Sometimes, creators go overboard with the angst and the characters stop being human.Blanks said:
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The only one out of those with an emo character is 8.Gladion said:
Veldt Falsetto said:
How did he spend discs 2 and three crying over her he only was a bit depressed around the start of disc 2 and then disappeared for a large portion of the game when he came back as a decent character. Also he didn't just meet a random flower girl she kinda saved him and then he saved her.
OT: It is just one of those things that probably started off as a little joke somewhere but someone took it too seriously and it grew into this. Besides as far as I know pwned came from a mistype of owned so you never know.
I realize that I'm not contributing to this thread and I'm posting anyway.
Not that I think that Japanese angsty teens with spikey haircuts are the best thing since sliced bread, but really would you just shut the fuck up about it already? I'm sure you listen to a shitty band that no one likes or you're incapable of dressing yourself properly or you like fat chicks or Pokemon Snap or something.
Seriously, people like stuff. Other people don't like stuff. But next time, just use the damn search bar.
Not that I think that Japanese angsty teens with spikey haircuts are the best thing since sliced bread, but really would you just shut the fuck up about it already? I'm sure you listen to a shitty band that no one likes or you're incapable of dressing yourself properly or you like fat chicks or Pokemon Snap or something.
Seriously, people like stuff. Other people don't like stuff. But next time, just use the damn search bar.
Tetsuya does the artwork... although if you are complaining on how me makes the characters look then yes I agree I miss Amano (the guy who designed characters like Locke and Cecil)SavingPrincess said:
Lets see..
Suikoden 1 and 2... Tir McDohl technically takes on a sort of "emo" persona in Suikoden 2 (if you import data), but it's all explained within the first minute you see him quite logically, and you should bloody well know already why if you were able to import data.
(MAJOR SPOILER ALERT: He's carrying around a powerful Rune that has this habit of killing people close to him, and he went into wandering isolation to prevent further tragedy).
Lets see, nope. No major emos there. The only other example I can think of does the unthinkable and matures in his brief side-quest (bonus points if you can guess who).
Breath of Fire - No emos here. There's dragons though. Well, something about dragons.
None of the Quintet games had any emos..they had rather metaphysical stories though, if you're into the pseudo-divinity thing. No room for emo when vague-"God" and vague-"Satan" are involved.
Ok. So lets go with post millennial jrpgs...of which I have played very few of.
FF10: Tidus was more of a whiny ***** than anything. A lot of people love his character, but I never really got into it. Whatever.
FF12: Vaan. More of a not-character. Really, I would have to give this one to Ashe, who has a logical reason to be conflicted even if she does have all the personality of wet timber.
Shadow Hearts...eh, I can see it. Never played it, but one of my close friends did.
Xenosaga: I really think this series had a more FUBAR and plot-contrivance-filled story than FF8. Everything after Episode 1 is just a mess. Ziggy is effectively a human machine and a Journeyman of the Ellipsis, but never really whines. He's more like a paperweight that kicks things with a robotic leg.
Never played any of the Persona or Shin Megami Tensei series (same thing?).
Tales of [x]/Namco Bandai.
Varies wildly. There is some argument to be made here for some of the games.
The games follow a very solidly predefined rubberstamp following the success of Symphonia in the US (at least for the US releases; I will not presume to speak for the Japan-only games).
There doesn't seem to be much of a basis for an argument here save for Squall.
FF8 and maybe some Tales character(s).
Way to go internet culture; take the exception and make it a stereotype.
Suikoden 1 and 2... Tir McDohl technically takes on a sort of "emo" persona in Suikoden 2 (if you import data), but it's all explained within the first minute you see him quite logically, and you should bloody well know already why if you were able to import data.
(MAJOR SPOILER ALERT: He's carrying around a powerful Rune that has this habit of killing people close to him, and he went into wandering isolation to prevent further tragedy).
Lets see, nope. No major emos there. The only other example I can think of does the unthinkable and matures in his brief side-quest (bonus points if you can guess who).
Breath of Fire - No emos here. There's dragons though. Well, something about dragons.
None of the Quintet games had any emos..they had rather metaphysical stories though, if you're into the pseudo-divinity thing. No room for emo when vague-"God" and vague-"Satan" are involved.
Ok. So lets go with post millennial jrpgs...of which I have played very few of.
FF10: Tidus was more of a whiny ***** than anything. A lot of people love his character, but I never really got into it. Whatever.
FF12: Vaan. More of a not-character. Really, I would have to give this one to Ashe, who has a logical reason to be conflicted even if she does have all the personality of wet timber.
Shadow Hearts...eh, I can see it. Never played it, but one of my close friends did.
Xenosaga: I really think this series had a more FUBAR and plot-contrivance-filled story than FF8. Everything after Episode 1 is just a mess. Ziggy is effectively a human machine and a Journeyman of the Ellipsis, but never really whines. He's more like a paperweight that kicks things with a robotic leg.
Never played any of the Persona or Shin Megami Tensei series (same thing?).
Tales of [x]/Namco Bandai.
Varies wildly. There is some argument to be made here for some of the games.
The games follow a very solidly predefined rubberstamp following the success of Symphonia in the US (at least for the US releases; I will not presume to speak for the Japan-only games).
There doesn't seem to be much of a basis for an argument here save for Squall.
FF8 and maybe some Tales character(s).
Way to go internet culture; take the exception and make it a stereotype.
About that Japan today vs Japan in the past image...
I'm wondering if they're just ahead of the curve in a modern-day shift away from stereotypical "manliness". The gruff badass has no place in a technologically advanced, peaceful society.
Gender equality has been a major change in the past century, but equality can go both ways. Perhaps in the next 50-100 years men and women will meet somewhere in the middle between the classic ideals of femininity and masculinity.
I'm wondering if they're just ahead of the curve in a modern-day shift away from stereotypical "manliness". The gruff badass has no place in a technologically advanced, peaceful society.
Gender equality has been a major change in the past century, but equality can go both ways. Perhaps in the next 50-100 years men and women will meet somewhere in the middle between the classic ideals of femininity and masculinity.
It definitely started with Squall. The black leather, the attitude that embodies "meh", the constant introspection... He fits the "emo" subtype to a T, even if he was conceived as a character before the concept of emo really caught on.
Cloud Strife is normally pointed to as the prototypical example of angst and emo in JRPGs, but this is becoming something of misnomer. Almost everyone who actually played Final Fantasy VII knows that Cloud was never anything close to emo. The assertion usually comes from the way he's portrayed in Advent Children, which frankly doesn't count because Advent Children isn't a JRPG.
Cloud Strife is normally pointed to as the prototypical example of angst and emo in JRPGs, but this is becoming something of misnomer. Almost everyone who actually played Final Fantasy VII knows that Cloud was never anything close to emo. The assertion usually comes from the way he's portrayed in Advent Children, which frankly doesn't count because Advent Children isn't a JRPG.
True; I believe Amano had much more original character designs rather than putting different clothing on the same feminine looking late teen boy, here:LeonLethality said:
So there we have someone to openly blame.Quoth the Wiki said:
On that note, if you want some entertainment and to see how out of touch with the community that reviewers can be, read the "Reception and Legacy [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_fantasy_viii#Reception_and_legacy]" portion of the Final Fantasy VIII wiki.
You do know I loved FFVIII and think of it as the third best in the main series (behind FFVI and FFXII if you cared to know) And I am fine with Tetsuya's character design I just preferred Amano'sSavingPrincess said:
also of note remember Vagrant story? Well the lead character Ashley was pretty damn manly and that got negative reception and that is one reason square sticks to androgynous main characters, because it pleases more people than the manly characters do. That is a reason Vaan is the main character in XII instead of Basch (who was originally going to be)
I really liked Vagrant Story, and I would have loved to see Basch as the main character of Final Fantasy XII.LeonLethality said:
I thought Final Fantasy VIII (and Final Fantasy VII to an extent) really lacked in the wonderful thing that I loved about the series which was intricate weaving plots of ALL the characters. It also lacked the character development of ALL the characters outside the main few. The draw system breaks my
If at any point a task in a game makes me think "Cool, I can use this time to do something else." Then it has failed as a game.
That being said, it wasn't awful, just my least favorite of the series. Zell makes me want to punch babies; Squall makes me want to punch them again in a different part of the their tiny bodies that was unaffected from the first Zell-based punch.
True, but the original comparison was definition of masculinity in the period the black and white movies were made (50's and 60's) as opposed to the current definition of Japanese masculinity.More Fun To Compute said:
Could just of easily been John Wayne vs David Bowie or whatever. In my opinion it's misleading.Mortons4ck said:
