AMD to nVidia: Put Up or Shut Up

[dragongit]

As long as they don't run games that have PhysX, those are directly designed for nVidia cards and require seperate processing for outside cards. So no Metro 2033.

Really PhsyX is nVidias gimic to their card. Perhaps without it, theyw ill either run relativly the same, or even ATI may come out on top. I currently own an ATI card 5850, which apparently runs faster on its own without PhysX as its compeditor, the GTX 460.

 

[TheMadJack]

AMD can suck gonads all day long.

They were caught cheating by tweaking their drivers for all those benchmark software and now they want us to believe they've cleaned-up their act, became honest to goodness, no cheating we swear, hardware developer/device drivers coders?

Ha!

The sad thing is I used to love AMD/ATI back when they were Canadians. But my love for them diminished at the speed of their failed drivers, which is to say, faster than light. Since then I've turned my back on them. I only laugh when I hear their name. Cheaters, manipulators and bloated device drivers writers is what they have become. I couldn't care less for the speed their hardware is going at. Chances are, they've found a new way to fix the results. Even if their hardware is faster, 1) what's 3 FPS more really? 2) Cheats and lies are things I won't accept from friends, do you really think I'll accept that from "strangers".

You both (nVidia AND ATI back in the day) broke my trust once and I forgave you, but ATI continued their little scheming behind closed doors. ATI, you won't ever have the opportunity to play with me a third time.

Err, these are third-party benchmark results we're talking about here, not in-house testing. And FYI, both AMD and Nvidia drives blow donkey nuts.

I know what benchmarks are.

ATI wrote special tweakings in the drivers when they detected certain benchmark software were running. What those "tweakings" did was change settings on the fly to push their results higher. nVidia discovered that scheme but kept its mouth shut until it was discovered and made public by another third party. At which point, they disclosed their findings.

 

[Natdaprat]

We need the Guinness World Record guys here pronto! Oh, what's that? They don't bother with technology because it CHANGES EVERY FEW WEEKS?! Bullshit.

 

[Cyrax987]

Who really cares? I mean until the consoles get updated to the newer version like Xbox 720, were not going to see graphical enhancements on the PC. Consoles are holding back what any of these GPUs can really do because every game on the PC is Multi-Platform pretty much. I will say yes we still get higher graphics on those games with like Direct X 11 but nothing major like what these developers spout about their graphics card.

The GTX 580 alone is way above the current generation graphics but here we are using it for games such as Call of Duty Black Ops. The rivalry is nice to have but seriously? I'll stick to my GTX 460 considering it runs everything on high still because graphics won't go anywhere till we get a new damn console to handle it.

 

[graverobber2]

not pointless, tbh:
the more competition between those two, the better for us ^^

 

[Retardinator]

So what the hell does this mean if you can run most games well on a 4-year-old graphics card?
Or if you feel the need to max out everything, a year-old will suffice?

 

[Joshimodo]

Pfft. I'm faster than both of them.

 

[Antwerp Caveman]

http://tweakers.net/reviews/2069/5/strijd-der-titanen-gtx-590-versus-hd-6990-3dmark-11-vantage-en-unigine.html

dutch site but the benchmarks on their testsystem are perfectly readable)

Yeah!! Big TV ad battle

 

[marioandsonic]

SHOTS HAVE BEEN FIRED

 

[sulld1]

Ace i love stuff like this, should be good to see how it plays out and yeah, we as the customers win overall... more graphics for us!

 

[CosmicCommander]

Better question- who is willing to pay £500 for some tech that only marginally performs better (in real terms) over it's apparently "outdated" predecessors?

Nvidia and AMD are getting nervous- graphics on the PC are plateauing, and people are moving over to consoles, depriving them of a big money milker. So they just treat every card as if it's revolutionary, despite no real person being able to notice or care about any difference.

PS: Who the fuck does SLI or that Crossfire thing, anyway? Why would you need 2 cards, unless your monitor was the size of a shed?

 

[Wicky_42]

Lol, it's about time we had some decent drama in the industry

 

[antipunt]

catfights and fights at school, I can do without.

But fights like -this-? *grabs popcorn*

 

[Wolfram23]

The 590 is a flop. They're literally blowing up.


They're blowing up even at stock settings
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforo.noticias3d.com%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowpost.php%3Fp%3D3960849%26postcount%3D352%27

The newest Nvidia driver actually drops the clocks even further, so it's nowhere as fast as a 6990.

 

[Sebenko]

But but but... I'm stuck on a laptop at the moment, so I can't upgrade!

 

[deleted_by_strongbad]

I like how they are both strutting and knocking each other over what is pretty much just two of their old cards stuck together. Wow, way to push the envelope and develop something new, neither one has the right to brag about repackaging already released product, and the fact that it took them so long to do it. Both of these cards are scams, the only people who will use that power would get more out of a quadro/firepro.

They can debate on who has the best card when they both put out a new line of cards, my guess is they both ran into some delay with their upcoming generations not living up to the hype and are trying to create a smokescreen while they either try to revamp their next series or create enough corporate love that few will care.

 

[Zer_]

AMD can suck gonads all day long.

They were caught cheating by tweaking their drivers for all those benchmark software and now they want us to believe they've cleaned-up their act, became honest to goodness, no cheating we swear, hardware developer/device drivers coders?

Ha!

The sad thing is I used to love AMD/ATI back when they were Canadians. But my love for them diminished at the speed of their failed drivers, which is to say, faster than light. Since then I've turned my back on them. I only laugh when I hear their name. Cheaters, manipulators and bloated device drivers writers is what they have become. I couldn't care less for the speed their hardware is going at. Chances are, they've found a new way to fix the results. Even if their hardware is faster, 1) what's 3 FPS more really? 2) Cheats and lies are things I won't accept from friends, do you really think I'll accept that from "strangers".

You both (nVidia AND ATI back in the day) broke my trust once and I forgave you, but ATI continued their little scheming behind closed doors. ATI, you won't ever have the opportunity to play with me a third time.

Err, these are third-party benchmark results we're talking about here, not in-house testing. And FYI, both AMD and Nvidia drives blow donkey nuts.

I know what benchmarks are.

ATI wrote special tweakings in the drivers when they detected certain benchmark software were running. What those "tweakings" did was change settings on the fly to push their results higher. nVidia discovered that scheme but kept its mouth shut until it was discovered and made public by another third party. At which point, they disclosed their findings.

That news is like, 5 years old.

And I refute your argument with this:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/03/24/asus_geforce_gtx_590_video_card_review/3

HardOCP has already given us some apples to apples benchmarks between the two cards, and overall the 6990 comes out on top.

 

[RA92]

Next, some close-ranged combat between AMD and Intel!

 

[Vigormortis]

Better question- who is willing to pay £500 for some tech that only marginally performs better (in real terms) over it's apparently "outdated" predecessors?

Nvidia and AMD are getting nervous- graphics on the PC are plateauing, and people are moving over to consoles, depriving them of a big money milker. So they just treat every card as if it's revolutionary, despite no real person being able to notice or care about any difference.

PS: Who the fuck does SLI or that Crossfire thing, anyway? Why would you need 2 cards, unless your monitor was the size of a shed?

For starters, these cards aren't "marginal" increases in performance over their predecessors. These things are absolute beasts.

Second, graphics are NOT plateauing. Not by a long shot. Besides, these cards do more than just "prettier" rendering. Having dual GPUs, they actually handle multiple screens, some physics interations, among other things. Also, how can you say PC graphical capabilities plateauing is causing people to move to consoles? Especially when one considers consoles are running hardware that's more than 6 years old. I truly fail to see the logic in that statement.

Lastly, I run Crossfire. As do quite a few people I know. I do it for a number of reasons. Firstly, for a combined price lower than that of cards supposedly twice as good as mine, I can Crossfire two cards and get more than double the performance. Secondly, with two cards handling the graphical end of my system, I can run my system at much lower temps while still increasing performance. And finally, I run two cards because it allows me to display images to multiple monitors AND TVs at the same time without having to hinder my systems performance.

Just because you don't understand the reasoning behind something, doesn't mean it can just be discounted off-hand.

 

[newwiseman]

Better question- who is willing to pay £500 for some tech that only marginally performs better (in real terms) over it's apparently "outdated" predecessors?

Nvidia and AMD are getting nervous- graphics on the PC are plateauing, and people are moving over to consoles, depriving them of a big money milker. So they just treat every card as if it's revolutionary, despite no real person being able to notice or care about any difference.

PS: Who the fuck does SLI or that Crossfire thing, anyway? Why would you need 2 cards, unless your monitor was the size of a shed?

Toms hardware recently did a multi card build test comparison that showed AMD scaled better and had much lower power consumption as it scaled. The test single card through 3 card configurations using the newest i7 processor to eliminate processor chocking.

To answer your question about multi card builds. I do High polycount 3d models and more video processing can cut render time from 5 hours a frame to 4 hours. Crossfire over SLI since it will use the MBs integrated memory as well as the connected cards.

Multi Card builds are also suited for anyone that needs High Res over multiple monitors.