Anime's You Find Overrated
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I don't even understand how they managed to fuck it up so badly.Hazy992 said:
Until that happened, it was fucking awesome, then it was just terrible.
R2. Motherfucking R2. I liked Code Geass R1. It was over the top and goofy, but it at least had a sense of pacing and a level of restraint. I liked the characters, it had some good action scenes as well as some nice subtle details, culminating in a pretty damn awesome climax cliffhanger of a last episode.
And then, within a single episode, R2 shit over that entire buildup completely. So we get to see a condensed repeat of R1 over the course of a few episodes before it actually gets back on track, but even here, it just gets stupider and stupider. It became less about the character dynamic between Suzaku and Lelouch, and more about what utter bullshit they could come up with next, including but not limited to murdering GOD.
And then, within a single episode, R2 shit over that entire buildup completely. So we get to see a condensed repeat of R1 over the course of a few episodes before it actually gets back on track, but even here, it just gets stupider and stupider. It became less about the character dynamic between Suzaku and Lelouch, and more about what utter bullshit they could come up with next, including but not limited to murdering GOD.
Anime is just like every other piece of entertainment: There's a lot of crap. To say all Anime is garbage would be grossly narrow minded, but I know people who act like all Anime is perfect and there's no such thing as a bad Anime, to the point where they ignore everything else because it wasn't animated in Japan.
What I'm trying to say is I sometimes find Anime as a whole is overrated.
What I'm trying to say is I sometimes find Anime as a whole is overrated.
Yeah R2 sucked in some aspects but to me it didn't matter because it, and by extension I,was having fun. It was bombastic and a thrill to watch. It made the wait the watch the next episode agonizing.Soviet Heavy said:
OT:Lucky Star,I was just really bored and never laughed. I'd rather watch Hidamri sketch.
Vampire knight: I may end up sounding like a naive idiot but wow this is stupid. It's mostly from our female lead,don't worry this is not just her burden to bear. She keeps charging in only to get saved.They give her a weapon that is never useful and ends up out of her hands in a minute.The main vampire is a manipulative twat and everyone else is generically good looking dull. The plot is passable but the love triangle lacks any spark or compatibility between the characters. It's vampire rules are even sillier than Twilight's and seem like a really forced metaphor for sex. Overall just a really stupid Shojo show.
A few are subverted in yes I could call them overrated and they are but I still love them: NGE,Madoka and TTGL.
I'm sure you've all seen my posts on the subject at hand, so let me surprise you.
Neon Genesis Evangelion.
I watched it again after a while the other day, and began to notice everything everyone was complaining about. Shinji's a whiny little ***** 'cause his Dad doesn't love him. Asuka delves further and further into insanity (and ultimately a coma) because she's a stuck up *****. And Rei was given no personality whatsoever.
But, I still enjoyed it.
Neon Genesis Evangelion.
I watched it again after a while the other day, and began to notice everything everyone was complaining about. Shinji's a whiny little ***** 'cause his Dad doesn't love him. Asuka delves further and further into insanity (and ultimately a coma) because she's a stuck up *****. And Rei was given no personality whatsoever.
But, I still enjoyed it.
All of it? Okay, that's not true. I will say that the vast majority of anime that get high reviews are utter crap. I can fully accept that that's because the majority of anime review sites hire terrible reviewers. A few recent ones:
- Black Butler: I wasn't told its genre before I started watching. The first episode made it look like a horror-ish version of xxxholic. I don't think it's fair to criticise it for its genre so I'll criticise everything else about it. There are so many plot-holes it hurts (See first conflict between Grell and the butler, particularly how inconsistent the strength of the butler's coat is or maybe how the apparently ace-sniper maid couldn't recognise someone's attempt to snipe her master). The butler's mystical McGuffin powers are stupid, usually ensuring that everything shown on screen was pointless to the plot. The humour was awkward at best and absolutely annoying at worst.
- Fairytale: A remarkably annoying cast of characters. I could only last three episodes. Also again with inconsistent show logic (Ah hah! This oddly-specific magic pan reflects fire magic so I'll reflect/block your first shot but panic and let myself get hit by the second for no apparent reason).
- I want to say Bleach, but I don't think anyone rates it highly, even if they still watch it. So instead I'll say Hellsing. It's mind-numbing and not in a fun action way.
- Clannad: Controversial, I know, but 3 episodes and it's painfully obvious that the main woman is oversensitive and useless and the man is an emo bully (Yeah, its okay to mock/tease the blonde guy but the second he hints you may like someone you get huffy and whiny). Bleh.
I wish there were some good anime reviewers that had some taste! D:<
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I loved Baccano's first episode~! I'll admit the anime isn't for everyone, but my favourites never are. xD
- Black Butler: I wasn't told its genre before I started watching. The first episode made it look like a horror-ish version of xxxholic. I don't think it's fair to criticise it for its genre so I'll criticise everything else about it. There are so many plot-holes it hurts (See first conflict between Grell and the butler, particularly how inconsistent the strength of the butler's coat is or maybe how the apparently ace-sniper maid couldn't recognise someone's attempt to snipe her master). The butler's mystical McGuffin powers are stupid, usually ensuring that everything shown on screen was pointless to the plot. The humour was awkward at best and absolutely annoying at worst.
- Fairytale: A remarkably annoying cast of characters. I could only last three episodes. Also again with inconsistent show logic (Ah hah! This oddly-specific magic pan reflects fire magic so I'll reflect/block your first shot but panic and let myself get hit by the second for no apparent reason).
- I want to say Bleach, but I don't think anyone rates it highly, even if they still watch it. So instead I'll say Hellsing. It's mind-numbing and not in a fun action way.
- Clannad: Controversial, I know, but 3 episodes and it's painfully obvious that the main woman is oversensitive and useless and the man is an emo bully (Yeah, its okay to mock/tease the blonde guy but the second he hints you may like someone you get huffy and whiny). Bleh.
I wish there were some good anime reviewers that had some taste! D:<
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I loved Baccano's first episode~! I'll admit the anime isn't for everyone, but my favourites never are. xD
Bleach.
started out great, as soon as they hit soul society it kinda took a nosedive (sorry but "feudal japanese village" just doesnt sate my appetite for surrealism it had evoked so far) but was still interesting, then it goes on and you realize that grand thing it built up to has no payoff whatsoever.
It also plays the "damsel in distress" plot 2. fucking. times. with a straight face (at least I counted 2 until I stopped following it) and has the most bland, mary sue-ish, pointless villain ever.
started out great, as soon as they hit soul society it kinda took a nosedive (sorry but "feudal japanese village" just doesnt sate my appetite for surrealism it had evoked so far) but was still interesting, then it goes on and you realize that grand thing it built up to has no payoff whatsoever.
It also plays the "damsel in distress" plot 2. fucking. times. with a straight face (at least I counted 2 until I stopped following it) and has the most bland, mary sue-ish, pointless villain ever.
I agree on Haruhi, i never got the hype about that story, and endless eight made me drop it outright.
If you sometime get the motivation to watch it and liked it, i would also recommend Durara which is made by the same guys.
That was a problem created by the sheer number of characters and time skips. It's dealt with pretty well for the most part, but it comes at the price of a weak beginning when you are thrown in into the action with all these characters. As you continue to watch it all of the plotpoints will be wrapped up nicely.Raven said:
If you sometime get the motivation to watch it and liked it, i would also recommend Durara which is made by the same guys.
It is, the movie was barely the story of the first volume.[Kira Must Die said:
While i agree the story got worse after that part i still liked the second half of Death Note. The ending however was awfull and completely out of character for Light.Daystar Clarion said:
If I was to be brutally honest I would say most Animes people have praised. Not trying to be especially cynical here, but the japanese animation industry, at least now, isn't exactly the paradigm of creative freedom.
Right, now before I have my ass chewed off, read what follows... I completely understand the draw to anime. They offer a wealth of themes, atmospheres and characters that most western animations won't touch due to their kid friendly production ethos. But I think most of this wealth only works as a novelty. Too few of the Animes I've seen (and I'm still watching animes to date) have actually made anything other then an aesthetic or narrative gimmick... they all fall into derivative plot twists or cookie cutter story arcs, conceptually great characters become angsty parodies of themselves (usually once their motivations have been revealed) making some of the more emotionally charge shows unbearable when their drive is something petty or shallow or ludicrously overwrought.
Oh and don't get me started on the stereotypical characters they like to stuff haphazardly into every god damn show. Nothing like a shallow piece of eyecandy or painfully whiney protagonist to completely detract from a weighty plot line or completely crap on a emotional sequence for simply being there.
I watched anime for years, following all 3 of the still running juggernauts (One Piece, Bleach and Naruto) and a few of the earlier ones like Dragon Ball. I've watched anime of completely different styles, qualities and even targeted demographics. From Sailor Moon to Ergo Proxy, Elfin Lied to Toradora and possibly hundreds more of equally distinctive shows.
Don't get me wrong, some of my all time favourite pieces of media have come from Anime... not all of them do what I said above. But a lot do to some degree and there are other issues which I haven't touched on. I have also done quite a bit of research on the Anime industry and there are things I learned that have jaded my enthusiasm towards it...
I just can't take a favorable stance towards Anime anymore.
Right, now before I have my ass chewed off, read what follows... I completely understand the draw to anime. They offer a wealth of themes, atmospheres and characters that most western animations won't touch due to their kid friendly production ethos. But I think most of this wealth only works as a novelty. Too few of the Animes I've seen (and I'm still watching animes to date) have actually made anything other then an aesthetic or narrative gimmick... they all fall into derivative plot twists or cookie cutter story arcs, conceptually great characters become angsty parodies of themselves (usually once their motivations have been revealed) making some of the more emotionally charge shows unbearable when their drive is something petty or shallow or ludicrously overwrought.
Oh and don't get me started on the stereotypical characters they like to stuff haphazardly into every god damn show. Nothing like a shallow piece of eyecandy or painfully whiney protagonist to completely detract from a weighty plot line or completely crap on a emotional sequence for simply being there.
I watched anime for years, following all 3 of the still running juggernauts (One Piece, Bleach and Naruto) and a few of the earlier ones like Dragon Ball. I've watched anime of completely different styles, qualities and even targeted demographics. From Sailor Moon to Ergo Proxy, Elfin Lied to Toradora and possibly hundreds more of equally distinctive shows.
Don't get me wrong, some of my all time favourite pieces of media have come from Anime... not all of them do what I said above. But a lot do to some degree and there are other issues which I haven't touched on. I have also done quite a bit of research on the Anime industry and there are things I learned that have jaded my enthusiasm towards it...
I just can't take a favorable stance towards Anime anymore.
CowBoy Bebop
It is quirky and different and is sometimes entertaining, but everyone advertised it as Gods gift to anime.
From what I gathered they are just bounty hunters who barley catch anyone or something. I watched up to episode 9, then stopped because it was on youtube and I do not want to risk, get virus' online, I mean get anime online websites.
I like Steve Blum as Spike and the other characters were good it just didn't, do all that much for me.
It is quirky and different and is sometimes entertaining, but everyone advertised it as Gods gift to anime.
From what I gathered they are just bounty hunters who barley catch anyone or something. I watched up to episode 9, then stopped because it was on youtube and I do not want to risk, get virus' online, I mean get anime online websites.
I like Steve Blum as Spike and the other characters were good it just didn't, do all that much for me.
- Death note took the nose dive of the century after "that" happened.
- The melocholy of Suzumiya Haruhi is actually pretty damn awful in general.
- Bleach had a single halfway decent season (the first one), then slowly became unbearable.
- I can't even watch more than ten episodes of Naruto before falling into a coma.
- Dokuro chan is basically a mish mash of over the top death scenes of an anime desperately trying to be funny.
Unfortunately, I came across these series in this specific order. Started with Full Metal Alchemist, an anime I really enjoyed, then went on to death note, whose first half sucked me in. Then everything went to shit and stayed there, which is the reason why I stopped watching anime as a whole. I'm sure there are tons of anime series that are really thought provoking, emotional, deep or whatever, but I don't have a trustworthy source that could point these out for me.
- The melocholy of Suzumiya Haruhi is actually pretty damn awful in general.
- Bleach had a single halfway decent season (the first one), then slowly became unbearable.
- I can't even watch more than ten episodes of Naruto before falling into a coma.
- Dokuro chan is basically a mish mash of over the top death scenes of an anime desperately trying to be funny.
Unfortunately, I came across these series in this specific order. Started with Full Metal Alchemist, an anime I really enjoyed, then went on to death note, whose first half sucked me in. Then everything went to shit and stayed there, which is the reason why I stopped watching anime as a whole. I'm sure there are tons of anime series that are really thought provoking, emotional, deep or whatever, but I don't have a trustworthy source that could point these out for me.
Popular due to the visual novel, really? most people I've seen who know about it have only watched the anime, which is as you say, incredibly mediocre.[Kira Must Die said:
Speaking of which, OT: Fate/Zero. I'm kind of interested of what the anime only watchers of Fate/Stay Night thought of this; I don't see it being anywhere near as captivating without the novel. Kirei's detachedness must be boring without Heaven's Feel. And the fight scenes are so slow and uninteresting; the only servants I feel who could stand a chance against the visual novel's servants are Gilgamesh and Berserker, all the others seem so incredibly weak. Though the music is fantastic, but it's done by Yuki Kajiura, so of course it is. I still love it and squeal at various things (how much I hate kiritsugu, where Azoth Sword came from, et cetera), I just think that without the context of Heaven's Feel it isn't anywhere near as good, and thus overrated by everyone else.
Though I could be wrong, I can't watch more than 2 minutes of the anime at a time without giving myself a concussion at how much they got/did wrong, so maybe the context is there. Not sure if that's a good thing, or a bad thing.
Also, every shonen (but that's my great dislike of them coming in), with special mention to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and Blue Exorcist. They were not the equivalent of the second coming as christ as I was led to believe, I thought they were alright and mediocre respectively, from what I could watch. Death Note was perfect until you know when, and after it was finished playing in its own mess it didn't really come out properly. If Near was the criminal and Mello was the detective, it would of been really enjoyable, instead of just... repetitive.
And screw Endless Eight. I was watching that show when it was airing, and having to come back every week to that... mess. I was enjoying TMOHS, why did you take that from me world?
Yeah, gotta sound in with the chorus here, Bleach went off a fucking cliff. And it got even worse in the anime than in the manga with all the filler. Then again, is it really overrated if the general consensus at this point is that at one point it started sucking?
I still get mild enjoyment out of Naruto's manga. The anime goes at such a snail's pace that I can't stand it in the least. And while I love One Piece, I think that the anime also does drag at spots as well.
I also couldn't get into Fairy Tale. It wasn't even that I thought it was awful, it's that it just didn't interest me.
I still get mild enjoyment out of Naruto's manga. The anime goes at such a snail's pace that I can't stand it in the least. And while I love One Piece, I think that the anime also does drag at spots as well.
I also couldn't get into Fairy Tale. It wasn't even that I thought it was awful, it's that it just didn't interest me.
I will number my discussions of different series so you know where they start.
1. I enjoyed TMOHS as a kind of more interesting slice of life anime.
My attitude to slice of life can be described as an analogy of the 'slice' refering to a slice of cake.
Everyone enjoys cake. There is probably no time where you are hungry and you would say no to cake. But, you are probably going to get more out of something else.
I was so annoyed with the Endless Eight. Mostly with that way it concluded since I was expecting some solution from the idea that "Haruhi must've been tellling us something", and we ended up with a random ending with nothing accomplished. However I enjoyed Kyon's several references to other anime during those episodes.
The movie was my favourite movie. I enjoyed the series for the most part and would say I'm a fan of the series, but the movie just makes everything else feel like a build up to it, because the only downside to the movie is that you have to watch the whole series first. I would have to make someone watch all the episodes and endure the endless eight, just to show them my favourite movie. The movie even brought me to tears.
2. I enjoyed the ending to Death Note. I thought it was great for making sure fangirls of either side would feel satisfied. Death Note was a good series because it wasn't black and white. Usually in a series we presume whom ever to have won to be in the right, or if the villain won, for the creator to bring out the emotions of that moment in a negative way. With the ending there's no defnintive win, showing how neither view will ultimately win, since both sides will continue to exist. If the antagonist won, the show would be over, and we'd have to either experience an ending of "YOUR OPINION IS WRONG!", or an uncomfortable ending that would try to play to Light's redemption from his insanity. If the protagonist simply won and it was over, you'd get the same ending possibilities only reversed. But since it carries on and they both lose, it shows the instability of their moral attitudes. Both ideas will continue to exist, as we see L as the person of more accepted opinion, and we also see that people were quite willing to follow Kira. Unfortunately since most people prefer one character they found it to be awful. I can agree that Mello and Near are weaker, but they added their own dynamic and were necessary for this message.
As for series I find overrated. This will be hard for me to think.
I'd probably say Evangelion. Not because Shinji is whiny, or because it's too pretentious, but because I was just bored after the fifth episode.
I'm one of those people who say to people who find certian characters whiny "Well, I suppose you'd be completely emotionally stable and courageous in this position?". Shinji was ignore by his father, left alone, and then randomly called on to carry the fate of humanity. HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU FEEL AS HIM?
I am aware that whiny characters can be annoying, but you can't say it's not expected.
I like the Rebuild movies though, but they don't even explain why the children have to do it.
I guess Bleach can count. I don't think it's bad. I just got bored around episode 80 something.
I think Akira may be classed as overrated, but that's often defended with "the source material was better". But it just had so many unanswered questions, and the ending didn't even give closure as it ends with a bunch of people saying half sentences. Also, I felt like I may need to watch the end of Evangelion to regain my sanity after watching the end of Akira.
Code Geass R2 had a bad build up to an ending. The ending itself was ok, but the 5 or so episodes leading up to that left so many questions in my head. So...Suzaku joined Lelouch because...reasons?
I don't tend to hate things, or find them overrated as much as I simply get bored of them enough to stop.
1. I enjoyed TMOHS as a kind of more interesting slice of life anime.
My attitude to slice of life can be described as an analogy of the 'slice' refering to a slice of cake.
Everyone enjoys cake. There is probably no time where you are hungry and you would say no to cake. But, you are probably going to get more out of something else.
I was so annoyed with the Endless Eight. Mostly with that way it concluded since I was expecting some solution from the idea that "Haruhi must've been tellling us something", and we ended up with a random ending with nothing accomplished. However I enjoyed Kyon's several references to other anime during those episodes.
The movie was my favourite movie. I enjoyed the series for the most part and would say I'm a fan of the series, but the movie just makes everything else feel like a build up to it, because the only downside to the movie is that you have to watch the whole series first. I would have to make someone watch all the episodes and endure the endless eight, just to show them my favourite movie. The movie even brought me to tears.
2. I enjoyed the ending to Death Note. I thought it was great for making sure fangirls of either side would feel satisfied. Death Note was a good series because it wasn't black and white. Usually in a series we presume whom ever to have won to be in the right, or if the villain won, for the creator to bring out the emotions of that moment in a negative way. With the ending there's no defnintive win, showing how neither view will ultimately win, since both sides will continue to exist. If the antagonist won, the show would be over, and we'd have to either experience an ending of "YOUR OPINION IS WRONG!", or an uncomfortable ending that would try to play to Light's redemption from his insanity. If the protagonist simply won and it was over, you'd get the same ending possibilities only reversed. But since it carries on and they both lose, it shows the instability of their moral attitudes. Both ideas will continue to exist, as we see L as the person of more accepted opinion, and we also see that people were quite willing to follow Kira. Unfortunately since most people prefer one character they found it to be awful. I can agree that Mello and Near are weaker, but they added their own dynamic and were necessary for this message.
As for series I find overrated. This will be hard for me to think.
I'd probably say Evangelion. Not because Shinji is whiny, or because it's too pretentious, but because I was just bored after the fifth episode.
I'm one of those people who say to people who find certian characters whiny "Well, I suppose you'd be completely emotionally stable and courageous in this position?". Shinji was ignore by his father, left alone, and then randomly called on to carry the fate of humanity. HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU FEEL AS HIM?
I am aware that whiny characters can be annoying, but you can't say it's not expected.
I like the Rebuild movies though, but they don't even explain why the children have to do it.
I guess Bleach can count. I don't think it's bad. I just got bored around episode 80 something.
I think Akira may be classed as overrated, but that's often defended with "the source material was better". But it just had so many unanswered questions, and the ending didn't even give closure as it ends with a bunch of people saying half sentences. Also, I felt like I may need to watch the end of Evangelion to regain my sanity after watching the end of Akira.
Code Geass R2 had a bad build up to an ending. The ending itself was ok, but the 5 or so episodes leading up to that left so many questions in my head. So...Suzaku joined Lelouch because...reasons?
I don't tend to hate things, or find them overrated as much as I simply get bored of them enough to stop.
