An increasingly ordered world

[Mechsoap]

really? in Europe its much different but alas, its Europe

 

[Thaius]

Actually, you don't have it quite right. We live in a world ruled by the concept of entropy (in everything but the Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang, for some reason), meaning everything will descend from order to chaos unless there is intercession by something or someone with intent and capability to bring order. So really what's happening is that, as the world spins into chaos around us, we keep making attempts to stop and even correct the downward spiral. However, our attempts are typically not enough, yet at the same time they are too much. They restrict those who are minimally contributing to the chaos without effectively stopping the chaotic actions of those more responsible. Thus, you are seeing our attempts to bring this downward spiral under control, but our world is hardly "increasingly ordered."

 

[Rofl-Mayo]

What happened to "land of the free?" Lol.

 

[burningdragoon]

Hell we already have bags of nuts saying "warning: contains nuts." I mean...fuck.

But are there nuts?

Seriously though I agree with you guys for the most part. Well, I like a little structure and all on some things, but not to a huge extent.

 

[Dags90]

People have been kvetching about this very topic since at least the early 70's* as far as I'm aware. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes back to prehistory as a topic of much kvetching, possibly joining the ranks of "young kids nowadays is rude" and "women are bitches, I need to get laid."

*Source:

 

[Layz92]

I don't see how having a sign that warns about a steep hill is restricting people.

Many of the laws are looking out for people as a whole.
Your actions can have devastating consequences for many people, not just yourself, and laws try to avoid those consequences.

You don't have to be breaking a law to live Differently or Dangerously.
Just be yourself and make up your mind to enjoy life.

The examples I gave were not meant to be examples of repression but a representation of the general upsweep in rules and legalities being put on everything. It is the whole overbearing package that I consider the repressive element not the individual signs and court cases. I understand the purpose of laws and I believe in government, I am not advocating anarchy here. I am simply a bit unsettled by the lengths people have to go to not be caught out by some bylaw or another. A little relaxing of the governmental leash would be appreciated is all.

As for the examples you gave in however, they are pretty irrelevant. The concert thing is mainly artists issue. If you go for some indie/underground gig you will see such stuff going on, you will see the artist actually interacting with the fans on more personal level than simple shout outs to no one specific.

The steep hill sign actually has it's use because it gives you the angle of the hill.

The last bit about assault, well that's very American really.With all respect you tend to have really odd law interpretation every now and then.

As for the examples I gave, redirect your attention to the previous guy I answered please. The thing with the band was more a flavour text for what first motivated me to make a thread. I am aware that a bunch of bands still allow that sought of activity. It just seems it is a lot less wide spread outside of indie clubs now. Also the sign was just a picture of a car on a steep hill, no actual useful info was given and the hill wasn't around a sharp corner (for example) for you to be surprised by it. The American thing still worried me because some governments look to America for a role model. Also I do try and be more active and try and bring people up short for various political and social issues they are talking about without prior thought. I try but it is hard to find the loop, to get in it, to be updated on upcoming protests etc.

Actually, you don't have it quite right. We live in a world ruled by the concept of entropy (in everything but the Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang, for some reason), meaning everything will descend from order to chaos unless there is intercession by something or someone with intent and capability to bring order. So really what's happening is that, as the world spins into chaos around us, we keep making attempts to stop and even correct the downward spiral. However, our attempts are typically not enough, yet at the same time they are too much. They restrict those who are minimally contributing to the chaos without effectively stopping the chaotic actions of those more responsible. Thus, you are seeing our attempts to bring this downward spiral under control, but our world is hardly "increasingly ordered."

That is a fair and reasonable statement. I am talking about casual day to day life though. Going for walks, using a stapler and so on, I am also aware however that some areas outside of traditional "western living" are woefully mismanaged and brutal. All I can say for those other areas of the world are that they are insane and that is putting it politely. However I would still argue there is cause to be disgruntled, that this misdirected control you speak of directed at standard everyday people is offensive.

 

[Thaius]

Actually, you don't have it quite right. We live in a world ruled by the concept of entropy (in everything but the Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang, for some reason), meaning everything will descend from order to chaos unless there is intercession by something or someone with intent and capability to bring order. So really what's happening is that, as the world spins into chaos around us, we keep making attempts to stop and even correct the downward spiral. However, our attempts are typically not enough, yet at the same time they are too much. They restrict those who are minimally contributing to the chaos without effectively stopping the chaotic actions of those more responsible. Thus, you are seeing our attempts to bring this downward spiral under control, but our world is hardly "increasingly ordered."

That is a fair and reasonable statement. I am talking about casual day to day life though. Going for walks, using a stapler and so on, I am also aware however that some areas outside of traditional "western living" are woefully mismanaged and brutal. All I can say for those other areas of the world are that they are insane and that is putting it politely. However I would still argue there is cause to be disgruntled, that this misdirected control you speak of directed at standard everyday people is offensive.

I would completely agree. I apologize, I may have been a bit nit-picky about your statement. I'm an English major: it's what I'm trained to do.

It's ridiculous how much we trip ourselves up in an attempt to stop the downward spiral of entropy. One person abuses a privilege, and we make a law that restricts everyone, both the guilty minority and the innocent majority, from using said privilege to its full potential. It's stupid, really.

For that matter, we refuse to change. You'd think, for instance, that when digital storage, communication, and commerce is created and rises to widespread use within the span of 20 years, we'd try to adjust copyright laws as necessary to be more compatible with this change. Instead we try to enforce them as they are, and they are simply not compatible with these new changes.

So in the end, you are right. It's pretty ridiculous how much we try to order everything, to the point that we end up holding ourselves back. I'm absolutely not recommending we go all Rapture on our society, but we could do without a few particular laws...

 

[zfactor]

He who gives up freedom for security gets neither.

I'd rather have idiots hurting themselves with knives than knives be banned outright, for example.

It's actually:

He who gives up a little liberty to gain a little security, deserves neither, and will lose both.

Ben Franklin