No it wouldn't. That would just be oranised government on a smaller scale.derelix said:Communities deciding what's best for the community, that would be anarchy.
Post above yours makes a good point. Anarchy almost always results in chaos, people are not ruled and therefore do anything they desire, whether it be raping, killing or simply keeping to themselves, at the end of the day, nothing gets done, humanity doesn't progress and we're sent spiralling back to stone age tribalism.derelix said:Um....what?Daystar Clarion said:I laugh at anarchy. It's a contradiction in itself. You can't 'organise' an anarchic takeover without becoming a massive hypocrite. True anarchy is chaos, complete and utter chaos.
Your a kid, are you not? No offense, that was just a kids version of anarchy. Anarchy has nothing to do with being against organization, it's usually just against a government that is too powerful.
Communities deciding what's best for the community, that would be anarchy.
It's not about chaos and destruction and murder like people seem to think.
BTW, your comment "I laugh at anarchy" is pretty silly when you have proven that your view of anarchy is the stereotype we are fed by television and angsty kids.
Or by parents, cultural perspective, definitions in different languages (If you believe in to the idea of "Language defines reality as it is")derelix said:Um....what?Daystar Clarion said:I laugh at anarchy. It's a contradiction in itself. You can't 'organise' an anarchic takeover without becoming a massive hypocrite. True anarchy is chaos, complete and utter chaos.
Your a kid, are you not? No offense, that was just a kids version of anarchy. Anarchy has nothing to do with being against organization, it's usually just against a government that is too powerful.
Communities deciding what's best for the community, that would be anarchy.
It's not about chaos and destruction and murder like people seem to think.
BTW, your comment "I laugh at anarchy" is pretty silly when you have proven that your view of anarchy is the stereotype we are fed by television and angsty kids.
It's not that they're against organisation, they just don't think that the current form of government works. Don't confuse the words 'anarchy' and 'Anarchism;' they're not exactly the same.Daystar Clarion said:That's where it falls flat on its face. If anarchy is the individual, how could anything get done if another individual disagrees with you? It seems more libertarian to me, "I can do what ever I want as long as it doesn't bother anyone else." A group of individuals would still need to organise and someone is bound to disagree with a decision and we end up back at democracy again, whereby the majority decide.Geekosaurus said:I'm not an anarchist, so I can't argue their theories. However I think their main argument is that, despite our government being an elected democracy, it doesn't give a voice to the ordinary person. And besides, a government only 'represents' the people who voted for it; what about the people that voted for the opposition?Daystar Clarion said:A government... that is elected by the people. How hard would it be to get anything done otherwise.Geekosaurus said:I think that's a synonym for the word 'anarchy.' The Anarchist movement believes in giving power to people, rather than an elected government.Daystar Clarion said:I laugh at anarchy. It's a contradiction in itself. You can't 'organise' an anarchic takeover without becoming a massive hypocrite. True anarchy is chaos, complete and utter chaos.
Like I said, I'm not an anarchist; I just thought I'd point out the difference between actual anarchists and synonyms of the word.
Ay! You know what he meant. We address people based on the veracity of their argument, not the quality of thier spelling.No One Jones said:Never heard of a higherarchy.Ampersand said:Who said there would be countries?Daystar Clarion said:Not really, anarchy can only really work on a small scale, it could never run a country, there's just too much stuff to deal with without some sort of structured higherarchy.Zeithri said:I am. I'll leave it at that.
Wrong.Daystar Clarion said:I laugh at anarchy. It's a contradiction in itself. You can't 'organise' an anarchic takeover without becoming a massive hypocrite. True anarchy is chaos, complete and utter chaos.![]()
As caveman stupid as it sounds. It's the communities fault for not killing the crazy fools off. That's the reason I like the IDEA of Anarchy. You get to handle your problems directly. Only problem is if you get handled as well.TheNarrator said:What did people do during that in-between period? They decided that this would be a good time to loot warehouses and publically humiliate or murder anyone who was remotely suspected of collaboration, without even a chance of fair trial. Sure, not everyone acted like that, but the point is that without a system to prevent and/or punish crime, only a few people actually can fuck it up for the rest of the community. There are always people who will do whatever they can get away with, and anarchy allows them to get away with anything.
There are nations and countries, but no states.No One Jones said:In anarchism, there are no countries.
I would argue that a genuine anarchist should be striving for harmony and understanding, not chaos.Zeithri said:Well I won't argue on that. We humans are stupid after all.Daystar Clarion said:Not really, anarchy can only really work on a small scale, it could never run a country, there's just too much stuff to deal with without some sort of structured higherarchy.Zeithri said:I am. I'll leave it at that.
Wrong.Daystar Clarion said:I laugh at anarchy. It's a contradiction in itself. You can't 'organise' an anarchic takeover without becoming a massive hypocrite. True anarchy is chaos, complete and utter chaos.
But when you said that Anarchy is nothing but Chaos, that's where I utter wrong because it isn't.
I suppose it can be considered CHAOTIC but if anything, it lies within the neutrality field.
People don't need rules. There's morality for that. People don't go around killing people because it's against the law, but rather because they feel that it is not right. Well, the majority anyway.LifeCharacter said:Yes anarchy does mean without masters, but without any form of government there are no established rules other than what the individual has decided for themselves.
I think I've come across as hating anarchy, which I don't. In an ideal world anarchy would work, as would communism, but human as we are, there are people who are not satisfied with working with others on an equal level, it could succeed from a sociological standpoint, but from an evolutionary standpoint, people want to be better than other people. It could work, but only in a parralel universe where human sociology developed differently.derelix said:Right, and why do you believe that?Daystar Clarion said:Post above yours makes a good point. Anarchy almost always results in chaos, people are not ruled and therefore do anything they desire, whether it be raping, killing or simply keeping to themselves, at the end of the day, nothing gets done, humanity doesn't progress and we're sent spiralling back to stone age tribalism.derelix said:Um....what?Daystar Clarion said:I laugh at anarchy. It's a contradiction in itself. You can't 'organise' an anarchic takeover without becoming a massive hypocrite. True anarchy is chaos, complete and utter chaos.
Your a kid, are you not? No offense, that was just a kids version of anarchy. Anarchy has nothing to do with being against organization, it's usually just against a government that is too powerful.
Communities deciding what's best for the community, that would be anarchy.
It's not about chaos and destruction and murder like people seem to think.
BTW, your comment "I laugh at anarchy" is pretty silly when you have proven that your view of anarchy is the stereotype we are fed by television and angsty kids.
Maybe we get fed that on tv but I don't buy it. The world isn't filled with serial killers and rapists, most of us are appalled by these acts being committed on helpless people.
Believe me, we would keep order.
Tribalism? Really? First of all, what's so bad about that? Oh that's right, they didn't have tv and the internet to entertain themselves all day.
I get your point but I would rather live gathering food for my people, a group that I can respect, rather than working every day for a corporation I hate just so I can eventually reach my breaking point and blow my brains out or rot my brain out with idiotic television. Call me crazy, I guess I like tribalism.
Of course things can go bad, but things could also go good. We could start from the beginning and rebuild society again, one that values human life over gold and one that doesn't see a slaughter as another statistic or news report to be ignored.
Yes the "sociopaths" of the world could organize (unlikely but it has happened before) and enslave us and force us to follow their rules, but we already have that. It's called a government.
Anarchy in general really has no real downside for me. Sure I would probably die (I have no delusions about the kind of person I am, I'm part of the feeble nerd generation) but if I do, I would die happy and free.
I would rather be killed in my prime in a moment of intense violence than work all my life only to get a break if I make it to 60 (or whatever they're changing it too) so I can slowly die in my own filth.
I don't think so. Who would define where the borders are?Danny Ocean said:There are nations and countries, but no states.No One Jones said:In anarchism, there are no countries.
That, to me, is the best part of anarchy. I geuss some would call it vigilantism (did I spell that right?). People work out their problems on their own and no one else gets involved. But like most of the people here have said anarchy has about as much chance of working as communismJacobistheshiz said:As caveman stupid as it sounds. It's the communities fault for not killing the crazy fools off. That's the reason I like the IDEA of Anarchy. You get to handle your problems directly. Only problem is if you get handled as well.TheNarrator said:What did people do during that in-between period? They decided that this would be a good time to loot warehouses and publically humiliate or murder anyone who was remotely suspected of collaboration, without even a chance of fair trial. Sure, not everyone acted like that, but the point is that without a system to prevent and/or punish crime, only a few people actually can fuck it up for the rest of the community. There are always people who will do whatever they can get away with, and anarchy allows them to get away with anything.
but what if it wasn't organised? if we just didn't need laws anymore? is that any less anarchical in nature than a revolutionary approach?Daystar Clarion said:I laugh at anarchy. It's a contradiction in itself. You can't 'organise' an anarchic takeover without becoming a massive hypocrite. True anarchy is chaos, complete and utter chaos.
I stand corrected, thank you.Danny Ocean said:There are nations and countries, but no states.No One Jones said:In anarchism, there are no countries.
By the way, it's funny how killing for personal reasons (not that I would condone it) is seen as wrong and society will call you evil. But work for the government, you're given a gun, told where to point it and kill as many people as you want and society will call you a fucking hero. Morality changes when it suits the government.Dezmond said:People don't need rules. There's morality for that. People don't go around killing people because it's against the law, but rather because they feel that it is not right. Well, the majority anyway.LifeCharacter said:Yes anarchy does mean without masters, but without any form of government there are no established rules other than what the individual has decided for themselves.
Evidently.Ampersand said:Ay! You know what he meant. We address people based on the veracity of their argument, not the quality of thier spelling.No One Jones said:Never heard of a higherarchy.Ampersand said:Who said there would be countries?Daystar Clarion said:Not really, anarchy can only really work on a small scale, it could never run a country, there's just too much stuff to deal with without some sort of structured higherarchy.Zeithri said:I am. I'll leave it at that.
Wrong.Daystar Clarion said:I laugh at anarchy. It's a contradiction in itself. You can't 'organise' an anarchic takeover without becoming a massive hypocrite. True anarchy is chaos, complete and utter chaos.![]()