Angry Cat Traps Family In Bedroom, Forces 911 Call

[Bara_no_Hime]

So a cat hunting prey is being a dick? No. Cats play with their prey instinctively as practice and to keep in shape so that when they do need to hunt for food they can actually pull it off. Those 50% that they kill but don't eat are so that they can actually catch the other 50% they do. That's also strawmanning me, I'm referring to how they act towards humans when I said that, and cats are certainly not aggressive towards humans for no reason.

Cats are also willfully cruel to their pray, not just catching and killing, but torturing said prey. Did you actually read the link I included?

Anyway, that said, I love cats. I own one. She's right over there stalking a beetle that snuck in earlier.

However, I also recognize that cats are cruel, sadistic motherfuckers, and that abuse is not the only explanation for the events described by the OP.

I have a toddler (20 months old). My cat has scratched my kid before. Sometimes my kid deserved it. Sometimes my kid did not and my cat was just being an asshole. My cat got punished (a claw trimming and no post-trim treat) after the later.

You can love cats and recognize that they are assholes. That's part of their adorably evil charm.

 

[immortalfrieza]

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Didn't need to, I have seen said statistics before and as I said, for them it's a training regimen. Since even feral cats spend somewhere between 18-20 hours a day sleeping they have to get a workout somehow or they will lose the ability to get food.

Just because you don't know why your cat attacked your kids doesn't mean they don't have a reason. Maybe it's assuming that THIS time your kids are going to do something to deserve a scratching so your cat did a preemptive strike, maybe your kids have been messing with the cat when you haven't been seeing it, maybe it's as simple as the kid has been petting it for too long and the cat wanted it to stop or just wanted to get some sleep, maybe the cat decided it's playtime and decided the kids were the toys, who knows? All I do know for sure is that that it has a legitimate reason and it has nothing to do with just being an asshole, that is always the case.

The reason I love cats so much is because I recognize that they are never assholes to anyone, any aggression on their part is deserved.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

and this lads and gents is why dogs>cats


dogs are mans best friend, they dont trap people in bedrooms, they bring you the newspaper, play fetch and ruin the carpet forever

Too bad the dogs that mauled babies didn't get the memo. Unless of course they ruin he carpet forever with baby blood.

Or the Pitbulls.
Or the Rottweilers.

Or any other violent dogs.

I'm sure if you told the parents of those dead babies, things will be all better! I mean, who can resist a tasty baby? Dip them in barbeque sauce and you got some baby back ribs right there.

oh boy, i knew i shouldve sent everyone in the forum the "im not being serious" memo, but now its too late, you brought dead babies to the table, and now nobody can stop looking at the pile of dead babies in the room

i hope you are happy twinkie

 

[immortalfrieza]

and this lads and gents is why dogs>cats


dogs are mans best friend, they dont trap people in bedrooms, they bring you the newspaper, play fetch and ruin the carpet forever

Too bad the dogs that mauled babies didn't get the memo. Unless of course they ruin he carpet forever with baby blood.

Or the Pitbulls.
Or the Rottweilers.

Or any other violent dogs.

I'm sure if you told the parents of those dead babies, things will be all better! I mean, who can resist a tasty baby? Dip them in barbeque sauce and you got some baby back ribs right there.

oh boy, i knew i shouldve sent everyone in the forum the "im not being serious" memo, but now its too late, you brought dead babies to the table, and now nobody can stop looking at the pile of dead babies in the room

i hope you are happy twinkie

I'm pro choice, everywhere I go I leave a pile of dead babies. Not exactly new.

They're delicious though, you should try them. The dogs have the right idea.

Except in red states, I can't go there. If I do, John Mccain will make me a dead baby.

(god, this is gonna go up on escapist.txt. I just know it. I am also being facetious.)

I feel like this is very relevant to this conversation:

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

22 POUNDS!!! What have they been feeding that thing? It's nearly twice the average weight of a cat that breed.

Lasagne.

It's a real catastrophe when things like this happen. No animal is purfect, least of all cats.

 

[Stu35]

maybe the cat decided it's playtime and decided the kids were the toys, who knows? All I do know for sure is that that it has a legitimate reason and it has nothing to do with just being an asshole, that is always the case.

... Can't tell if you're joking or not.

99% of the time, those two statements together would be blatantly intended humorously.

Reading the remainder of your posts in this thread though, I honestly can't tell.

It's hurting my brain.

 

[immortalfrieza]

maybe the cat decided it's playtime and decided the kids were the toys, who knows? All I do know for sure is that that it has a legitimate reason and it has nothing to do with just being an asshole, that is always the case.

... Can't tell if you're joking or not.

99% of the time, those two statements together would be blatantly intended humorously.

Reading the remainder of your posts in this thread though, I honestly can't tell.

It's hurting my brain.

100% serious. If you do something enticing or the cat just has a lot of energy at the time the cat could decide you look like a fun toy. In fact, the only reason my own 3 cats have ever scratched or bit me in their lives is because they got a little too rambunctious and decided by feet looked like a toy, or I wasn't paying attention and put the actual toy too close to me.

 

[Stu35]

maybe the cat decided it's playtime and decided the kids were the toys, who knows? All I do know for sure is that that it has a legitimate reason and it has nothing to do with just being an asshole, that is always the case.

... Can't tell if you're joking or not.

99% of the time, those two statements together would be blatantly intended humorously.

Reading the remainder of your posts in this thread though, I honestly can't tell.

It's hurting my brain.

100% serious. If you do something enticing or the cat just has a lot of energy at the time the cat could decide you look like a fun toy. In fact, the only reason my own 3 cats have ever scratched or bit me in their lives is because they got a little too rambunctious and decided by feet looked like a toy, or I wasn't paying attention and put the actual toy too close to me.

I see...

And you feel that the cat deciding that you're a fun toy doesn't make the cat an 'asshole'?

Because I had cats growing up, I loved them, they were awesome - cute, fun, fluffy, all that good stuff. They were still 'assholes'.

Because cats are 'assholes'. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, or that it's not an evolutionary thing, I'm simply saying that you can't turn around and say: "He's not being an 'asshole', he just thinks you're a toy!", because thinking you're a toy is what makes him an 'asshole'.

It doesn't make it a "legitimate" decision on the cats part. Anymore than the cat deciding to torture its prey to death for fun is a "legitimate" decision.

Savvy?

Also, you come across as a little bit crazy-cat-lady/man ish in your posts, and I genuinely can't tell if that's intended humorously or not.

 

[immortalfrieza]

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They aren't being dicks, they just have difficulty telling the difference and/or their overstimulated. A cat's eyesight isn't all that good, especially during the day. They detect things more by smell and hearing than sight. Again, no animal including cats ever does anything to be malicious, they do it because their instincts tell them to. In other words yes, they are not being assholes, they are doing what they are doing because of something the environment does or doesn't do.

If I were to go and start insulting and hurting somebody just because I can, that would be being a dick. Doing it because I literally can't conceive of another course of action like animals do is not being a dick.

Last, I'm simply telling the truth, and if that makes me come across as a crazy cat man, so be it, I have no problems with that.

 

[Strazdas]

So i guess the baby abused the cat so the cat tried to defend itself, and for that it got a kick in the butt by overreacting human so it retaliated. Cats do not attack unprovoked unless they have been psychologically damaged by their owners beforehand. So shitty owners either way.

Domesticated animals can be just as vicious, aggressive or unpredictable as humans or wild animals. It's why I'm scared shitless of horses, because anything can set some of them off, like a wrapped bale of hay or something else entirely inaminate.

See, the thing is that "wild animals" arent all that vicious, aggressive and unpredictable as people think. In fact most species wont attack you unless you are an active hinderance. yes, there are animals liek Boards that will charge you unprovoked because "your in his territory", but cats and dogs are not that kind of species. A psichologically sound (read: not broken by the owner) cat will never attack unprovoken. However if you attack the cat it will defend itself. who wouldnt.

Horses are actually one of the stupidest animals in existence. Its a myth that horses are nice companions. they are very dumb and will actually try to eat your head.

The comments in here make me weep for the human race. I own four cats and love them all dearly but if I see one of them attack an INFANT then you're damn right I'm going to do whatever it takes to get it away from the baby, up to and including a swift kick to the rear.

Cats are awesome but babies are more important.

Cats defend themselves from attacks, even if said attack comes from infants. granted, infants are unlikely to know any better, but the only way they can learn is by nto being sheltered. and babies arent always more important.

 

[J Tyran]

yeahhh no, I've known plenty of cats who have been raised since kittens and I know for a fact are treated well that act like dicks to people with no provocation what so ever.

A human might not understand or see the provocation but its almost certainly there, even treating a cat well isnt the whole story. If there are local cats hanging around outside the house for example that can set them off because they get anxious and it takes very little to cause them to act defensively.

 

[Strazdas]

It couldn't simply be that some cats are born a lot more aggressive than others.

As you say, it couldnt. because they are not.

Basically what you're saying is that animals always have a reason (that includes but is not limited to hurting or provoking it, such as smelling a certain way or even gender). Things can set off a cat that we percieve as not being a valid reason, however, it doesn't legitimize bad behaviour which animals, including cats, are capable of.

You are correct that bad behaviuor is possible in animals and the reason they do it may not always be obviuos to humans, because humans are stupid.

That hwoever does not mean that cats can be "Evil". that simply means that we are too stupid to know why they react in this way. the fault is OURS.

he just wants to chew those f***ing cables, I believe the cause here must be some cable trauma? or perhaps some kind of deficiency that can only be fulfilled by consuming electronic equipment? Seriously though chewing cables is his thing and his tendency to be very active must have been inherited... it's that simple really.

The cause here is bad owner. If you dont know how to take care of your cat (and that is not limited to buying rubber toys) then down own one.

dogs are mans best friend, they dont trap people in bedrooms, they bring you the newspaper, play fetch and ruin the carpet forever

another good thing about dogs is that they will kill all those neighboars you hate for just looking at them funny!

But yeah, dogs vary gratly by breeds, but most "dog people" that i found usually grow breeds that are psychologically unstable because they were specifically bred for ring fighting such as pitbulls.

Huh, why are people so quick to claim its a learned behavior(aggressive cat). Have they never seen a cat freak the fuck out for no reason?

Cats never freak out for no reason. Its just that sometimes humans are ignorant of the reason. Then again Humans are far more unpredictable and yet we manage to live with them.

If you know the magical answer to why my entirely untraumatized dog suddenly began freaking out at age 4 upon encountering long and thin objects, like a fireplace poker, to the point of nipping nearby people, please tell me. And then explain why he very suddenly stopped caring again a year later.

If i could read his mind i could tell you that, however alas humans are too stupid to know the reason in some cases. It is entirely possible something has hurt him with such object and he now thinks its pain inducer. YOu know, even if it happened when you werent watching its still really happened. Unless you claim to know everything possible about your dog, which would be irrational.
Realists know about cause and effect.

Actually, it seems that you are the one who needs to do your research, as this statement is entirely false.

Cats kill for fun. There are scientific studies that prove this. Cats only eat or gift 50% of their kills. The other 50% they leave to rot.

Cats are often dicks for their own personal amusement.

There is very good reasons why cats hunt. and thats not "For fun". Not to mention the instincts. This is why any untrianed dog will chase you if you run. Thier instincts override their logic. run = chase. the dog has no choice. he not doing it unpreduictably, in fact its one of easy easy predictions, yet you wouldnt see apperent "gain" in it. however the gain is there.

Now if you want an animal that kills for amusement - Doplhins is your pick.

 

[WouldYouKindly]

While I get the feeling these people weren't exactly the best owners, the cat did scratch an infant.

The strange little flipside is that a similar incident happened when I was that young. The new dog we got snapped at me so my father knocked it unconscious. He then took it to the vet too have it put down. The vet convinced my dad to give the dog another shot, that he probably realized his position and wouldn't try anything again. That dog became my Sam, and I'll never have a better dog.

 

[fix-the-spade]

22 POUNDS!!! What have they been feeding that thing? It's nearly twice the average weight of a cat that breed.

Maybe the cat was secretly doing steroids behind their back and the kicks was just enough to trigger full on roid rage.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Last, I'm simply telling the truth, and if that makes me come across as a crazy cat man, so be it, I have no problems with that.

Actually, no, it makes you come off as one of those PETA people who think that all animals are saints and can't possibly ever do anything bad unless a mean ol human made em do it.

And in your most recent reply to me and this reply, you have conceded every point. Your entire "truth" at this point seems to be that you disagree with what people call "dickish" or "assholish" behavior.

You know what? Most bullies have hidden motives that we don't understand either. That doesn't make them not dicks.

And you know what else? If you say that cats cannot be dicks, then you suggest that they have no ability to have personalities - that they can only function on instinct. And, as a cat owner and cat lover, I can tell you that you're wrong. Cats do have personalities. And many of them are assholes.

So no, you are not telling the truth, simple or otherwise. You are not lying either - you are simply wrong.

 

[lacktheknack]

If you know the magical answer to why my entirely untraumatized dog suddenly began freaking out at age 4 upon encountering long and thin objects, like a fireplace poker, to the point of nipping nearby people, please tell me. And then explain why he very suddenly stopped caring again a year later.

If i could read his mind i could tell you that, however alas humans are too stupid to know the reason in some cases. It is entirely possible something has hurt him with such object and he now thinks its pain inducer. YOu know, even if it happened when you werent watching its still really happened. Unless you claim to know everything possible about your dog, which would be irrational.
Realists know about cause and effect.

I'm very damn well of cause and effect, thankyouverymuch.

However, considering he never went outside without full supervision, and considering that we have nothing long and thin in our house that had any real chance of falling over and hitting him (they're all in closets) and we've never hit him with anything, it seems more reasonable that he had a wire cross in his brain at some point for literally no particularly good reason.

It happens to us, the most logical species, so I fail to see why it wouldn't happen to a dog.

 

[Strazdas]

However, considering he never went outside without full supervision, and considering that we have nothing long and thin in our house that had any real chance of falling over and hitting him (they're all in closets) and we've never hit him with anything, it seems more reasonable that he had a wire cross in his brain at some point for literally no particularly good reason.

It happens to us, the most logical species, so I fail to see why it wouldn't happen to a dog.

My best guess would be that he is asociating the item with something else, not necessarely exact in shape, and you or me are simply not knowledgable enough to know what the association is.

 

[lacktheknack]

However, considering he never went outside without full supervision, and considering that we have nothing long and thin in our house that had any real chance of falling over and hitting him (they're all in closets) and we've never hit him with anything, it seems more reasonable that he had a wire cross in his brain at some point for literally no particularly good reason.

It happens to us, the most logical species, so I fail to see why it wouldn't happen to a dog.

My best guess would be that he is asociating the item with something else, not necessarely exact in shape, and you or me are simply not knowledgable enough to know what the association is.

...so we're in exact agreement? That's what I'm referring to by "getting a wire crossed". It's clear he associated long and thing objects with SOMETHING bad, but there's no apparent logical explanation of what that thing was during the year that he hated all objects of that shape.

Hence my original point of "animals aren't truly predictable".