Anita Sarkeesian "I'm not a fan of gaming" leaked 2010 video reveals

[SuperScrub]

Woah woah woah, isn't it a little harsh to compare her with the public enemy number one of gaming? Because I mean she's not always easy to agree with but she's not that disagreeable.

Considering she claimed that women getting killed in games would encourage domestic violence. Is it really that hard to see why people would compare her to him?

I don't remember her saying that. Can you refresh my memory with the video in which she said that?

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Specific quote and context, please?

I don't remember her saying that. Can you refresh my memory with the video in which she said that?

Second TvT video, it's hard to miss.

These stories conjure supernatural situations in which domestic violence perpetrated by men against women who?ve ?lost control of themselves? not only appears justified but is actually presented as an altruistic act done ?for the woman?s own good?.
Of course, if you look at any of these games in isolation, you will be able to find incidental narrative circumstances that can be used to explain away the inclusion of violence against women as a plot device. But just because a particular event might ?makes sense? within the internal logic of a fictional narrative ? that doesn?t, in and of itself justify its use. Games don?t exist in a vacuum and therefore can?t be divorced from the larger cultural context of the real world.

It?s especially troubling in-light of the serious real life epidemic of violence against women facing the female population on this planet. Every 9 seconds a woman is assaulted or beaten in the United States and on average more than three women are murdered by their boyfriends husbands, or ex-partners every single day. Research consistently shows that people of all genders tend to buy into the myth that women are the ones to blame for the violence men perpetrate against them. In the same vein, abusive men consistently state that their female targets ?deserved it?, ?wanted it? or were ?asking for it?,

Given the reality of that larger cultural context, it should go without saying that it?s dangerously irresponsible to be creating games in which players are encouraged and even required to perform violence against women in order to ?save them?.

Jog your memory? Please give me a good show of trying to explain this one away. This one always generates the more interesting excuses.

 

[SuperScrub]

Specific quote and context, please?

I don't remember her saying that. Can you refresh my memory with the video in which she said that?

Second TvT video, it's hard to miss.

These stories conjure supernatural situations in which domestic violence perpetrated by men against women who?ve ?lost control of themselves? not only appears justified but is actually presented as an altruistic act done ?for the woman?s own good?.
Of course, if you look at any of these games in isolation, you will be able to find incidental narrative circumstances that can be used to explain away the inclusion of violence against women as a plot device. But just because a particular event might ?makes sense? within the internal logic of a fictional narrative ? that doesn?t, in and of itself justify its use. Games don?t exist in a vacuum and therefore can?t be divorced from the larger cultural context of the real world.

It?s especially troubling in-light of the serious real life epidemic of violence against women facing the female population on this planet. Every 9 seconds a woman is assaulted or beaten in the United States and on average more than three women are murdered by their boyfriends husbands, or ex-partners every single day. Research consistently shows that people of all genders tend to buy into the myth that women are the ones to blame for the violence men perpetrate against them. In the same vein, abusive men consistently state that their female targets ?deserved it?, ?wanted it? or were ?asking for it?,

Given the reality of that larger cultural context, it should go without saying that it?s dangerously irresponsible to be creating games in which players are encouraged and even required to perform violence against women in order to ?save them?.

Jog your memory? Please give me a good show of trying to explain this one away. This one always generates the more interesting excuses.

Well I never said I agreed with everything she said, she is right about one thing though, Games don't exist in a vacuum and they can have an less than positive effect on society the difference between Jack Thompson and Anita is that Jack Thompson sought to censor and ban video games and Anita seeks change in the way video games portray 50 percent of the population through some mildly educational if somewhat boring video lectures that has sparked interesting debate all over the internet. And all I have to say, is that so wrong?

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Specific quote and context, please?

I don't remember her saying that. Can you refresh my memory with the video in which she said that?

Second TvT video, it's hard to miss.

These stories conjure supernatural situations in which domestic violence perpetrated by men against women who?ve ?lost control of themselves? not only appears justified but is actually presented as an altruistic act done ?for the woman?s own good?.
Of course, if you look at any of these games in isolation, you will be able to find incidental narrative circumstances that can be used to explain away the inclusion of violence against women as a plot device. But just because a particular event might ?makes sense? within the internal logic of a fictional narrative ? that doesn?t, in and of itself justify its use. Games don?t exist in a vacuum and therefore can?t be divorced from the larger cultural context of the real world.

It?s especially troubling in-light of the serious real life epidemic of violence against women facing the female population on this planet. Every 9 seconds a woman is assaulted or beaten in the United States and on average more than three women are murdered by their boyfriends husbands, or ex-partners every single day. Research consistently shows that people of all genders tend to buy into the myth that women are the ones to blame for the violence men perpetrate against them. In the same vein, abusive men consistently state that their female targets ?deserved it?, ?wanted it? or were ?asking for it?,

Given the reality of that larger cultural context, it should go without saying that it?s dangerously irresponsible to be creating games in which players are encouraged and even required to perform violence against women in order to ?save them?.

Jog your memory? Please give me a good show of trying to explain this one away. This one always generates the more interesting excuses.

Well I never said I agreed with everything she said, she is right about one thing though, Games don't exist in a vacuum and they can have an less than positive effect on society the difference between Jack Thompson and Anita is that Jack Thompson sought to censor and ban video games and Anita seeks change in the way video games portray 50 percent of the population through some mildly educational if somewhat boring video lectures that has sparked interesting debate all over the internet. And all I have to say, is that so wrong?

So you agree that she's using the same argument as Thompson about video-game violence causing real life violence?

 

[SuperScrub]

Specific quote and context, please?

I don't remember her saying that. Can you refresh my memory with the video in which she said that?

Second TvT video, it's hard to miss.

These stories conjure supernatural situations in which domestic violence perpetrated by men against women who?ve ?lost control of themselves? not only appears justified but is actually presented as an altruistic act done ?for the woman?s own good?.
Of course, if you look at any of these games in isolation, you will be able to find incidental narrative circumstances that can be used to explain away the inclusion of violence against women as a plot device. But just because a particular event might ?makes sense? within the internal logic of a fictional narrative ? that doesn?t, in and of itself justify its use. Games don?t exist in a vacuum and therefore can?t be divorced from the larger cultural context of the real world.

It?s especially troubling in-light of the serious real life epidemic of violence against women facing the female population on this planet. Every 9 seconds a woman is assaulted or beaten in the United States and on average more than three women are murdered by their boyfriends husbands, or ex-partners every single day. Research consistently shows that people of all genders tend to buy into the myth that women are the ones to blame for the violence men perpetrate against them. In the same vein, abusive men consistently state that their female targets ?deserved it?, ?wanted it? or were ?asking for it?,

Given the reality of that larger cultural context, it should go without saying that it?s dangerously irresponsible to be creating games in which players are encouraged and even required to perform violence against women in order to ?save them?.

Jog your memory? Please give me a good show of trying to explain this one away. This one always generates the more interesting excuses.

Well I never said I agreed with everything she said, she is right about one thing though, Games don't exist in a vacuum and they can have an less than positive effect on society the difference between Jack Thompson and Anita is that Jack Thompson sought to censor and ban video games and Anita seeks change in the way video games portray 50 percent of the population through some mildly educational if somewhat boring video lectures that has sparked interesting debate all over the internet. And all I have to say, is that so wrong?

So you agree that she's using the same argument as Thompson about video-game violence causing real life violence?

Why with the twisting of my words W.H.C.M, but yes I think she's using an argue similar but not quite the same. It's not like she's saying that video games outright encourage violence against women it's just that she's saying that video games no longer exist inside a vacuum and can either be a force for good or bad and when video games use outdated tropes like the DiD trope it can have negative effects on society, and unlike Jack Thompson she isn't using her arguments to ban games only to change the way females are portrayed.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Specific quote and context, please?

I don't remember her saying that. Can you refresh my memory with the video in which she said that?

Second TvT video, it's hard to miss.

These stories conjure supernatural situations in which domestic violence perpetrated by men against women who?ve ?lost control of themselves? not only appears justified but is actually presented as an altruistic act done ?for the woman?s own good?.
Of course, if you look at any of these games in isolation, you will be able to find incidental narrative circumstances that can be used to explain away the inclusion of violence against women as a plot device. But just because a particular event might ?makes sense? within the internal logic of a fictional narrative ? that doesn?t, in and of itself justify its use. Games don?t exist in a vacuum and therefore can?t be divorced from the larger cultural context of the real world.

It?s especially troubling in-light of the serious real life epidemic of violence against women facing the female population on this planet. Every 9 seconds a woman is assaulted or beaten in the United States and on average more than three women are murdered by their boyfriends husbands, or ex-partners every single day. Research consistently shows that people of all genders tend to buy into the myth that women are the ones to blame for the violence men perpetrate against them. In the same vein, abusive men consistently state that their female targets ?deserved it?, ?wanted it? or were ?asking for it?,

Given the reality of that larger cultural context, it should go without saying that it?s dangerously irresponsible to be creating games in which players are encouraged and even required to perform violence against women in order to ?save them?.

Jog your memory? Please give me a good show of trying to explain this one away. This one always generates the more interesting excuses.

Well I never said I agreed with everything she said, she is right about one thing though, Games don't exist in a vacuum and they can have an less than positive effect on society the difference between Jack Thompson and Anita is that Jack Thompson sought to censor and ban video games and Anita seeks change in the way video games portray 50 percent of the population through some mildly educational if somewhat boring video lectures that has sparked interesting debate all over the internet. And all I have to say, is that so wrong?

So you agree that she's using the same argument as Thompson about video-game violence causing real life violence?

Why with the twisting of my words W.H.C.M, but yes I think she's using an argue similar but not quite the same.

It's not twisting your words if I'm asking you whether that's what you think or not. Now for something else.

What makes you think I'm white? What makes you think I'm heterosexual? What makes you think I'm "cis gendered"? You have absolutely nothing to substantiate it which makes you calling anyone on this form W.H.C.M. look childish. Like a kid using a swear word to look more grown up even though they don't know what it means.

 

[SuperScrub]

Specific quote and context, please?

I don't remember her saying that. Can you refresh my memory with the video in which she said that?

Second TvT video, it's hard to miss.

These stories conjure supernatural situations in which domestic violence perpetrated by men against women who?ve ?lost control of themselves? not only appears justified but is actually presented as an altruistic act done ?for the woman?s own good?.
Of course, if you look at any of these games in isolation, you will be able to find incidental narrative circumstances that can be used to explain away the inclusion of violence against women as a plot device. But just because a particular event might ?makes sense? within the internal logic of a fictional narrative ? that doesn?t, in and of itself justify its use. Games don?t exist in a vacuum and therefore can?t be divorced from the larger cultural context of the real world.

It?s especially troubling in-light of the serious real life epidemic of violence against women facing the female population on this planet. Every 9 seconds a woman is assaulted or beaten in the United States and on average more than three women are murdered by their boyfriends husbands, or ex-partners every single day. Research consistently shows that people of all genders tend to buy into the myth that women are the ones to blame for the violence men perpetrate against them. In the same vein, abusive men consistently state that their female targets ?deserved it?, ?wanted it? or were ?asking for it?,

Given the reality of that larger cultural context, it should go without saying that it?s dangerously irresponsible to be creating games in which players are encouraged and even required to perform violence against women in order to ?save them?.

Jog your memory? Please give me a good show of trying to explain this one away. This one always generates the more interesting excuses.

Well I never said I agreed with everything she said, she is right about one thing though, Games don't exist in a vacuum and they can have an less than positive effect on society the difference between Jack Thompson and Anita is that Jack Thompson sought to censor and ban video games and Anita seeks change in the way video games portray 50 percent of the population through some mildly educational if somewhat boring video lectures that has sparked interesting debate all over the internet. And all I have to say, is that so wrong?

So you agree that she's using the same argument as Thompson about video-game violence causing real life violence?

Why with the twisting of my words W.H.C.M, but yes I think she's using an argue similar but not quite the same. It's not like she's saying that video games outright encourage violence against women it's just that she's saying that video games no longer exist inside a vacuum and can either be a force for good or bad and when video games use outdated tropes like the DiD trope it can have negative effects on society, and unlike Jack Thompson she isn't using her arguments to ban games only to change the way females are portrayed.

Good. Now for something else.

What makes you think I'm white? What makes you think I'm heterosexual? What makes you think I'm "cis gendered"? You have absolutely nothing to substantiate it which makes you calling anyone on this form W.H.C.M. look childish. Like a kid using a swear word to look more grown up even though they don't know what it means.

I never said it was meant to be an insult or a bad thing to be a W.H.C.M because if I really wanted it to be an insult I would have said White Heterosexual Cisgenedered Fat Virginal male (W.H.C.F.V.M) I'm just taking a guess at your race, sexual orientation, gender identity, and sex. Besides there's nothing inherently wrong with being a W.H.C.M it's just that when they cry foul on anyone that isn't a W.H.C.M approaching on their scared gaming place seeking change in the way they're portrayed, they act like they're a Black, Homosexual, Transexual, Woman (B.H.T.W) who fears that the Ku Klux Klan is going to lynch him. This gaming market will always have a place for W.H.C.Ms to play and develop video games the question is whether or not we can be more inclusive about who we let into our little funhouse.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

I never said it was meant to be an insult or a bad thing to be a W.H.C.M

Then if it's not an insult and you have no knowledge of my race, sexuality, and "mental gender", then stop calling me that. I prefer people refer to me by my name, Specter.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

I never said it was meant to be an insult or a bad thing to be a W.H.C.M

Then if it's not an insult and you have no knowledge of my race, sexuality, and "mental gender", then stop calling me that. I prefer people refer to me by my name, Specter.

Oh you're a spectre? Does this mean you're going to stop the Reapers and fornicate with a hot blue alien girl because if you do I want pictures.

Once again, I'll ask. Will you please refer to me by my name?

 

[Ticklefist]

If women feel empowered by her that's fine. Confident women are sexy. If they take it too far and become rude and demanding women then they'll get kicked to the curb like the overbearing bitches they've become. Status quo unchanged.

Edit: Posted before realizing the discussion had gone to the cuckoo clubhouse.

 

[Tony2077]

If women feel empowered by her that's fine. Confident women are sexy. If they take it too far and become rude and demanding women then they'll get kicked to the curb like the overbearing bitches they've become. Status quo unchanged.

Edit: Posted before realizing the discussion had gone to the cuckoo clubhouse.

it's funny they want equality yet some of them take after the worst we have to offer

 

[SuperScrub]

If women feel empowered by her that's fine. Confident women are sexy. If they take it too far and become rude and demanding women then they'll get kicked to the curb like the overbearing bitches they've become. Status quo unchanged.

Edit: Posted before realizing the discussion had gone to the cuckoo clubhouse.

It's a madhouse and everybody is invited until the mods close down this thread and Anita's detractors find "evidence" of her burning a Nintendo Entertainment System or something equally asinine and open a thread about that.

 

[Tony2077]

If women feel empowered by her that's fine. Confident women are sexy. If they take it too far and become rude and demanding women then they'll get kicked to the curb like the overbearing bitches they've become. Status quo unchanged.

Edit: Posted before realizing the discussion had gone to the cuckoo clubhouse.

It's a madhouse and everybody is invited until the mods close down this thread and Anita's detractors find "evidence" of her burning a Nintendo Entertainment System or something equally asinine and open a thread about that.

well they will find something even if they have to make it up. i think that this trope despite the bad points is needed not all female characters can be strong and take out all the antagonists

 

[SuperScrub]

If women feel empowered by her that's fine. Confident women are sexy. If they take it too far and become rude and demanding women then they'll get kicked to the curb like the overbearing bitches they've become. Status quo unchanged.

Edit: Posted before realizing the discussion had gone to the cuckoo clubhouse.

It's a madhouse and everybody is invited until the mods close down this thread and Anita's detractors find "evidence" of her burning a Nintendo Entertainment System or something equally asinine and open a thread about that.

well they will find something even if they have to make it up. i think that this trope despite the bad points is needed not all female characters can be strong and take out all the antagonists

But wouldn't you agree that it has been used so much that it's starting to become a cliche?

 

[Tony2077]

If women feel empowered by her that's fine. Confident women are sexy. If they take it too far and become rude and demanding women then they'll get kicked to the curb like the overbearing bitches they've become. Status quo unchanged.

Edit: Posted before realizing the discussion had gone to the cuckoo clubhouse.

It's a madhouse and everybody is invited until the mods close down this thread and Anita's detractors find "evidence" of her burning a Nintendo Entertainment System or something equally asinine and open a thread about that.

well they will find something even if they have to make it up. i think that this trope despite the bad points is needed not all female characters can be strong and take out all the antagonists

But wouldn't you agree that it has been used so much that it's starting to become a cliche?

yes but its not as bad as some tropes out there. i'm trying to think of the last game with the trope i've played but nothing jumps out and says hello

 

[Robert Marrs]

My opinion on her like most people has been pretty much the same from day one and is unlikely to change. I will chime in anyways though. Its obvious to me at least she is using the whole thing as a money grab. Evidence that points to her not even playing video games even though she claims she always did, advertising her kickstarter on pages like 4chan and then using the backlash (something anyone with a brain would expect regardless of the subject matter) as a "see look people are bullying me!", her apparent lack of knowledge when it comes to the content of games, and of course the stealing of footage. Not to mention she already had a youtube channel. Why did she need a kickstarter at all let alone the massive amount of money she received. The whole thing smells fishy and all of those things are enough to make me at least suspect she is just using the hyper sensitive mentality of internet feminists to cash in. She never needed even close to what she was asking for to make a few ill-informed and dishonest videos on the subject of women and video games.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

I never said it was meant to be an insult or a bad thing to be a W.H.C.M

Then if it's not an insult and you have no knowledge of my race, sexuality, and "mental gender", then stop calling me that. I prefer people refer to me by my name, Specter.

Oh you're a spectre? Does this mean you're going to stop the Reapers and fornicate with a hot blue alien girl because if you do I want pictures.

Once again, I'll ask. Will you please refer to me by my name?

Say pretty pretty please with a sugar cane on top?

I'm not going to demean myself by pandering to your childishness. I ask again. Please, refer to me by my name.

 

[SuperScrub]

I never said it was meant to be an insult or a bad thing to be a W.H.C.M

Then if it's not an insult and you have no knowledge of my race, sexuality, and "mental gender", then stop calling me that. I prefer people refer to me by my name, Specter.

Oh you're a spectre? Does this mean you're going to stop the Reapers and fornicate with a hot blue alien girl because if you do I want pictures.

Once again, I'll ask. Will you please refer to me by my name?

Say pretty pretty please with a sugar cane on top?

I'm not going to demean myself by pandering to your childishness. I ask again. Please, refer to me by my name.

Okay I'll refer to you by your name you Noble (Von) Pack of Ghostly (Specter) Mules (Baren).

 

[Specter Von Baren]

You know the guy who made the video made another one. Saying it was an edited cut made to make her look bad. Just MRA and sexist bait. And they, the makers of the video /b/ronies, did it on Anita's behalf.

We have jumped the shark.

Hhm... and after looking at this new video... I fail to see what the purpose of this all was. How exactly does this troll anyone? "Hey, I made you think this was evidence but it's not!" Okay... so what? Now everything is just the same as it was before the video and the only thing it's accomplished is waste the time of her supporters and detractors. (Shrugs) Guess that's it for this thread.

 

[SuperScrub]

You know the guy who made the video made another one. Saying it was an edited cut made to make her look bad. Just MRA and sexist bait. And they, the makers of the video /b/ronies, did it on Anita's behalf.

We have jumped the shark.

*starts to laugh uproariously* OMG we've been trolled the escapist dedicated two threads to this bullshit video and we fell for it hook line and sinker. Oh man this has got to be some of the best trolling I've ever seen this side of Chris-Chan. Man I bet everyone saying that Anita wasn't a real gamer must feel worse than the rednecks who demanded to see Obamas birth certificate to prove he wasn't a real American only for his actual birth certificate to be posted online.