrong. In this case. I haven't paid attention to anything else that you guys have been arguing about, but pedophilia is ONLY related to sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Anyone calling someone that has sex with a sexually-developed 15 year old a pedophile is flat-out wrong, and this has been pointed out well over a thousand times on this very forum.
As soon as puberty starts, it isn't pedophilia, but hebophilia or ephebophilia, both of which are not abnormal, even if it violates age of consent laws. The attraction is normal in males.
From later in the article:
TL;DR: Attraction to a busty 12 year old is not pedophilia, nor is it abnormal, even if actual sexual activity is immoral/illegal.
I really don't care about the conversation between you two, I just knew this would come up at some point and I'd like to say: just because it's true doesn't mean it has anything to do with this thread.JeffBergGold said:
So humans are designed to procreate with everyone, everywhere, all the time. That's not the point.
When people enter a monogamous relationship, the point is to remain monogamous. The reasons are varied, so I won't get into it. What's important is that the people cheating have broken an oath; A verbal, written or otherwise mutually understood contract between a person and their partner. The terms often vary, but in just about every case the main tenet is that the two people are sexually exclusive. For whatever reason, these people chose to resist, subdue or otherwise rid themselves of their natural desire to procreate with various individuals, in favor of one consistent sexual partner. I'm not saying that monogamy itself is inherently right or wrong, I'm saying that both parties agreed to it and must respect their agreement
My rebuttal dismisses sex drive entirely. Men and Women shouldn't cheat because it's a breach of the contracts they made. If one wants to be free of the constraints of monogamy, more power to them. I hope they find happiness in sexual independence. What I'm saying is that as soon as you enter into a monogamous relationship, you need to stick with it until it's over. That's either death or the willful termination of the contract by one or both parties.
I won't try to tell you monogamy is natural. I won't tell you it's easy. I won't tell you it's right for everyone. I will tell you that it's wrong to breach that self-imposed restriction. If you really must have a justification for that belief, the idea is that if you can't be held to your word, you can't be trusted in any capacity because of the element of doubt that is introduced.
So here it is in order, from most basic element to my rebuttal of your statement:
-If you break a contract, any contract, an element of doubt is introduced in all past, present and future contracts. This makes it much harder to trust you.
-When you enter into a monogamous relationship, you've chosen to be sexually exclusive with someone. This is your agreement, your contract.
-Having sex with a third party is a violation of your agreement.
-You cannot be trusted, as per point 1.
If you don't want to be monogamous, don't enter into monogamy in the first place, work out some alternative partnership in which you are not sexually exclusive, or call up your significant other and tell them that your contract is terminated. All three of those things free you up to indulge your natural instincts without being the least bit wrong.
The chick the OP mentioned is an asshole, because she's decided she's going to go around willfully breaking contracts, upsetting people and messing with their moral compasses. For one partner, there's a feeling of betrayal, and for the other, there's roughly a 50-50 shot that they feel remorse they'll never truly rid themselves of. It's not wrong for her to have sex with whoever she wants, as long as she's single. What makes her an asshole is the fact that she's actively seeking out men who are already contracted to someone else, and breaks those contracts up. She could have sex with ANYONE and she chooses to have sex exclusively with people who are not supposed to have sex with her. The cheating men are assholes too, in the same way that anyone who cheats on anything or betrays any kind of romantic or platonic partnership is an asshole. People who break contracts suck, whether they're your sexual partner or they're your partner in crime and they shot you and took all the cash. She's the bigger asshole because she breaks a contract she has no part in, to the detriment to both parties. One is emotionally wounded, and the other is left unfit to be trusted. She just moves right on to the next couple, spreading the misery and probably disease.
Wow... That is a depressing attitude to have on that person's part, Colour Scientist.
I find her philosophy pretty fucking galling, to be honest...
I was once in a long distance with a girl in the USA as well, and as horribly lonely as the nights were without her, I only wanted to curl up with her.
What can I say, I'm too much of a romantic.
I think anyone that finds themselves cheating on someone they supposedly care about needs to have a good long look at their relationship, and really question whether they're genuinely happy or not.
I find that girl's belief insulting, reprehensible and just downright malicious.
I also find that guy's actions to be 100% spineless and stupid beyond belief. We all get lonely, and that's a pain I know only too well- but one of the first things you learn about long distance is not to put yourself in the situation where you'll get drunk and do something you regret.
Like kidnapping a midget clown.
I can never go back to Barcelona....
Fair play to you for posting this up, Colour Scientist.
I'm sure there are plenty dirt bag men who view women in a similarly horrible light.
I find her philosophy pretty fucking galling, to be honest...
I was once in a long distance with a girl in the USA as well, and as horribly lonely as the nights were without her, I only wanted to curl up with her.
What can I say, I'm too much of a romantic.
I think anyone that finds themselves cheating on someone they supposedly care about needs to have a good long look at their relationship, and really question whether they're genuinely happy or not.
I find that girl's belief insulting, reprehensible and just downright malicious.
I also find that guy's actions to be 100% spineless and stupid beyond belief. We all get lonely, and that's a pain I know only too well- but one of the first things you learn about long distance is not to put yourself in the situation where you'll get drunk and do something you regret.
Like kidnapping a midget clown.
I can never go back to Barcelona....
Fair play to you for posting this up, Colour Scientist.
I'm sure there are plenty dirt bag men who view women in a similarly horrible light.
I completely agree with you from the contractual standpoint. I'm not promoting cheating when you've professed commitment. I'm just stating that there is nothing wrong with playing the field.INF1NIT3 D00M said:
I'll admit it, I cheated. I USED THE KONAMI CODE!
But it's not like cheating is uncommon, Plankton's at it as well.
Also, I may be a little late to the discussion but...
But it's not like cheating is uncommon, Plankton's at it as well.
Also, I may be a little late to the discussion but...
You mean, looking to encourage people to break their contracts? There may not be anything necessarily wrong from an objective viewpoint, but it certainly can have consequences for you and them, in terms of people getting angry with you.JeffBergGold said:
There's nothing wrong with people deciding you're an untrustworthy individual who doesn't respect marriage vows or other people's contracts either and taking not-illegal measures to castigate you..
Hah me too XDerttheking said:
But if I was ever not single, then I'm fairly certain I wouldn't cheat, as sex just isn't really that important to me.
i have however been with someone who was in a relationship (I didn't know until we were in bed)
not something I'd care to repeat, though apparently they broke up the next day.
that said, all my friends cheat on their girlfriends,
went on a thailand trip with them one christmas / new years
every night from when we arrived to when we left, they had hookers.
(while having girlfriends at the time)
(Sorry, quoted the wrong post)
Thats when things are going well.MortisLegio said:
Think instead what you would do in a relationship thats all dead, except the break up.
I had much the same attitude as you, but by the end of my last relationship, well I never cheated. Never had the opportunity to, so I don't know.
A good number of men cheat. Not all. I say this as a male myself. I haven't cheated on anyone - I've never been in a relationship, so that's pretty much impossible.
But yeah, judging by how other 20 something males act around me, it's not a stretch to say that most of them would cheat if given the opportunity. I know more than a few who have, and almost seem proud of it.
Women also cheat. I don't know if they cheat more or less than men.
But yeah, judging by how other 20 something males act around me, it's not a stretch to say that most of them would cheat if given the opportunity. I know more than a few who have, and almost seem proud of it.
Women also cheat. I don't know if they cheat more or less than men.
someonehairy-ish said:
Not only would I probably feel pretty shitty about it under most circumstances, it's almost certainly a test.
Unfortunately I'm a terrible person and frequently think about sleeping with my best mates girlfriend and/or stealing her away from him. However, I would NEVER act upon it. My friendship with the both of them is far too important and I wouldn't want to do anything that could potentially cause either of them sadness, so that is so far into the forbidden zone it's not even worth entertaining the notion. I have a naughty brain though...
Nearest I got to cheating was when my psycho ex girlfriend (when we were going out) told me to stop talking to/texting "That girl"
"That girl" was my coursemate, and we were talking/texting about a group project we were working on. I even showed my ex the texts, and she still wanted me to stop. I mean, what the hell?
"That girl" was my coursemate, and we were talking/texting about a group project we were working on. I even showed my ex the texts, and she still wanted me to stop. I mean, what the hell?
You've kind of already addressed this a little with the talk about contracts, but I feel it still needs to be commented on directly.JeffBergGold said:
Cheating has nothing really to do with being monogamous or non-monogamous - there are plenty of people out there in polygamous, polyamorous, swinger, etc relationships.
Not being monogamous simply means you are interested in sex with other people. Cheating means youre a coward who is willing to hurt somebody else for your own temporary satisfaction, instead of being honest and telling your partner about your feelings/desires. (Generic "you", not you specifically)
Its not complicated to be non-monogamous without cheating. It just involves not being a selfish, shameful person... Either break up with the person or tell them you want a non-exclusive relationship, then go have sex with whoever you want.