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Wait, you think Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt has good story? Now hold on I love Panty and Stocking too and I guess the story is somewhat interesting if you can pass the adult material that's covering the anime.
I said it was good at storyTELLING.

I've seen a lot of movies and games and TV shows that have absolutely appalling stories, but they present them in a new and interesting way to keep the audience interested. Jurassic Park is one example. Its story isn't great, but it keeps the pace up and doesn't waste it's time. It knows the characters aren't mind-blowing, so it doesn't spend much time developing and evolving them, instead thrusting them into extraordinary situations to watch how they react. Army of Darkness (second favorite movie of all time) did this too, but better than JP because of Ash having far better lines, but he was the only one in the situation, so he had only one thing TO do (Kick ass).
 

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The best anime ever is Steins;Gate. That is simple fact. The setting, the plot, and above all, the characters, they just work so well. It is brilliant.
Yeah, no.

Voice of some characters were annoying. The ending sucked balls, there was always the feeling of happiness and that everything would end well, which it did.

It was one of the best animes of 2011, but those things annoyed me enough to give it a max of 8.5
Of that year Usagi Drop was also great, but my favourite goes to Madoka Magika.
Oh man, you should join us at the Anime Fans user group.

Anyhoo, liking a voice is rather subjective isn't it? I for one thought the voice acting was stuff of legend. And seriously, no anime is perfect. But S;G just did it for me. I can't for the life of me properly explain why I like Steins;Gate so much as I do. I just do.

The ending, well, I just didn't really care how or what at the moment. I just wanted me a happy ending, that's how immersed I was. Any series that can make me feel for the characters that much deserves due credit IMO.

And always feelings of happiness? I would like to refer you to episodes 12 and 13.

Usagi drop I couldn't fully enjoy because I've read the manga already. I don't know if you have, but if you haven't I'd strongly recommend you keep it that way. Now that is an ending to a series that made the experience feel like a big, fat lie.

I agree that Madoka Magica was an experience unlike any other, something we will most likely not see again. Excited for the third movie, I am.

Bottom line, opinions. Everyone has different ones :D
 

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Other than Alucard being one of the biggest Deus ex Machina (damn near literally) characters in all of anime, I'd like to hear why you think that he, specifically, makes Hellsing Ultimate a bad show. And even further: why you think he's a flat out horrible character.

Now for the "my thoughts on anime" part that you requested in your OP:

I like anime that has a conclusive story. The keyword being "conclusive". Anime like DBZ, Naruto, Bleach, and Inuyasha, for example, are what I call "never ending anime" and generally speaking the all follow the same pattern: "Bad guy arrives. Bad guy beats the crap out of heroes. Heroes train/do something to become more powerful. Heroes defeat bad guy. New bad guy arrives, rinse and repeat until you've got about 400 episodes." One of the biggest problems I have with this is the arms-race cycle that they go through. Each new villian that arrives is "HOLY SHIT! THIS IS THE STRONGEST GUY EVAR!!!!" only to find out that the villian standing next in line makes the first villain seem as strong as a 3 year old who's napping.

Sticking the the gold standard for the genre of "never ending anime" (DBZ), I'll show what I'm talking about. Raditz shows up and is stronger than anyone they ever faced in Dragon Ball. He kicks their ass at first, Goku ends up sacrificing himself to defeat Raditz, and the day is saved...but wait, turns out Raditz was actually a completely worthless tool compared to Nappa and Vegeta, who in turn might as well not have even bothered when compared to the Ginyu Force, who are a bunch of pre-pubescent girls compared to Frieza, who's laughably weak compared to the Androids, who are literally nothing but food for Cell, who couldn't even manage to tickle Fat Buu, who literally gets his ass kicked by Super Buu, who is about as strong as a wet paper towel when compared to Kid Buu. I mean when Vegetta first fights Goku, he claims to be able to destroy the planet, a power shared by every villain above him in the chain. When you're strong enough to blow up the planet...just how many times stronger can you get?

And that's pretty much the same template that almost all other "never ending anime" follow.

I don't mind long series, Rurouni Kenshin is my favorite anime of all time and it's got about 90 episodes. The thing is, though, Kenshin starts out pretty bad-ass already, and the first season focuses mostly on episode-by-episode stories, and a number of them feature a member of Kenshin's crew as the primary character. The only time Kenshin actually needs to train to get stronger is at the beginning of the Shishio saga, and even then it's only so that he can finish the training that he walked away from a long time ago, just so he can learn his sword style's ultimate technique.

If you're looking for a good anime with good story telling, I'd highly recommend Rurouni Kenshin (and the Samurai X OVAs). Though I'd sincerely have to hope that after 3 pages of comments someone has already suggested it. If not, then there you go. Personally with the vast majority of anime, I prefer it to be in japanese with english subtitles because I think there's far more emotion and expression in the voice acting in the original japanese voices. There are a couple of acceptions where I prefer the english voice actors, these two I'm certain have been suggested numerous times already as well: Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.

:p Also, I do enjoy Hellsing Ultimate, but only if it's in Japanese. It's an example of one of the anime that is just absolutely murdered by the english voice actors if you ask me.
 

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Based on the specifics that you gave, I'm not sure if these will float your boat, but you may like Claymore, Samurai 7, and Rurouni Kenshin. In Rurouni Kenshin's case, I felt the manga was significantly better than the anime.
 

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Elfen Lied, Highschool of the dead, and Hellsing Ultimate are awesome.
Soul eater is embarrassing to watch.
Have you seen Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, Death Note, or Deadman Wonderland?
 

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RJ 17 said:
AsurasEyes said:
Other than Alucard being one of the biggest Deus ex Machina (damn near literally) characters in all of anime, I'd like to hear why you think that he, specifically, makes Hellsing Ultimate a bad show. And even further: why you think he's a flat out horrible character.


:p Also, I do enjoy Hellsing Ultimate, but only if it's in Japanese. It's an example of one of the anime that is just absolutely murdered by the english voice actors if you ask me.
I'll keep it short. The English dub was awesome because it gave you a greater sense of where the characters were and their ethnicities, along with giving them great audible personality. Alucard had a really really great voice, but the reason I think he's a terrible character is because he's inconsistent and really just hard to consider cool.

He spends the entire show proving how shit humans are, and how they will never be able to stand up to any vampire, who is immortal, ageless, able to walk in sunlight, turn into mist, summon hellhounds to eat his foes, and unleash a horde of zombies that wipes out two massed armies. Then, the ************ breaks down and cries, claiming that "vampires are a step down from humans", which infuriated me. He treats Seras like shit despite loving her, and she loves him back for no better reason than he's the main character, and the fact that anyone could call him a friend is mind-boggling considering how casually he enacts war crimes.

But even without the glaring character flaws, he'd still be condemned by the biggest flaw. The fact that he's outclassed by a vampire who refuses to drink blood. I never saw the overcoat wearing bastard pull any particularly awesome kills despite being the immortal badass he's been made out to be.

Seras grabbed Blitz by the head, ran along a wall and sandpapered her foes face down until it was half gone. She got one arm chopped off, and she massacred at least three dozen Millennium soldiers, WITH ONE ARM, not including the frankly insane kill count from the machine guns and downing a blimp by herself. Also murdered the entire reanimated guard battalion of Hellsing in the second OVA.

What has Alucard done? Stabbed Rip Van Winkle through the chest with her own gun and drank her blood? This guy is DRACULA. He should make the girl who's been a vampire for only a month or two look like the mewling child she is. Sent a hellhound to eat Luke Valentine? The blonde little ***** of the Valentine brothers? Nothing he's done is impressive, hell, Alexander Anderson, a raving Catholic psychopath who murders more vampires before breakfast than you've had hot meals, has done more impressive things with his life.

This is mostly for one reason. He's human. He's mortal, and thusly the fights have tension to them. Yes he can regenerate, but honestly, that's only because they needed someone who could legitimately threaten Alucard. He didn't need it, when he got his arm crippled, he grabbed it with his teeth and ran through a zombie horde, cutting bitches down like nobody's business, and ironically ended up being the bigger badass.

But what really makes me hate the character is this: This boring, uninteresting, poorly written and barely even dangerous monster, is Dracula. The first vampire. The Nightwalker who glides on seas of blood. The man who thought that shoving six foot spikes up the asses of about 30,000 Ottoman soldiers, WHILE THEY WERE ALIVE no less, was a NEGOTIATING tactic. The Ottoman armies would see the forests of impaled, decaying bodies, and ran for their lives without Vlad needing to raise a finger. He was the kind of person who doesn't NEED to stand up and murder you, you're too busy pissing yourself from his menacing tone of voice and ominous yet melancholy lines to even try anything. And the fact that he was a great warrior without even being a vampire speaks volumes more than being able to throw two dozen SWAT team members out so they get impaled on flagpoles after he shoots them.

Yes, he was raped as a child. Yes he was disillusioned from the Crusades. But the real Vlad Tepes took this on board and became a better person. He freed the serfs from their slave drivers, encouraged religious tolerance, wasn't cruel to his people, and single-handedly kept Europe from becoming Turkish. Dracula the character became a tortured soul who simply wanted love and someone to share eternal life with, who didn't NEED to become a shadow demon who murders entire continents to be a legitimately interesting and kind of terrifying monster. Because he was legitimately evil, but he was the best kind of evil because he was interesting in his evil. Hellsing drains all of that out of him and turns him into a generic action hero. If they made it another vampire, I wouldn't care. If they made him interesting, I'd be lukewarm. Now, I despise the show because he was surrounded by so many bright and interesting and generally more enjoyable characters, reducing the greatest vampire in history to the guy who says, "Reload Dr. Freeman" in Half Life.

(P.S. Am I the only one who gets annoyed when I hear that Abraham Van Helsing killed Dracula? James Morrys killed Dracula, and he killed Drac with a Bowie Knife, not a stake. Van Helsing was an incompetent jackass who got Mina's friend killed because he decided that he couldn't stop Dracula without a good meal, leaving her undefended while he dragged everyone else to the pub)
 

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I think you have the same problem I do. You like anime too much, and it can only struggle to live up to your expectations.

AsurasEyes said:
But that doesn't explain why Code Geass, Boondocks, Elfen Lied, Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt, Trigun, Ouran High School Host Club, and Berserk
Code Geass <33333333333333333333
Trigun: The old classic...er, the old classic that isn't name "Cowboy Bebop".

Wait...Elfen Lied? BEGONE FOUL BEING GET IT OFF GET IT OFF GET IT OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

The rest I haven't yet seen. I'll put them at positions 337-341 on my anime To Watch List.

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(FLAME BAIT: Soul Eater, Hellsing Ultimate, Haruhi, High School of the Dead, and Higurashi ain't that great in my opinion.
I've seen at least part of all of these, except Higurashi (#184 on the watch list (no I don't actually have a 300+ long To Watch List). And...yeah, no problem with these. I like Soul Eater (haven't finished it), Haruhi, and Hellsing Ultimate (sort of...), but, well, I'll talk about each of them.

Soul Eater is just shonen, but it's really good shonen (I'm on...episode 30, atm). The only real problem I have/had with it is Black Star, whom I legitimately and without exaggeration wanted to die slowly and painfully during episode two. Gotta love that opening theme song, though...

Highschool of the Dead: I saw the first episode and learned all I needed to know. Later I watched the second because...no clue. I'll say one thing in this show's favor: it was done by Studio Madhouse, possibly the most talented anime studio there is. I guess my point is: if you are for some reason seized by the dread urges to watch ecchi, HotD at least has...effort put into it? Yeah, let's go with that.

Hellsing is basically HotD without the tits, isn't it? I was dazzled with the cinematography for a while...oh, wait, I know why! OVAs 5-7 were done by Madhouse! Then they stopped doing their thing and the events got dumber, and I stopped caring.

Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya: I admit, I cheated. I watched the plot episodes only and skipped the in-between episodes. I tried watching one or two of them...I sadfaced. I think you disliked it for completely different reasons than me, but...well, there's that.

Moving on from that...of the things mentioned in this thread I especially recommend Baccano! and Madoka Magica if you haven't seen them. Oh, and Stein's;Gate, although I haven't finished it yet. Beyond that, I am going to tell you to do one thing, and recommend you another thing. The thing I'm going to tell you to do, you may have already done, but I doubt you've seen what I'm going to recommend.

If you live in the US (and to a lesser extent Canada, the UK, and some other places), Crunchyroll is your friend. Go there and explore a vast library of shows no one will remember or care about in a few years. And some good stuff. Yeah, that, too.

What I'm going to recommend you is probably pretty far out of your comfort zone. I know it was way out of mine (I skipped over it along with a dozen other anime during the Summer 2012 season), but a wise sage recommended it to me, and my brain went "PTCHOOO!". I was happy. Go watch Kokoro Connect.
 

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This is a state recommendations thread right? Based on what you've stated
Cowboy Bebop - its a classic
Baccano! - didnt find this one til recently. But I must say it is one of my favorites
angel beats - good story, and i got pretty emotionally attached to the characters so that was pretty cool
rurouni kenshin, first arc - This ones pretty old, but its another great anime with a great story. If you really want to, keep watching after the first arc ends, but it's not nearly as good
initial D 3rd stage: idk, i liked it, it was really interesting
thats everything off the top of my head, will edit if I remember more of my 100 odd days of anime watched...
 

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Easy Mode: Full Metal Panic, or Bokurano. The first one is more lighthearted, the second one is fairly deep, both have really good story telling in my opinion. I don't know if you're still monitoring your thread, but if you are I highly recommend these, since I have the same disposition with anime that you do it seems. If you do try them out, please let me know what you think. ^^
 

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Cyfu said:
Do you like sport animes? I love them, Every time I watch one I immediately want to start with that sport.

List of sport anime:
1. Hajime no Ippo
2. prince of tennis (it's so over the top it's funny)
3. Overdrive (i think it's called that at least, a while since I watched it)

seriously, Watch Hajime no ippo!
Have you seen Eyeshield 21? I'm not even a fan of American footbal, but I loved the anime so much
 

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Jeeze, what's with all the Hellsing hate? Yeah, the original anime kind of sucks aside from the soundtrack and Alucard is an utterly overpowered demigod vampire but hey...it's literally a brainless action movie in the form of an animated series. Sure, there's some plot but we aren't here to see character growth or deep, complex, though provoking storylines..we're here to see vampire Nazi's get torn to shreds and shit blow up in as hammy a manner as possible.

ANYWAY, if you want a good story go read and watch berserk. The manga because it's utterly fantastic nightmare fuel incarnate. And, the anime to introduce you to one of the most brilliant and talented composers of Japan: Susumu Hirasawa.

RJ 17 said:
:p Also, I do enjoy Hellsing Ultimate, but only if it's in Japanese. It's an example of one of the anime that is just absolutely murdered by the english voice actors if you ask me.
Murdered seems rather harsh in my opinion. Is Hellsing's english dub perfect? No, but it does a DAMN good job in my opinion. Plus, Crispin Freeman makes an amazing Alucard.

The Jap Dub is still very good, but...i do prefer the English dub better as it just fits more in my opinion. However, it does earn brownie points for having Norio Wakamoto play the role of Alexander Anderson...I swear Anderson and Wakamoto were made for each other, and it's one of the few voices i view as superior to the english dub. Cause Cmon, it's NORIO WAKAMOTO allowed to go nuts in a role..what's not to love!?
 

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ANYWAY, if you want a good story go read and watch berserk.
OP stated that Berserk was one of his favorite animes, you're bringing salt to the ocean friend.
 

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I don't think I've posted in this thread yet, but if I have I apologise for quoting the OP.

However;
AsurasEyes said:
But that doesn't explain why ... Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt... still among my most-cited examples of good storytelling.
What the hell?!
How?​
How?!
 

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AsurasEyes said:
RJ 17 said:
AsurasEyes said:
Other than Alucard being one of the biggest Deus ex Machina (damn near literally) characters in all of anime, I'd like to hear why you think that he, specifically, makes Hellsing Ultimate a bad show. And even further: why you think he's a flat out horrible character.


:p Also, I do enjoy Hellsing Ultimate, but only if it's in Japanese. It's an example of one of the anime that is just absolutely murdered by the english voice actors if you ask me.
I'll keep it short.
I call bullshit oon that. :p

Seems you have a number of massive misunderstandings here, I'll try to be brief in my explinations.

His thoughts on humans: Actually throughout the series he has nothing but the utmost respect for humans. What he considers to be TRUE humans, anyways, and not "dogs", "dog food", or even "dog shit". Anderson, in his eyes, is a true human. One not afraid to stand against the darkness with no regrets. One of Alucard's core beliefs is that only a human can defeat a monster. Truth is he hates what he is while he revels in what he is. He desperately seeks his own destruction, but only a true human can kill him. That's why he cries when Anderson is about to turn himself into a monster, it's a pointless gesture.

He treats Seras like a whimpering child because she denies her vampire side and tries to remain human. He tries to drill into her that she is no longer human, that she should drink blood and accept that she is a vampire, but she stubbornly clings to her humanity.

Seras adores him, however, because 1: he saved her life, and 2: he's her master. It's common vampire lore that vampires have a bond with the vampire that turned them. He is her sire.

As for Seras vs Alucard, I can only assume this is just personal taste or your personal bias. Sooo yeah, Seras grabs the scythe *****'s face and grinds it down on a wall. Does she unleash hell's cates and conjure forth an army of the damned that utterly annihilate the armies of the KKK and the Ninja Nazi Vampires? Does she pilot an SR71 in a kamikazi onto an aircraft carrier before killing everything on board? Does she split a guy's arm from finger to shoulders using only her fingers? Maybe you're just unimpressed by his omnipotent power, but even then you can't say that he's "out classed" by Seras. But evidently you consider having the power to completely destroy two armies singlehandedly as being "barely even dangerous" while simply using a combination of superhuman speed and strength to grind someone's face down a wall is the pinacle of being a bad-ass...sooooo whatever floats your boat I guess. Though throughout the series he does leave people trembling in fear the way you'd like him too, but I'm guessing you made up your mind about him early on and quickly started looking for reasons to not like him.

Lastly I'll conclude by simply reminding you of the blatantly obvious: it's an anime. It's fictional. For starters, you have to consider that this would be a Japanese take on Dracula, not a Western take on him where his tail originated. The show draws partly from his true history, but it's not meant to be a documentary. You want Alucard to be an almighty prince of darkness...well that's pretty much what he is in the show, as is demonstrated plenty of times. According to this telling of Dracula's tail, however, he was bound to the service of the Hellsing family.

Since I can't say what I really want to say for fear of drawing a moderator's attention, I'll simply say that you seem to be overly biased against this series' Dracula due to your clear knowledge of the REAL Vlad the Impaler. But in the end it doesn't matter to me if you like a show or if you don't, it just seemed like your perspective of it is grossy off base. As such you'll receive no further arguments from me. :p
 

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For something oldschool and cool, you got your Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Trigun, or Gundam Wing. Hell yeah, old Toonami.

For something more modern and action-packed, look at something like Heroman or Heroic Age.

For something psychological, look at something like Ghost Hound.

For something weird and emotional, look at Mushishi.

For pretentious anti-heroes, look at Code Geass or Death Note.

For something funny, look at Cromartie High School or Desert Punk.

And for something that's plain good, look at Last Exile.
 

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RJ 17 said:
AsurasEyes said:
RJ 17 said:
AsurasEyes said:
Other than Alucard being one of the biggest Deus ex Machina (damn near literally) characters in all of anime, I'd like to hear why you think that he, specifically, makes Hellsing Ultimate a bad show. And even further: why you think he's a flat out horrible character.


:p Also, I do enjoy Hellsing Ultimate, but only if it's in Japanese. It's an example of one of the anime that is just absolutely murdered by the english voice actors if you ask me.
I'll keep it short.
I call bullshit oon that. :p

Seems you have a number of massive misunderstandings here, I'll try to be brief in my explinations.

His thoughts on humans: Actually throughout the series he has nothing but the utmost respect for humans. What he considers to be TRUE humans, anyways, and not "dogs", "dog food", or even "dog shit". Anderson, in his eyes, is a true human. One not afraid to stand against the darkness with no regrets. One of Alucard's core beliefs is that only a human can defeat a monster. Truth is he hates what he is while he revels in what he is. He desperately seeks his own destruction, but only a true human can kill him. That's why he cries when Anderson is about to turn himself into a monster, it's a pointless gesture.

He treats Seras like a whimpering child because she denies her vampire side and tries to remain human. He tries to drill into her that she is no longer human, that she should drink blood and accept that she is a vampire, but she stubbornly clings to her humanity.

Seras adores him, however, because 1: he saved her life, and 2: he's her master. It's common vampire lore that vampires have a bond with the vampire that turned them. He is her sire.

As for Seras vs Alucard, I can only assume this is just personal taste or your personal bias. Sooo yeah, Seras grabs the scythe *****'s face and grinds it down on a wall. Does she unleash hell's cates and conjure forth an army of the damned that utterly annihilate the armies of the KKK and the Ninja Nazi Vampires? Does she pilot an SR71 in a kamikazi onto an aircraft carrier before killing everything on board? Does she split a guy's arm from finger to shoulders using only her fingers? Maybe you're just unimpressed by his omnipotent power, but even then you can't say that he's "out classed" by Seras. But evidently you consider having the power to completely destroy two armies singlehandedly as being "barely even dangerous" while simply using a combination of superhuman speed and strength to grind someone's face down a wall is the pinacle of being a bad-ass...sooooo whatever floats your boat I guess. Though throughout the series he does leave people trembling in fear the way you'd like him too, but I'm guessing you made up your mind about him early on and quickly started looking for reasons to not like him.

Lastly I'll conclude by simply reminding you of the blatantly obvious: it's an anime. It's fictional. For starters, you have to consider that this would be a Japanese take on Dracula, not a Western take on him where his tail originated. The show draws partly from his true history, but it's not meant to be a documentary. You want Alucard to be an almighty prince of darkness...well that's pretty much what he is in the show, as is demonstrated plenty of times. According to this telling of Dracula's tail, however, he was bound to the service of the Hellsing family.

Since I can't say what I really want to say for fear of drawing a moderator's attention, I'll simply say that you seem to be overly biased against this series' Dracula due to your clear knowledge of the REAL Vlad the Impaler. But in the end it doesn't matter to me if you like a show or if you don't, it just seemed like your perspective of it is grossy off base. As such you'll receive no further arguments from me. :p
To be honest, I did get a lot longer than I planned. Either way, it's your opinion, and it's mine to dislike him. I've had this conversation before, let's just not get into it. I disliked it, saw it, read it, read into it, rewatched it to make sure I had seen what I thought I saw, and all I can give is a half-hearted shrug, but a lot of my friends enjoy it.

Like what you like, I'll hate what I'll hate.
 

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I thought Gantz was alright but many seem to disagree with me on that one.

Serial Experiments Lain is great if you want to watch something slightly trippy and confusing.
Also the obligatory NGE.