Amazing Spider-Man Ends With Issue #700
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As someone who hasn't paid much attention to the Spider-man comics for a very long time, all I have to say is
"Wait what?"
"Wait what?"
This is pretty dead accurate.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
I think the main problem here is the permanency. Peter Parker is DEAD now. I know comics love to pull insane resurrections, but HOW DO YOU back out of this one?
I have no problem with someone who chooses to stop watching all television based on one show. Why would that be an issue for me?matthew_lane said:
I enjoyed pretty much every marvel show on television in the 90s after which I grew out of it. It's not a super hero thing, I just found the comic depressing as a kid who grew up watching the show. I now find out Peter actually died and that solidified my feeling of justification for not investing myself in the comic version.Vault101 said:
As for other comics, they looked impenetrable, I didn't know where to start and lost interest.
As I stated above, I have no problem with someone who chooses to stop watching/playing something based on a small selection of said media. I wouldn't take them seriously if they tried to influence my own enjoyment of said media but if they merely stated why they didn't get into it, that just gives me a view of that person's taste.
its because (to put it bluntly) they are being stupid,its one thing to sample some media and decide its not for you, its another thing to bash somthing out ignorance-Dragmire- said:
you cant say such infamatory things like "fuck comics!" and not expect people to react...especially when your just plain wrong
ContextVault101 said:
My initial story stated I was a young kid who liked the Spiderman show. My expectations were perhaps misguided but I expected the comic to have the same tone. They didn't and I remember distinctly saying "fuck comics". If what I said as a child offends you, I apologize. It doesn't seem necessary to me but there you go.-Dragmire- said:
I never stated an argument. The line F comics that seems to rile people up was a line I spoke as a kid in reference to how I felt after looking into a comic of a hero I held in high esteem and finding out it held a tone far deviated from the show. Not sure why that's such a sensitive thing for you, I didn't misinform anyone. Anyone interested in comics can read that I'm not speaking from an authoritative position on the topic and likely it won't influence them one way or the other.matthew_lane said:
It was just a story about my childhood that I was reminded of because of this news.
That and hearing Parker's dead now indicates to me that the tone of the comic didn't shift much and I likely wouldn't have enjoyed reading how he got this way.
At one point I was given a comic that had Spiderman, Hulk and... someone else I can't remember, I don't think I recognized him. That comic looked interesting but at that point, my interest in comics subsided.Vault101 said:
When I initially typed my post of my young self, I had intended for it to just be a humorous story of a silly child. No hostilities were intended.
I'll keep this exchange in mind for future posts.
I do not regret not getting into comics based on my experience as a child and this news of where the series went.matthew_lane said:
Due to not having an interest in comics growing up, I continue to not have an interest now.
I am not saying "fuck comics" now, people enjoy them and that's fine.
I did say "f comics" in my past and it was part of the story I told.
If you interpret my lack of interest in getting into comics now as "f comics" that's you reading too far into what I said.
I see someone at Marvel has mentally suppressed the fallout from the whole clone-thing... How long did Steve Rogers stay dead the last time, three months? My bet is Parker will stay dead even shorter than him...
DC had that whole semi-reboot with the New 52, and I did enjoy it a LOT (for the most part, I mean, other than helspont, Wildstorm people are just not working well in the traditional DC scenario), I understand however that a lot of people didn't like it, but mostly those are the people who have followed DC for AGES, unlike me, who only followed Batman. However Batman is the single one who "sorta had a reboot but in some matters didn't", and also the one most agree is still pretty good, I'm for the first time enjoying Wonder Woman, Justice League, and many others, but that's because now I had a "full access" to those characters. Sorry to bring up the New 52, but the truth is, Marvel Now is their own New 52, it's a "reboot but not quite".
Marvel Now, did something better than DC, their reboot is actually a continuation of events that redefine most of the universe's premises, Cyclop's a villain, Spider Man is "Octopus" etc. But man did their quality FALL! I recently spent 60 dollars into the omnibus for Avengers vs X-Men, I waited for it on purpose, I had read House of M, those three sagas about Hope, and well, was waiting for a compilation of the big tale that would deliver me the final consequences regarding Hope. this was the big event, the one that spawned the Marvel Now initiative... Boy, was I disappointed abut it, the main story is weak, and those side stories are like fight rounds in an arcade game. It was VERY VERY bad in my opinion. And the stuff I've read from Marvel Now (not much: Uncanny Avengers, All New X-Men, Thunderbolts) is simply awful.
So far, I'll stick with the New 52, at least the essence there is still alive and well (in most parts, granted, I recently went through various first issues to begin other series, and did come by some awful creations such as the World's Finest and ughhh The Ravagers...)
Marvel Now, did something better than DC, their reboot is actually a continuation of events that redefine most of the universe's premises, Cyclop's a villain, Spider Man is "Octopus" etc. But man did their quality FALL! I recently spent 60 dollars into the omnibus for Avengers vs X-Men, I waited for it on purpose, I had read House of M, those three sagas about Hope, and well, was waiting for a compilation of the big tale that would deliver me the final consequences regarding Hope. this was the big event, the one that spawned the Marvel Now initiative... Boy, was I disappointed abut it, the main story is weak, and those side stories are like fight rounds in an arcade game. It was VERY VERY bad in my opinion. And the stuff I've read from Marvel Now (not much: Uncanny Avengers, All New X-Men, Thunderbolts) is simply awful.
So far, I'll stick with the New 52, at least the essence there is still alive and well (in most parts, granted, I recently went through various first issues to begin other series, and did come by some awful creations such as the World's Finest and ughhh The Ravagers...)
You wonder if they had come up with a few hundred story lines years ago and are now just scraping the bottom of the barrel. You wonder why they didnt just let Doc Ock die and do something with him? Or maybe have both Doc and Peter in same body with both fighting over it or have Doc as an inner voice type thing influencing Peter like he is a split personality. 
I suspect I am not the only person to voice this opinion, but let us give it a go shall we?
The only shame about this is that the amazing spider man didn't end 700 issues ago.
I hate spiderman. Plus, this is just going to turn into "Super Spiderman" or "Zombie Spiderman", I am nearly certain a web chrysalis will be involved that will rejuvenate Peter Parker.
The only shame about this is that the amazing spider man didn't end 700 issues ago.
I hate spiderman. Plus, this is just going to turn into "Super Spiderman" or "Zombie Spiderman", I am nearly certain a web chrysalis will be involved that will rejuvenate Peter Parker.
It's why this phenomenon is called, as TVTropes put it, "Running The Asylum". It seems like Quesada is still at least partly to blame, as he believed that if Peter wasn't de-married and dating again, he would "grow old and die off". It seems like at least part of that philosophy rubbed off on Slott - as soon as OMD ended, he basically got 86'd so that a guy who planned to destroy the Earth could sleep with his wife and assume his identity.FargoDog said:
The Spider-Man franchise has seen a lot of crappy stories in the last decade. Mary-Jane supposedly dying in a plane crash. "Sins Past" (Gwen slept with Norman Osborn). "The Other" (Peter dies and gets reborn so he can have organic web-shooters). Ben's death being May's fault. The "Trouble" miniseries (before it was awkwardly shoe-horned into the Ultimate Universe). The whole Mary Sue plotline with Carlie Cooper.
I'd wager even money that they retcon it within a year. I never believed that, as of 2012, both Peter's would be killed off in the Marvel Universe.
1. Yes, but it was made as a setup FOR One More Day. It still doesn't really excuse that May said Peter should let her go and it being MJ that got shot would have had a much more powerful effect.OrokuSaki said:
2. Dr. Strange let him go on this magical plane that let him visit all the aforementioned people at once and probably a lot more people judging by the panel layout. And Dr. Strange really didn't give any "natural order" lines as far as I remember, I seem to remember him saying he simply didn't have the power to heal her.
4. Ok fair enough, I was willing to chock that one up to a character speaking rather than the writer.
5. Final issue of One More Day, we see Peter raise a glass at Harry's birthday party and you can see the mechanical webshooters under his sleeve.
also, one I didn't mention: How can Mafisto do this? Has he always had the power to bend space and time, and if so why hasn't he done it before? Further, time travel/altering in the Marvel universe creates a parallel timeline and universe, so in that process we're not even supposed to be following universe 616 any more, but this was brushed under the rug.
Honestly, I love Spidey and the fact that this is what Amazing ended with is really sad for me. Sure, I know for a fact that this will go back to normal in 6 months, but it still sucks. I read and $8 comic and was at least hoping for it to be good. But it wasn't. I swear, it feels like Marvel just hates Peter Parker.
OK, I'll bite..
Keep Peter Parker (the actual Peter Parker, the persona) dead, and I'll respect that.
If Spider-Man is supposed to be part morality-play (or other such parallel of lessons in real life), then you have room to work with without hitting a massive Retcon Button (like OMD, which everyone else has brought up).
The important part is to not bring the actual Peter Parker back in any way. No clones. No magical personality hacks from his latent memory that lets him take over. No time travel. None of that. Just don't do it.
Not because he's a bad character, but because he's a good character*, his loss will actually have meaning going forward. Death and loss is something we have to cope with in real life, and if part of the point of the Spider-Man experience is to convey real-life meanings, this is a good way to introduce that because WE CARE ABOUT THE CHARACTER.
Death has little meaning when you off random people for shock value.
But it has even less meaning when you bring characters back from the dead for the sake of sales or popularity.
And this isn't a new problem; even Cervantes had to put up with that when writing Don Quixote, and I find his response to still be the most appropriate and poignant of all.
*(even if I don't personally like the character of Peter Parker, I do respect what they try to do with him)
Keep Peter Parker (the actual Peter Parker, the persona) dead, and I'll respect that.
If Spider-Man is supposed to be part morality-play (or other such parallel of lessons in real life), then you have room to work with without hitting a massive Retcon Button (like OMD, which everyone else has brought up).
The important part is to not bring the actual Peter Parker back in any way. No clones. No magical personality hacks from his latent memory that lets him take over. No time travel. None of that. Just don't do it.
Not because he's a bad character, but because he's a good character*, his loss will actually have meaning going forward. Death and loss is something we have to cope with in real life, and if part of the point of the Spider-Man experience is to convey real-life meanings, this is a good way to introduce that because WE CARE ABOUT THE CHARACTER.
Death has little meaning when you off random people for shock value.
But it has even less meaning when you bring characters back from the dead for the sake of sales or popularity.
And this isn't a new problem; even Cervantes had to put up with that when writing Don Quixote, and I find his response to still be the most appropriate and poignant of all.
*(even if I don't personally like the character of Peter Parker, I do respect what they try to do with him)