Alleged harassment, threats of doxxing, hitpiece journalism, 'fake' gamer girls... Oh my!

[Satinavian]

Never understood why immature insults are supposed to be part of competitive online gaming.

They certainly were not part of any online gaming activity or community i ever took part in. But then i don't do shooters which is, as i understood, at least where this teabagging nonsense comes from.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

We aren't going to see Esports at the olympics until we're sure one of the competitors isn't chomping at the bit to scream slurs or teabag an opponent in front of a worldwide audience.

Pretty sure there're a thousand more reasons why we're not going to see Esports at the Olympics any time soon.

I mean is it even fair to call gaming a sport?

Nah.
Sports measure skill between opponents. People dedicate entire lives to hone them.
Competitive games require some skill for sure but it doesn't take long to develop it. There's never been a single multiplayer game where I don't luck out in the first couple of tries and kill a maxed-out player who's been at it for weeks/months/years.
(Which cues the nasty messages)

Just because you killed someone who's been at it for ''weeks/months/years'' in a pub game doesn't mean anything, play against someone who's actually made it to the pro-circuits and you'll see what a night and day difference it is. People dedicate their lives to these games as well, playing one certain game for at least 8 hours a day and getting better and better, to say it doesn't take long to develop a real skill for a game is bs.

How can you dedicate your life to a game that's only been around for a few years?
Pro-gamers weren't practicing Overwatch 10 years ago, they were playing Magic the Gathering and watching the Dark Knight.
and in 2 or 3 years there will be another FPS game that 'pro-gamers' would have spent their whole lives training with.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

Never understood why immature insults are supposed to be part of competitive online gaming.

They certainly were not part of any online gaming activity or community i ever took part in. But then i don't do shooters which is, as i understood, at least where this teabagging nonsense comes from.

Oh come on, are people seriously offended by teabagging? Jesus Christ.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Never understood why immature insults are supposed to be part of competitive online gaming.

They certainly were not part of any online gaming activity or community i ever took part in. But then i don't do shooters which is, as i understood, at least where this teabagging nonsense comes from.

Oh come on, are people seriously offended by teabagging? Jesus Christ.

No, but it is fucking tacky

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

We aren't going to see Esports at the olympics until we're sure one of the competitors isn't chomping at the bit to scream slurs or teabag an opponent in front of a worldwide audience.

Pretty sure there're a thousand more reasons why we're not going to see Esports at the Olympics any time soon.

I mean is it even fair to call gaming a sport?

Nah.
Sports measure skill between opponents. People dedicate entire lives to hone them.
Competitive games require some skill for sure but it doesn't take long to develop it. There's never been a single multiplayer game where I don't luck out in the first couple of tries and kill a maxed-out player who's been at it for weeks/months/years.
(Which cues the nasty messages)

Just because you killed someone who's been at it for ''weeks/months/years'' in a pub game doesn't mean anything, play against someone who's actually made it to the pro-circuits and you'll see what a night and day difference it is. People dedicate their lives to these games as well, playing one certain game for at least 8 hours a day and getting better and better, to say it doesn't take long to develop a real skill for a game is bs.

How can you dedicate your life to a game that's only been around for a few years?
Pro-gamers weren't practicing Overwatch 10 years ago, they were playing Magic the Gathering and watching the Dark Knight.
and in 2 or 3 years there will be another FPS game that 'pro-gamers' would have spent their whole lives training with.

Skills transfer between games. I don't play shooters but with fighters, as long as you learn the fundamentals completely and learn how to go about absorbing the elements of the game in one game you're instantly better than 90% of players in all games just due to that. Not gonna say that you wouldn't be better if you had been playing the same one game for all this time but to think that every beginner in a new game starts on the same footing is very misguided.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Trash talk (that tbagging is a facet of) is a way of having fun and camaraderie to some. To others it's a way of angering your foe so they'll play worse and so on. Some people are genuinely sadists about it but I don't think most people use it in order to genuinely make anyone upset and are just messing around. .


Personally, I'm always polite and will only reciprocate trash talk if someone else initiates it against me and only if they're somewhere around my skill level so that I won't be confused for showing off or bullying some salty newb for no reason, but it's still fun when that happens once in a while so I get why people would do it.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

honestly heres my take

the end goal of e-athletes is to eventually be treated like real athletes

real athletes hold themselves to a higher standard and do not overtly taunt or trash talk

therefore e-athletes should hold themselves to that standard as well

you wanna be treated like adults? act like it

I'm sure some athletes do and then get criticized for it or obtain a "bad boy" image and what have you.

But yeah I don't see any value to any type of boastful behavior. I just consider my own opinion of people as being dumbasses as a sufficient penalty for peoples' behavior and don't see a point to doing anything beyond that. It helps since if I happen to be wrong I won't be supporting something that's actually incredibly unpopular just cause of my personal feelings, too.

I think people will organically fail if they're that unpleasant without the need for anyone's help.

 

[Majestic Manatee_v1legacy]

honestly heres my take

the end goal of e-athletes is to eventually be treated like real athletes

real athletes hold themselves to a higher standard and do not overtly taunt or trash talk

therefore e-athletes should hold themselves to that standard as well

you wanna be treated like adults? act like it

That was and is my opinion on this matter. Professional behaviour is expected and respected in professional profession. It's a tiny bit sad that there are those so insistent on their right to act like a child in what they claim is a professional activity. No one is offended by seeing grown people embarrass themselves like spoilt toddlers, they're only drawing pity and disappointment.

 

[McElroy]

Never understood why immature insults are supposed to be part of competitive online gaming.

They certainly were not part of any online gaming activity or community i ever took part in. But then i don't do shooters which is, as i understood, at least where this teabagging nonsense comes from.

Oh come on, are people seriously offended by teabagging? Jesus Christ.

I mean, as a taunt that supposed to tilt your opponent..isn't offending the point?

are we now surprised offending taunts are offensive? are we that defensive about this?

this is the final hill?

teabagging?

People keep bringing it up. There were a couple of teabags in the first season of OWL IIRC, just a couple, nobody cares. Somebody who would say "why can't they just be good sports about it?" upon learning about taunting in games most likely doesn't understand competitive gaming in general. It's true that some esports brands want even those kind of people on board, and thus stupidity -- taunting included -- must be kept low. However, the main problem is, and will be for the foreseeable future, the games: OW is hard to follow, LoL too, Dota 2 hard as hell to follow. On the other hand, synchronized swimming is hard to follow, so is dressage. It's also almost embarrassing to watch indoor cycling or race walking, and the 1500 metre freestyle.

honestly heres my take

the end goal of e-athletes is to eventually be treated like real athletes

I hope that this is not the case. I think it's the corporations who would want this.

 

[CaitSeith]

honestly heres my take

the end goal of e-athletes is to eventually be treated like real athletes

I hope that this is not the case. I think it's the corporations who would want this.

If that were the case, teabagging would had been removed long ago from the game itself.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

We aren't going to see Esports at the olympics until we're sure one of the competitors isn't chomping at the bit to scream slurs or teabag an opponent in front of a worldwide audience.

Pretty sure there're a thousand more reasons why we're not going to see Esports at the Olympics any time soon.

I mean is it even fair to call gaming a sport?

Nah.
Sports measure skill between opponents. People dedicate entire lives to hone them.
Competitive games require some skill for sure but it doesn't take long to develop it. There's never been a single multiplayer game where I don't luck out in the first couple of tries and kill a maxed-out player who's been at it for weeks/months/years.
(Which cues the nasty messages)

Just because you killed someone who's been at it for ''weeks/months/years'' in a pub game doesn't mean anything, play against someone who's actually made it to the pro-circuits and you'll see what a night and day difference it is. People dedicate their lives to these games as well, playing one certain game for at least 8 hours a day and getting better and better, to say it doesn't take long to develop a real skill for a game is bs.

How can you dedicate your life to a game that's only been around for a few years?
Pro-gamers weren't practicing Overwatch 10 years ago, they were playing Magic the Gathering and watching the Dark Knight.
and in 2 or 3 years there will be another FPS game that 'pro-gamers' would have spent their whole lives training with.

Skills transfer between games. I don't play shooters but with fighters, as long as you learn the fundamentals completely and learn how to go about absorbing the elements of the game in one game you're instantly better than 90% of players in all games just due to that. Not gonna say that you wouldn't be better if you had been playing the same one game for all this time but to think that every beginner in a new game starts on the same footing is very misguided.

With fighting games my experience has been the opposite of that. Tekken, Dead or Alive, Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, King of Fighters, Mortal Kombat to name a few play very differently to each other. Reflex would be transferable but the muscle memory would be a bastard.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

Never understood why immature insults are supposed to be part of competitive online gaming.

They certainly were not part of any online gaming activity or community i ever took part in. But then i don't do shooters which is, as i understood, at least where this teabagging nonsense comes from.

Oh come on, are people seriously offended by teabagging? Jesus Christ.

No, but it is fucking tacky

Who cares? People taunt each other in literally every sport ALL THE TIME. No one cares, the players don't care, the viewers don't care. This is the first time I've ever heard people having such big issues with teabagging.

We aren't going to see Esports at the olympics until we're sure one of the competitors isn't chomping at the bit to scream slurs or teabag an opponent in front of a worldwide audience.

Pretty sure there're a thousand more reasons why we're not going to see Esports at the Olympics any time soon.

I mean is it even fair to call gaming a sport?

Nah.
Sports measure skill between opponents. People dedicate entire lives to hone them.
Competitive games require some skill for sure but it doesn't take long to develop it. There's never been a single multiplayer game where I don't luck out in the first couple of tries and kill a maxed-out player who's been at it for weeks/months/years.
(Which cues the nasty messages)

Just because you killed someone who's been at it for ''weeks/months/years'' in a pub game doesn't mean anything, play against someone who's actually made it to the pro-circuits and you'll see what a night and day difference it is. People dedicate their lives to these games as well, playing one certain game for at least 8 hours a day and getting better and better, to say it doesn't take long to develop a real skill for a game is bs.

How can you dedicate your life to a game that's only been around for a few years?
Pro-gamers weren't practicing Overwatch 10 years ago, they were playing Magic the Gathering and watching the Dark Knight.
and in 2 or 3 years there will be another FPS game that 'pro-gamers' would have spent their whole lives training with.

For an example, there is plenty of CSGO pro's today that played CS1.6 15 years ago. You don't know what these players did 10 years ago, just because some pros are playing a game released 3 years ago doesn't mean they've never touched a FPS before or that they won't be playing for 10 more years whether it's the same game or different but similar one. These people play these games like it's their full time jobs (And then some) and then there are plenty of moments where they go to tournaments and spend 80% of their time practicing/competing, and you don't call that dedicating their lives?

Never understood why immature insults are supposed to be part of competitive online gaming.

They certainly were not part of any online gaming activity or community i ever took part in. But then i don't do shooters which is, as i understood, at least where this teabagging nonsense comes from.

Oh come on, are people seriously offended by teabagging? Jesus Christ.

I mean, as a taunt that supposed to tilt your opponent..isn't offending the point?

are we now surprised offending taunts are offensive? are we that defensive about this?

this is the final hill?

teabagging?

It's to throw them off their game, just like in every sport. Being teabagged is a minor annoyance, being taunted is a minor annoyance. Are we suggesting making taunting punishable because there might be 1 guy out there who's so thin skinned he's mentally scarred by being teabagged?

No one is offended by seeing grown people embarrass themselves like spoilt toddlers, they're only drawing pity and disappointment.

Then let them, I'm sure they'll survive without those people who never had an interest in esport and never will in the first place.

You guys act like this is something exclusive to esport, have you guys ever participated or watched any other sports ever?

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

We aren't going to see Esports at the olympics until we're sure one of the competitors isn't chomping at the bit to scream slurs or teabag an opponent in front of a worldwide audience.

Pretty sure there're a thousand more reasons why we're not going to see Esports at the Olympics any time soon.

I mean is it even fair to call gaming a sport?

Nah.
Sports measure skill between opponents. People dedicate entire lives to hone them.
Competitive games require some skill for sure but it doesn't take long to develop it. There's never been a single multiplayer game where I don't luck out in the first couple of tries and kill a maxed-out player who's been at it for weeks/months/years.
(Which cues the nasty messages)

Just because you killed someone who's been at it for ''weeks/months/years'' in a pub game doesn't mean anything, play against someone who's actually made it to the pro-circuits and you'll see what a night and day difference it is.

No doubt about it. But in the world of gaming, the gap between "dedicated" and "casual" is minuscule compared to the one in actual sports. Being good at a game simply isn't that amazing. The game determines what you can and cannot do, you just need to discover the limit. In sports, the idea is that athletes are continuously pushing the limits of their skill.

Mastering a game is easier than an actual sport. It doesn't require as much time or effort. They're written in such a way that anybody can do it. It's right there in the code. I can boot a game I've never played before, go on to a public server and beat people who're technically better than me, who've been playing the same game for years. But I can't go on to a a boxing ring and land a single punch against anyone who actually knows how to fight.

Also to this day people have to be asked to stop putting their scrotums into opponents' mouths. What the fuck.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

No doubt about it. But in the world of gaming, the gap between "dedicated" and "casual" is minuscule compared to the one in actual sports. Being good at a game simply isn't that amazing. The game determines what you can and cannot do, you just need to discover the limit. In sports, the idea is that athletes are continuously pushing the limits of their skill.

Mastering a game is easier than an actual sport. It doesn't require as much time or effort. They're written in such a way that anybody can do it. It's right there in the code. I can boot a game I've never played before, go on to a public server and beat people who're technically better than me, who've been playing the same game for years. But I can't go on to a a boxing ring and land a single punch against anyone who actually knows how to fight.

Also to this day people have to be asked to stop putting their scrotums into opponents' mouths. What the fuck.

It's not minuscule at all. People get better and pushes their limits in pro-gaming as well, other sports determines what you can and cannot do, too.

No not anyone can master a game and no not anyone can be the next HeatoN or the next JW. Some people are just not as good as others and never will be, if you can beat someone who's been playing a game for years in your first game then they never were that good at the game and that's why they're playing pub-games. How are they technically better than you if you can win against them? Because they've played longer than you? Because they have better stats in public games?

And I can guarantee you that I could beat someone who never played a video game before too without him winning a round.

They're not putting their scrotum in other peoples mouths, they are crouching up and down over a dead body in a VIDEO GAME. Oh this guy just sawed you in half but him crouching over you is crossing the line alright.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

No doubt about it. But in the world of gaming, the gap between "dedicated" and "casual" is minuscule compared to the one in actual sports. Being good at a game simply isn't that amazing. The game determines what you can and cannot do, you just need to discover the limit. In sports, the idea is that athletes are continuously pushing the limits of their skill.

Mastering a game is easier than an actual sport. It doesn't require as much time or effort. They're written in such a way that anybody can do it. It's right there in the code. I can boot a game I've never played before, go on to a public server and beat people who're technically better than me, who've been playing the same game for years. But I can't go on to a a boxing ring and land a single punch against anyone who actually knows how to fight.

Also to this day people have to be asked to stop putting their scrotums into opponents' mouths. What the fuck.

It's not minuscule at all. People get better and pushes their limits in pro-gaming as well, other sports determines what you can and cannot do, too.

Again, yes, do something over and over and you're probably going to get better at it. Goes for everything. But sports require a lifetime trajectory and dedication that games simply don't. Most olympic sports have been around in some shape or form for hundreds of years if not millennia. In the scheme of history competitive gaming is a fad. And most of them become irrelevant in a relatively short amount of time anyway.

No not anyone can master a game and no not anyone can be the next HeatoN or the next JW. Some people are just not as good as others and never will be, if you can beat someone who's been playing a game for years in your first game then they never were that good at the game and that's why they're playing pub-games. How are they technically better than you if you can win against them?

I already told you. Mastering a game isn't that hard. They're made so that anybody can do it if they really want to.

Because they've played longer than you? Because they have better stats in public games?

Jesus dude it's not a leper colony. It's the equivalent of a friendly match in a park or some court. Assuming you've never played either, you have better odds of success playing a videogame for the first time than joining a sports match of any kind.

They're not putting their scrotum in other peoples mouths, they are crouching up and down over a dead body in a VIDEO GAME. Oh this guy just sawed you in half but him crouching over you is crossing the line alright.

I'm about to blow your mind, Baby Farts, but the representation of gross is still gross.
And not in good sportsmanship.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

Again, yes, do something over and over and you're probably going to get better at it. Goes for everything. But sports require a lifetime trajectory and dedication that games simply don't. Most olympic sports have been around in some shape or form for hundreds of years if not millennia. In the scheme of history competitive gaming is a fad. And most of them become irrelevant in a relatively short amount of time anyway.

Yes of course you're gonna get better the more you play, doesn't mean you'll be good though, everyone has a ceiling when it comes to every sport. Competitive gaming is relatively new yes, compared to olympic sports. It's growing exponentially though, but I'm not expecting it to join the olympics any time soon and I don't even care if it does.

I already told you. Mastering a game isn't that hard. They're made so that anybody can do it if they really want to.

And I already told you no.

Jesus dude it's not a leper colony. It's the equivalent of a friendly match in a park or some court. Assuming you've never played either, you have better odds of success playing a videogame for the first time than joining a sports match of any kind.

You really have no idea how bad people are at video games if they've never played one before.

I'm about to blow your mind, Baby Farts, but the representation of gross is still gross.
And not in good sportsmanship.

Give me a break lmao, you're playing games where you're violently killing each other but doing a representation of putting your sack on someone is too gross?

Bad sportsmanship? No one cares that much about teabagging, literally no one cares, except you people who don't even watch esports so again, no one cares.

But of course

 

[WindKnight]

I'm about to blow your mind, Baby Farts, but the representation of gross is still gross.
And not in good sportsmanship.

Give me a break lmao, you're playing games where you're violently killing each other but doing a representation of putting your sack on someone is too gross?

Bad sportsmanship? No one cares that much about teabagging, literally no one cares, except you people who don't even watch esports so again, no one cares.

But of course

To follow on from my earlier point, explain to your friends and family who do not game what teabagging is, and what it represents, and how you think it's okay, then let us all know how they all reacted. Precisely, how loud their cries of 'WHAT THE F*** IS WRONG WITH YOU?' were.

Move outside the gaming bubble and truly think about how this comes across to people outside the culture, and maybe realise that hey, its not painting the best picture for people that gamers thinks its ok to do something gross and shitty as a 'humiliation' move to an opponent. Consider the punishment someone playing an actual sport would face for pulling similar humiliation stunts on the playing field.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

To follow on from my earlier point, explain to your friends and family who do not game what teabagging is, and what it represents, and how you think it's okay, then let us all know how they all reacted. Precisely, how loud their cries of 'WHAT THE F*** IS WRONG WITH YOU?' were.

Move outside the gaming bubble and truly think about how this comes across to people outside the culture, and maybe realise that hey, its not painting the best picture for people that gamers thinks its ok to do something gross and shitty as a 'humiliation' move to an opponent. Consider the punishment someone playing an actual sport would face for pulling similar humiliation stunts on the playing field.

You really think that would be their reactions? How sheltered and thin-skinned are your parents if that's how they react to something so trivial? If I told my family what teabagging was (A taunt you do within the game by crouching up and down over your opponent, like a tbag motion) I can guarantee you that their reaction would be ''Oh, okay'' and maybe even laugh about it. They have been buying video games for over a decade and have seen far worse things, actual game mechanics, that you can do in video games than fucking teabagging someone.

Also people who don't play games is just that, they don't play games and they very rarely have reasonable or positive opinions about them. Let us talk about games with executions, how are they better and any less ''humiliating''? In Gears of War 4 I can rip off an enemy's arm and hit him with it until he is dead, is that better than teabagging someone? How would your parents react if you told them you can execute people like that in a game you're playing? Should people who have no interest in video games like your parents be able to decide how gaming culture should be, how games are programmed and how we should act?

Maybe you should move in the gaming bubble instead of acting like an outraged Christian mother in her 40's. You're comparing an action in a video game to an action IN REAL LIFE, they are two different things, maybe you're the one who should move out of the gaming bubble after all. They're video games, not real life, maybe you being unable to tell the difference between the two is the real problem here.

 

[meiam]

To follow on from my earlier point, explain to your friends and family who do not game what teabagging is, and what it represents, and how you think it's okay, then let us all know how they all reacted. Precisely, how loud their cries of 'WHAT THE F*** IS WRONG WITH YOU?' were.

Move outside the gaming bubble and truly think about how this comes across to people outside the culture, and maybe realise that hey, its not painting the best picture for people that gamers thinks its ok to do something gross and shitty as a 'humiliation' move to an opponent. Consider the punishment someone playing an actual sport would face for pulling similar humiliation stunts on the playing field.

That's so easy to say about so many sports traditions. "So when people win, they grab a lot of very expensive champagne, worth over thousands of dollar in some case, and then break it and spray it all over each others" is incredibly stupid, but it's part of the sports traditions. Of course it makes no sense outside context. You could even say that the reason why people do these things is exactly because of how crazy it sounds to outsider, it's a way to reaffirm your belonging to a specific group of people, with traditions.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

We aren't going to see Esports at the olympics until we're sure one of the competitors isn't chomping at the bit to scream slurs or teabag an opponent in front of a worldwide audience.

Pretty sure there're a thousand more reasons why we're not going to see Esports at the Olympics any time soon.

I mean is it even fair to call gaming a sport?

Nah.
Sports measure skill between opponents. People dedicate entire lives to hone them.
Competitive games require some skill for sure but it doesn't take long to develop it. There's never been a single multiplayer game where I don't luck out in the first couple of tries and kill a maxed-out player who's been at it for weeks/months/years.
(Which cues the nasty messages)

Just because you killed someone who's been at it for ''weeks/months/years'' in a pub game doesn't mean anything, play against someone who's actually made it to the pro-circuits and you'll see what a night and day difference it is. People dedicate their lives to these games as well, playing one certain game for at least 8 hours a day and getting better and better, to say it doesn't take long to develop a real skill for a game is bs.

How can you dedicate your life to a game that's only been around for a few years?
Pro-gamers weren't practicing Overwatch 10 years ago, they were playing Magic the Gathering and watching the Dark Knight.
and in 2 or 3 years there will be another FPS game that 'pro-gamers' would have spent their whole lives training with.

Skills transfer between games. I don't play shooters but with fighters, as long as you learn the fundamentals completely and learn how to go about absorbing the elements of the game in one game you're instantly better than 90% of players in all games just due to that. Not gonna say that you wouldn't be better if you had been playing the same one game for all this time but to think that every beginner in a new game starts on the same footing is very misguided.

With fighting games my experience has been the opposite of that. Tekken, Dead or Alive, Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, King of Fighters, Mortal Kombat to name a few play very differently to each other. Reflex would be transferable but the muscle memory would be a bastard.

Those are kind of a missmatch of genres of fighters. Strictly speaking there's 3 core ones, 2D, 3D and platformer fighter. Skills transfer but only between games belonging to the same genre of fighter and playing other fighters is literally like playing a completely different genre of game.


There is also a sub-split between 2D fighters that is governed by air mobility options and air blocking options, with the more mobile games (airdashers) like Blazblue/Guilty Gear/Dragonball fighterZ sharing fundamentals among them while the more slow paced simplistic ones like street fighter or killer instinct sharing fundamentals among them. Though, despite that, there are a lot of fundamentals still shared between all 2D fighters styles, way more than there are between them and 3D or platform ones anyhow.