Anime Review: Tales of Phantasia: The Animation

black lincon

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NeutralDrow said:
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JoshV said:
And this is the part where dozens of JRPG fans hunt me down with pointy sticks.
The thing that attracts most of us to JRPGs is the depth of the story, the characters, and the world. Your criticism is based on how the anime adaptation lacked these. Why would we harm one of our own?

I wonder if the Symphonia and Abyss anime are the same way. I've heard they're giving Symphonia more than one 4-episode OVA, but...
Wasn't amazing. I'm talking about the Symphonia one. it was all right from what I watched, but it went by very fast, I think in the first two episodes they had already gone through to Palmacosta, and they skipped the whole sequence with Marble.
...how can it skip the whole Marble thing? That's how Genis got his exsphere, and it's the source of Lloyd's banishment from and angst over Iselia, it's how the Desians find out about him, and it's the start of the Chocolat thing! Among other things.

*sigh* I guess as a huge fan of the game, I do have to watch the thing eventually, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Maybe if these anime adaptations were TV instead of OVA length, but then they'd have to cut corners somewhere else, instead.
not to mention that's how a large portion of who genis is as a person is developed. like I said it went by very fast, too fast. they actually skipped the dungeons, they just went to the bosses.
Well...to be perfectly honest, dungeons are really the most understandable things to skip outside a game format. They're indispensable for gameplay, but nine times out of ten, story-wise, what's important is <url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYE8Jhr5jOM>what's waiting at the end of the dungeon.
for most of them, but what happens when they skip them running into sheena at the end of the baurucof(sp?) mausoleum or when they rescued those hostages, or when Raine blows the crap out of the ranches? All that stuff happens inside of the dungeons, and while most of the important stuff happens outside there is some stuff that goes on inside that's slightly important or at the least interesting.

Oh well, I think we've established that there rushing the story in these things.
 

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I think the bottom line is that interactive entertainment doesn't translate well into passive entertainment.

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Bone's eh? funny, that might be all that's left after I'm done MUH HA HA!*cough**cough*. Coincidentally, I need to clean my collection of sharp objects, deadly projectiles, poisons, and assorted tools for corpse disposal, just so you know.
I'll be waiting. Look on the bright side; you'll probably never have to hear my review of that series.
 

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black lincon said:
NeutralDrow said:
black lincon said:
NeutralDrow said:
black lincon said:
NeutralDrow said:
JoshV said:
And this is the part where dozens of JRPG fans hunt me down with pointy sticks.
The thing that attracts most of us to JRPGs is the depth of the story, the characters, and the world. Your criticism is based on how the anime adaptation lacked these. Why would we harm one of our own?

I wonder if the Symphonia and Abyss anime are the same way. I've heard they're giving Symphonia more than one 4-episode OVA, but...
Wasn't amazing. I'm talking about the Symphonia one. it was all right from what I watched, but it went by very fast, I think in the first two episodes they had already gone through to Palmacosta, and they skipped the whole sequence with Marble.
...how can it skip the whole Marble thing? That's how Genis got his exsphere, and it's the source of Lloyd's banishment from and angst over Iselia, it's how the Desians find out about him, and it's the start of the Chocolat thing! Among other things.

*sigh* I guess as a huge fan of the game, I do have to watch the thing eventually, but I'm not getting my hopes up. Maybe if these anime adaptations were TV instead of OVA length, but then they'd have to cut corners somewhere else, instead.
not to mention that's how a large portion of who genis is as a person is developed. like I said it went by very fast, too fast. they actually skipped the dungeons, they just went to the bosses.
Well...to be perfectly honest, dungeons are really the most understandable things to skip outside a game format. They're indispensable for gameplay, but nine times out of ten, story-wise, what's important is <url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYE8Jhr5jOM>what's waiting at the end of the dungeon.
for most of them, but what happens when they skip them running into sheena at the end of the baurucof(sp?) mausoleum or when they rescued those hostages, or when Raine blows the crap out of the ranches? All that stuff happens inside of the dungeons, and while most of the important stuff happens outside there is some stuff that goes on inside that's slightly important or at the least interesting.
Well, of course, but the hostage rescue and ranch destruction and the like happen at the end of the dungeon. They're not the run around fighting baddies and solving puzzles.

...don't tell me they skip those parts altogether.

Oh well, I think we've established that there rushing the story in these things.
Agreed.
 

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I wouldn't necessarily say that RPGs make bad game to anime conversions either--it's just, if someone is going to do one, they need to go all out. Like I mentioned in the review, something like 13 or 26 episodes could work. But if they're absolutely stuck at four episodes, they need to not try to tell the whole story.

My problem with the series was really less that it was blatant fanservice (Because really, do you expect anything else from a tie-in like that?), and more that it completely failed to draw me, as a newcomer to the franchise who hadn't ever played the game, into the story. I felt like I was watching a summary of major events in the game minus the narrator. I could easily see adapting the story into something interesting--perhaps not a masterpiece, but still something worth watching--if they just didn't try to cram the whole story into something so short. Some exposition would be nice too.

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, for example, despite being a massive fanservice buffet, still had a self contained storyline that I (despite not having played much of FF7 either) could mostly follow. I may not have really liked the movie, although that's largely because I don't really find most of the FF7 cast to be all that interesting (oh, they're gonna lynch me for that comment), but at least the story was kept simple and open enough that I could keep up. I imagine it also helped that the story they were telling occurs after the end of the game, so they could more or less do whatever they want.

Oh, and black lincon, I rather liked Eureka 7. There were a few parts that were basically "press this button for dues ex machina," but that tends to happen in even the best of anime series (I'm looking at you, Fullmetal Alchemist). That said, I doubt we'll be reviewing it, since we are predominantly reviewing new DVD releases in the States. Unless they somehow haven't released a full collector's edition super box-set of doom yet.
 

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JoshV said:
I may not have really liked the movie, although that's largely because I don't really find most of the FF7 cast to be all that interesting (oh, they're gonna lynch me for that comment), but at least the story was kept simple and open enough that I could keep up.
I'm inclined to agree with you on this and, even though I was a big fan of the game back in the day, I find that it's actually a little on the godawful side if you stop viewing it through the rose-colored glasses of youth and nostalgia. This is coming from somebody that clocked a couple hundred hours on the game back when it was released.

That said, I doubt we'll be reviewing it, since we are predominantly reviewing new DVD releases in the States. Unless they somehow haven't released a full collector's edition super box-set of doom yet.
Amusingly, they are currently in the process of releasing two season box sets of the series. One of us might wind up with it after all. ;)
 

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Onmi said:
The only way you will get me to lynch you is if you review the now defunct 4kids edition of One Piece over the new and improved FUNimation (Oda Approved) version.

Seriously, like or hate the 4kids edition imma lynch you, take your job, and do it right.
Oh man, 4Kids is like Sony Online Entertainment, they break everything they touch.
 

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Onmi said:
The only way you will get me to lynch you is if you review the now defunct 4kids edition of One Piece over the new and improved FUNimation (Oda Approved) version.

Seriously, like or hate the 4kids edition imma lynch you, take your job, and do it right.
If it makes you feel any better, the One Piece we have is Funimation. :p
 

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JoshV said:
I wouldn't necessarily say that RPGs make bad game to anime conversions either--it's just, if someone is going to do one, they need to go all out. Like I mentioned in the review, something like 13 or 26 episodes could work. But if they're absolutely stuck at four episodes, they need to not try to tell the whole story.
Well, As I've stated, the Disgaea anime ran 13 episodes, which admittedly was the amount they needed to tell the main story and a sidequest or two, and actually looking back at that anime in comparison with this Tales anime actually was better then most other RPG-to-anime conversions, but I think that may have been because Disgaea 1's storyline was short enough that the devs of the series were actually able to flesh things out a bit more then the characters were previously, plus the humor of the games were still there. They even chose one of the endings from the game:
The head angel wasn't killed, Laharl dies and is reincarnated as a prinny, and Flonn is ressurected as a fallen Angel
 

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I remember Phantasia. I usually just turned it on and listened to the music in the background. I never was a big fan of Mickey Mouse.
 

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Very nicely done Josh. I actually enjoyed reading your review. I probably won't bother watching this now, it doesn't sound very interesting.

By the way, if you do somehow get a time machine, your bringing me with you. I want donuts too!
 

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The only Tales of anime that I've consistantly seen was Vesperia. And that red head guy was a real douchebag. I have seen Tales of Symphonia and since i've played and beaten the first one I really didn't much care for it. Mostly it was a disapointment.

Btw how many Tales of are there?
Known Tales of:

Tales of Symphonia
Tales of Vesparia
Tales of Phantasia