Anonymous Strikes Back, Hacks "Internet Security" Firm

[Simriel]

Arresting 40 members of anon

Is forty guys willing to squeal like pigs to get out of what their friends got them into. Except, in Anon, there are of course no friends. -

Every member is by the nature of the group anonymous. How can you rat out someone who you don't know?

If you think that, you've never met any Anons.

There is no one who has the "list"...there is no "list". But plenty of Anons know each other personally. Many joined as subgroups with similar likes. Others discovered one anothers' identities just by socializing AS Anons on various forums or even in gaming venues like TF2.

Example: a friend of mine is a SomethingAwful Goon. He brags about how many Anons he knows from the SA forums. Several of those game in the same circles as my friend, who games in the same circles I do.

There is no such thing, on the Internet, as someone who is truly anonymous. -

But these numbers are still inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Not to mention that a list of names is useless unless they can somehow tie these names to the DDoS attacks with prior evidence. It is not a crime to be part of the group. Nor is the word of a scared person in an interrogation room enough to even arrest without some other evidence.

i believe what they will do is declare AnonOps a criminal organisation, that way they could both arrest anyone thats even a member of it with no evidence of a crime and B attack the group and its assets with impunity, thats what i would do if I were the FBI not sure if it would work legaly though.

Trust me, if they can't arrest someone for being in the KKK till they commit a crime, they can't arrest people for being an Anon. And what assets? Anonymous doesn't HAVE assets.

 

[Jeffro Tull]

Anonymous... Are they still focused on protesting Scientology or have the branched out into other issues?

There are still people doing what they can with Scientology.

A big focus of the AnonOps side of Anonymous is now with Wikileaks and helping out with censorship in countries like Tunasia, Egypt, Italy etc.

I will be doing what I can to have an AnonOps (group) page created on wikipedia or have the Anonymous (group) page updated. Sure there is a bleed over but these are largely separate groups.

A lot of people research Anonymous on Wikipedia, just understand that is an Ok place to start your research, but its not really an OK place to draw conclusions from.

Here is an Anonymous manifesto: http://truthisrevolutionary.org/news/message-anonymous

These pages may be of interest if you are interested in wikileaks:
Operation Cablewiki: http://cablewiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page
Leakspin Sauce: http://leakspinsauce.ownu.net/

Yeah, I believe it's common knowledge that wikipedia blows as far as accuracy. I'm aware of what their movement stands for, I just wasn't sure if they were still actively protesting Scientology. Thanks for the info.

 

[Warped_Ghost]

A good enemy keeps you strong. A bad enemy just plain kills you.

 

[Calbeck]

But these numbers are still inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

Who cares? Anons are Anons because it's entertainment, not a mission.

All that needs happen is a number of Anons have the FBI show up on their doorstep. At that point, it stops being fun and becomes a hassle. More Anons go back to trolling and fewer decide to hook up with the activism side, because trolling has less legal baggage attached.

It doesn't even require a particular Anon getting "that visit". One guy gets investigated, and suddenly everyone who knows him goes paranoid about when it's going to be their turn...and start wondering about what they should be covering up that they might actually get indicted for if they DO get "that visit".

Big shallow pond, wide ripples. It's worth it.

 

[AnonOperations]

It doesn't even require a particular Anon getting "that visit". One guy gets investigated, and suddenly everyone who knows him goes paranoid about when it's going to be their turn...and start wondering about what they should be covering up that they might actually get indicted for if they DO get "that visit".

More like: One guy gets investigated (already happened) - Then people wise up, they check out who is connecting on IRC, they ban Feds, they use secure aliases. They cover their IP and they watch what they admit or talk about if they think it could lead to legal action.

It might be hard for you to believe but some people strongly believe in supporting wikileaks and taking action against censorship. They are not going to give up so easily.

 

[Simriel]

But these numbers are still inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

Who cares? Anons are Anons because it's entertainment, not a mission.

All that needs happen is a number of Anons have the FBI show up on their doorstep. At that point, it stops being fun and becomes a hassle. More Anons go back to trolling and fewer decide to hook up with the activism side, because trolling has less legal baggage attached.

It doesn't even require a particular Anon getting "that visit". One guy gets investigated, and suddenly everyone who knows him goes paranoid about when it's going to be their turn...and start wondering about what they should be covering up that they might actually get indicted for if they DO get "that visit".

Big shallow pond, wide ripples. It's worth it.

But for many the Wikileaks and the protection of freedom of speech IS a mission. FoS is something people have always been willing to stand up for, you would be surprised how many Anons would be willing to do jail time to do their bit to protect it.

 

[Simriel]

News article on HBGary: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...m-tracked-anonymousand-paid-a-heavy-price.ars

The situation got so bad for the security company that HBGary, the company which partially owns HBGary Federal, sent its president Penny Leavy into the Anonymous IRC chat rooms to swim with the sharks?and to beg them to leave her company alone. (Read the bizarre chat log.) Instead, Anonymous suggested that, to avoid more problems, Leavy should fire Barr and "take your investment in aaron's company and donate it to BRADLEY MANNINGS DEFENCE FUND."

From the IRC log:

Penny: in all seriousness, i would really like it if your employee or someone residing on your network stopped trying to attack one of my servers

Penny: I have log-files/proof of a host residing on your network attacking one of my boxes

pawned101 and mib_dp5tx8 as well as I know that the infosecisland's main security researcher == the jester

When this arrogant "security expert" Arron is openly saying he infiltrated anonymous and gained intel of their leaders. Then planned to sell the information to the FBI at the tax payers expense. I think that is grounds for being taught a lesson. I mean, just check his internal emails:

Aaah... Inner circle, key players, high level lieutenants. This made me lol. This company obviously misunderstands the nature of the beast they are fighting.

 

[SimuLord]

I just have four words for you, Mr. Tito (and the entire Escapist news staff

Don't feed the trolls.

 

[Kair]

Dont this people have anything better to do? If they used all that time and energy on legal things they could make lots of money.

Money is opium for the ignorant. Far more intelligent people do far more for much less.

 

[theultimateend]

Except these aren't talented individuals. These are not the hackers that danced around the FBI 20 years ago. These are script kiddies, and one guy who was able to spoof an email. That isn't a job qualification for the FBI.

Well then find the folks who wrote the scripts and hire them .

At some point we are going to find someone talented.

I will remain in my stance, if you can use a tool well enough then you are talented. I wouldn't call a carpenter a child because he uses a hammer instead of his fist.

This is big news:
As some of you know, some Bank of America leaks are soon to be coming out. Anonymous uncovers proposed systematic attacks on Wikileaks. Bank of America attempts to hire firms to attack Wikileaks.

Anyone want to comment on my post about this on page 19?

Judging from how many college kids I watched lose lots of money I'd say this is the least douche bag thing they've done in years .

Bank of America is ironically named because their interests almost always are inverse to those of the American's they watch over.

 

[Calbeck]

But for many the Wikileaks and the protection of freedom of speech IS a mission.

You forget: Anon is not about activism. It's about trolling for the lulz. It proudly represents itself as "the Internet hate machine". Where it's BEEN activist in the past has been where trolling for the lulz was both legal and at least somewhat effective (see: Scientology, etcetera).

Thus, most Anons are not going to stick their heads into an actual fire; that's not entertainment. In fact, getting "the visit" or even getting sent to jail is likely to make them lulzworthy for other Anons, which is something they'll want to avoid like the plague.

A few Anons are hard-core in their beliefs, passionate enough to defend them, and tech-savvy enough to make tracking them down difficult, and these are the ones who will be on the front line against the FBI. But Anonymous relies on being a mass movement to actually accomplish anything. Frankly, I can't think of a better way for Anonymous to commit suicide as a movement than to completely blow out its reason for existence (lulz) in order to commit crimes that could actually land Anons in the same cell as Jailboy Bubba (not-lulz).

It's also going to end up destroying the myth that being an Anon makes a person somehow untraceable even if they never do anything to protect their identity (as most Anons don't actually bother to do). Individuals who get trolled, and even corporations who get DDoSed, don't have the resources or lasting interest to go after Anons, either to identify or prosecute.

But the Feds have been humiliated, they want Assange, they have billions to spend on law enforcement, they OWN the courts, and Anonymous just flicked them behind the ear hard enough to get their attention.

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.

 

[AnonOperations]

But for many the Wikileaks and the protection of freedom of speech IS a mission.

You forget: Anon is not about activism. It's about trolling for the lulz. It proudly represents itself as "the Internet hate machine". Where it's BEEN activist in the past has been where trolling for the lulz was both legal and at least somewhat effective (see: Scientology, etcetera).

Anonymous is no longer merely a hate machine, Anonymous is an independant entity with its own goals outside of restrictive political procedure.

reddit: First you've got the 4chan Anonymous. They're like /r/f7u12, /r/atheism, and /r/circlejerk combined with the moral compass of any other hivemind. They're mainly trolls, not harmless but not vicious unless you do something to really piss them off. Their raids are more for fun and on an individual level (Habbo Hotel, that teacher who was a financial dominatrix, the cat abusers, etc).

Then you've got the (AnonOps) Anonymous. They're more focused on political issues, not conservative but fans of individual freedom and transparency of government. They're not exactly well-organised but when they latch onto an issue they go for the throat until it becomes boring. They're still trolls, but they're trolls with botnets.

Sure there's bleedover, but the latter has a different air to it.

 

[Simriel]

But for many the Wikileaks and the protection of freedom of speech IS a mission.

You forget: Anon is not about activism. It's about trolling for the lulz. It proudly represents itself as "the Internet hate machine". Where it's BEEN activist in the past has been where trolling for the lulz was both legal and at least somewhat effective (see: Scientology, etcetera).

Thus, most Anons are not going to stick their heads into an actual fire; that's not entertainment. In fact, getting "the visit" or even getting sent to jail is likely to make them lulzworthy for other Anons, which is something they'll want to avoid like the plague.

A few Anons are hard-core in their beliefs, passionate enough to defend them, and tech-savvy enough to make tracking them down difficult, and these are the ones who will be on the front line against the FBI. But Anonymous relies on being a mass movement to actually accomplish anything. Frankly, I can't think of a better way for Anonymous to commit suicide as a movement than to completely blow out its reason for existence (lulz) in order to commit crimes that could actually land Anons in the same cell as Jailboy Bubba (not-lulz).

It's also going to end up destroying the myth that being an Anon makes a person somehow untraceable even if they never do anything to protect their identity (as most Anons don't actually bother to do). Individuals who get trolled, and even corporations who get DDoSed, don't have the resources or lasting interest to go after Anons, either to identify or prosecute.

But the Feds have been humiliated, they want Assange, they have billions to spend on law enforcement, they OWN the courts, and Anonymous just flicked them behind the ear hard enough to get their attention.

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.

I would reply but h264 has already said all I was going to.

 

[Simriel]

But for many the Wikileaks and the protection of freedom of speech IS a mission.

You forget: Anon is not about activism. It's about trolling for the lulz. It proudly represents itself as "the Internet hate machine". Where it's BEEN activist in the past has been where trolling for the lulz was both legal and at least somewhat effective (see: Scientology, etcetera).

Anonymous is no longer merely a hate machine, Anonymous is an independant entity with its own goals outside of restrictive political procedure.

reddit: First you've got the 4chan Anonymous. They're like /r/f7u12, /r/atheism, and /r/circlejerk combined with the moral compass of any other hivemind. They're mainly trolls, not harmless but not vicious unless you do something to really piss them off. Their raids are more for fun and on an individual level (Habbo Hotel, that teacher who was a financial dominatrix, the cat abusers, etc).

Then you've got the (AnonOps) Anonymous. They're more focused on political issues, not conservative but fans of individual freedom and transparency of government. They're not exactly well-organised but when they latch onto an issue they go for the throat until it becomes boring. They're still trolls, but they're trolls with botnets.

Sure there's bleedover, but the latter has a different air to it.

Couldn't have put it better myself sir.

 

[STE3L]

You're making a huge mistake in taking on Anonymous. Anonymous can bring corporations and governments to their knees if they want to. They have no leaders, they have no official structure, they just are. They are simply a force of nature, and try as you might, you can't beat nature. You can hold it back, guard against it, but in the end, it always wins. To quote Three Dog quoting Mr. Universe, "You can't stop the signal."

Dont this people have anything better to do? If they used all that time and energy on legal things they could make lots of money.

wow anonymous really needs to be taken out there too dangerous and too good at what they do

Agreed. 'Anonymous' are really just criminals who use ID theft to fund their crimes. Calling themselves 'heroes' is insulting to anybody who works for a living.

Calling them heroes is wrong, sure, but they aren't villains. They are neither good nor evil. As I said before, they're more a force of nature.

"fight the river and you will drown"

 

[STE3L]

You're making a huge mistake in taking on Anonymous. Anonymous can bring corporations and governments to their knees if they want to. They have no leaders, they have no official structure, they just are. They are simply a force of nature, and try as you might, you can't beat nature. You can hold it back, guard against it, but in the end, it always wins. To quote Three Dog quoting Mr. Universe, "You can't stop the signal."

Dont this people have anything better to do? If they used all that time and energy on legal things they could make lots of money.

wow anonymous really needs to be taken out there too dangerous and too good at what they do

Agreed. 'Anonymous' are really just criminals who use ID theft to fund their crimes. Calling themselves 'heroes' is insulting to anybody who works for a living.

Calling them heroes is wrong, sure, but they aren't villains. They are neither good nor evil. As I said before, they're more a force of nature.

"fight the river and you will drown"

Not sure where the quote comes from, but yeah, basically.

think i first herd it from the truth (GTA; SA)